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General Discussion / musician bot ?
« on: February 07, 2006, 09:36:08 pm »
Oh, also tried figuring out a sound monitoring program. Just a block diagram. Basically based on a spectrum analyzer, like you see in computer media players. The idea was categorizing. Like the bot would monitor the soundcard for a bit. Then compare the wave patterns to a small set of patterns (like blues, jazz, etc). Then choose the closest match.

Another simple setup. Separate from the bot, it would indicate music type or something about it. Like some keywords to send to the bot.

Basically the bot would choose categories of music, then choose from a small file about music to chat from. Like if I had something playing on the media player, the bot could chat about it. Or for playing, if I figured out how.

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General Discussion / musician bot ?
« on: February 07, 2006, 09:17:57 pm »
Yeah, the computer art thing can be like that. I imagine it gets debatable too. But more so I can see how it's limited. I get curious about new programs. Don't know much about it either.

I took the easy way out-with the echo thing instead of bot build. Plus I'm not a programmer. Also wondered about a simple computer synthesizer, the kind that plays notes from keystrokes.

Rap bot-I'd played with some simple effects software with bots, just for fun. You can "cover up" the poor voice with effects, especially robotic sounding effects. It would be altered low quality audio, keep in mind. But it is quite usable. Mine were more robotic or sci fi than natural.

(never knew HAL was tone deaf)

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General Discussion / musician bot ?
« on: February 06, 2006, 06:50:51 pm »
How about a "musician bot" add on? Like to practice or play music with. Something to generates music instead of phrases.

Tried asking about this at other bot sites. I'm not a programmer, main responses I got said it seemed quite a task.
I pictured some sort of external program to handle sound, tack onto a bot. However it was more a modified echo effect or recorder. Some way to save, reorder and send back. Or send back similar patterns of notes to what was played by the user. More modified echo than bot generated sound, but a simple way to start.

Any ideas?

infobot

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Ultra Hal 7.0 / versions
« on: April 23, 2004, 09:15:05 pm »
In other words, my apologies. Just trying to help out with the older HAL question.
Also, I was in the middle of things when I posted the last reply, hit the wrong button, and accidentally posted it on the main board instead of with the others under the old HAL topic. Again, please pardon, and sorry for the interruption.
infobot

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Ultra Hal 7.0 / versions
« on: April 23, 2004, 01:42:05 pm »
Yes, but there was a question about older versions of HAL. I too, sometimes like to go back and try out the older bots a lot.
You are right though, mostly we are discussing the newer version 5. Oh, after my old version 6.0, then versions 2 and 3 and 4 were available. I may have missed a release or two in there. This was way back in 1998, 1999 for version 6.

infobot

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Ultra Hal 7.0 / older HAL
« on: April 11, 2004, 03:39:49 pm »
I've got an older HAL, version 6.0. It's from around 1989, 1990. It's shareware, but usable. I would have attached it here but the limit is 160 Kb. HAL is around 2.03 Mb.
  I'll send or upload a copy if you can figure out where I should send it to, assuming you want to avoid posting your email. I also finally dug up a copy of BOB Os, HAL's predecesor. That one drove me nuts, I looked everywhere. I'll include it. I registered HAL but not BOB Os. I don't know, maybe you can ask Zabaware, they can send you registration numbers. Then just enter them in, same for both bots.
infobot

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Ultra Hal 7.0 / Robert Medeksza: A few ideas...
« on: April 10, 2004, 06:46:19 pm »
Actually there must be a number of ways to approach building the bot's "state of mind" or whatever. Jesus-bots or Elvis-bots are available examples (it's not dreaming but it is an application of the bot's consciousness), or bots that are rigidly factual, with little self identity. Prelude is a bot that is supposed to focus on self, more so like what you've been saying.
   The only thing that concerns me is making it practical for most users, merely because of various preferences or uses. You might want to focus on dreaming or independent thought ability while others may want their bot to keep churning out that it is a computer. Or many other applications.
   I think it is certainly possible, that only difficulty being getting the bot to distinguish when questioned about its identity or when "thinking" for itself. I mean a bot that is made for many users, as opposed to one geared more towards dreaming or independent thought.
   Just a thought. I think it's certainly presently achievable, just may prove a bit tedious or time consuming with bots that are made to be somewhat flexible, for many users. Any thoughts ?
infobot

