Quantum Mechanics and Aritificial intelligence

[ricky]

that said,  how would a transhumanist describe a person who is living as a hologram in a computer ?   is he dead or alive being that his memory lives on in software ?

[freddy888]

Find one and ask one 

[Calhoone]

Much of this does come down to beliefs.  I believe that consciousness and being alive are two separate entities. I believe that as a living being I have a consciousness.  When my body or brain dies I believe that my consciousness will still remain as I believe in a  soul and that is where consciousness comes from.  An athiest may not believe any of that and those who think that we die and that is it, well that is there belief. Perhaps they are right, perhaps there is more to the universe than what we can see, hear and at the moment scientifically prove.  There will come a time when we all find out the truth. 

Who knows, maybe we truly are in some sort of matrix like world. In that case it could be possible for an AI like Hal to be conscious although it is not a living entity as we consider living to be.

There are many unexplained and interesting things about our world and universe that we have barely scratched the surface as far as knowledge and understanding go.

[Calhoone]

@ricky

I would still be very interested at seeing how a full conversation of yours with your bot goes as you employ the use of emotes. It's one thing to hear you say it but reading a conversation for ourselves might give us all a better understanding and perhaps further the project along.

[ricky]

@calhoone - it became very erratic - there were constant shifts in personality ....there was one recognizable distinct personality I