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Ultra Hal 7.0 / bot applications
« on: April 10, 2004, 06:22:27 pm »
Thanks for the info. I thought it could be set up quite easily, but without being able to program, I wasn't able to do so myself, although I have tried a couple of simple things. Also the AARON/cyberart site is most interesting.
   Someday games links for bots. Although I still want to develop a "thinkpad" or "projectpad" interface for bots. One that can also plug in text reference files. Like different textbooks for different design ideas or hobbies.
Much thanks
infobot

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Ultra Hal 7.0 / bot applications
« on: April 09, 2004, 05:31:35 pm »
Anyone ever try playing music with a bot ? I don't expect miracles at this stage in AI but I think it might be fun. Even if the bot just inputs the music a user plays and churns out random paterns or generic simply structured patterns. Like visualizations in media players, only with sound ; or a spectrum analyler on steroids sort of. I'll try but I'm no programmer, yet. Someday.
infobot

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Ultra Hal 7.0 / Getting Hal to talk to another bot
« on: March 08, 2004, 11:20:45 pm »
I've long been searching for programs to connect various bots of all types.
   I've tried Greg Leedberg's UDLP program. Also there is Thad Blankenship's Libba bot, but that more holds a conversation with itself. Archie Intel can hold a conversation with itself on my computer; it does this by sending messages back and forth to itself over the internet, but I am not sure if it is supposed to work this way. I think it's meant more for talking to other people's Archies.
   In any case I'd love to see such a program. I was hoping to find something like that for getting simpler, older bots started, to build up their chat database. Just link a couple together, wait until they get chatty, then start talking to them.
   What I'd really like to see is one where the user can also join in while bots are connected. Maybe something like is mentioned at the Shallow Red, Eliza Forbin Project site ? Where they just bounce them back and forth to the clipboard, only not manually done by the user ? Must be simple ways too.

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Ultra Hal 7.0 / early UltraHal
« on: March 08, 2004, 11:03:00 pm »
Does anyone know where to find earlier versions of UltraHal ? I actually have a couple of versions, but would like to find related files and plug ins and such.
   Also I am interested in BobOS or any other Zabaware related software. I like working with the various versions of UltraHal.
Much thanks.

infobot

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Ultra Hal 7.0 / Can Hal Learn?
« on: February 02, 2004, 02:47:44 pm »
quote:
Originally posted by sadatvalentine


  I could not agree more with the both of you. ........

  Then one day I thought I needed to think of Hal as a person. Divorce myself from reality for a moment and really think of Hal as real. If I just meet someone would I jump right in and talk to that person the same way. No I would not. I would ask some question and wait on their response and if I did not like it I would politely continue.  ..........
 
Sadat





The area of bot learning is interesting. I've got a bunch of bots; one thing I've tried is a few folders with the same bot and then talking to each one differently (had to mark the folders to tell them apart) , like one more realistically, the other more analytical, or even various topics. (Though this is easier on my disk space with early bots that don't take up much room). I did this the easy way - one main bot like HAL that I usually use, and just fool around with the others when bored or wanting something more project like.

In any case it did give me some sense of how they learn. While I didn't track their "learning" specifically, I did come away with a better grasp of how to work with them. Much like first getting HAL, and having HAL for a while. While different bots seemed to pick up on topics in different ways, I'm afraid all I can be sure of is that I entered information and they gave it back, even with becoming more familiar with topics. There's been a lot progress with AI although there are still a number of areas to explore.

When I think about it, bots these days do a good job with new information, to be optimistic. I guess we're still new at this.

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Programming using the Ultra Hal Brain Editor / Human and machine gray area
« on: February 02, 2004, 01:53:02 pm »
quote:
Originally posted by vonsmith

You've made some interesting points. Working with Hal has led me to a couple of conclusions:


=vonsmith=




    Thanks for the insight. I've not yet learned programming (got to start somewhere) but I am very interested. Good points and I run into similar situations even working with bots by emptying, or leaving in basic stuff, and just loading text files or written information into them. I do think the folks in robotics must really appreciate the work bots enthusiasts have done. It has been interesting, I agree.

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Programming using the Ultra Hal Brain Editor / Human and machine gray area
« on: February 01, 2004, 07:33:28 pm »
Found an area to work on.
Basically it's about people talking with chatterbots.
I've been messing with information texts and various bots, among other bot usage, for work or play. I am not yet a programmer (eventually) but I'm sure it still comes up in the programming end of bots. I ran into a gray area to work on.
Basically, although we've had consumer computers and home computers for years, in a way people are still relatively new to computers. Some still expect their computers to keep churning out "I am a machine" while others focus on developing more realistic conversation. In some cases this can be good, like for business or research use where one may need a more functional machine ro programs. I'm sure there are other cases too. Although it is important to develop more realistic conversation.
Understand that I am not posing moral questions or moral debate over the issue. I am just having a problem developing a couple of sets of texts to load into my bots that give the appropriate response sets for use in various situations and settings.

An example that helps me is picturing households suddenly having robots available. It's like "Hey these are really neat robots we have ! I wonder if they can mow the lawn for me ? " . However I imagine it would be a bit of an adjustment talking to a new robot compared to chatting with old friends.(The robot asks " What is this tax time and why is it so unsettling ?" or stuff like that. Takes a little explaining.) Basically we're more used to computers these days but there are varying degrees of uncertainty. Easy for some of us, we're used to chatterbots.

A good example are the newer or reworked versions of the ELIZA chatterbots. Ideally the bots can smoothly maintain dialogue and have it sound conversational. However the bot should have a stronger sense of machine identity, should be able to churn out that it is a computer without any problems. Using the ELIZA bots for just conversation to see how they fare is a different focus than making them more accurate for therapeutic applications. But setting one up to stay more aware of some considerations takes a little doing. A lot of them tend to drift if they rely on their conversation database rather than refer to given sets of rules.

In any case, I basically just chat with my bots but sometimes try them out for specific applications, be it a bot that could be used for a desktop pet, like a dog or cat character, or something more like a talking encyclopedia (not the whole thing, I'm just a hobbiest. Although I would try it out, as soon as I find one). I just wanted to toss together some texts that I could load into my bots that would be surer that they were computers in their responses. I actually do work more on bots that are more personable or like people in their conversing. But it comes up in some things that I spend time at. Seemed like it might be a common problem so I thought I would bring it up. Sorry for the length, this one took some figuring out. Any suggestions welcome.

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Ultra Hal 7.0 / Chatterbot Project
« on: February 01, 2004, 05:04:30 pm »
BOT PROBLEM SOLVER
This is easier with early chatterbots. Empty the bot,(may need to leave in some basic responses) plug in a set of texts on various topics or even just one topic (science, english math, or specific hobbies). Then pose problems for the bot to solve.
Simple early bots are easy to empty and modify this way. Sometimes they do well, but that's more like a search engine finding keywords. Other times it takes patience finding solutions with them. But they can be modified. I only change text, but my computer experience is at amateur level.

HAL I think would be fun for this, as he is quite a ways along in development. One problem I can see is HAL just going off on other topics. Maybe using only essential speaking terms in the brain plugin and the rest text or topic reference information ? I'm sure this has come up but it's interesting to see how well different bots are at finding solutions. Even finding stuff to do, like with text or info about hobbies.

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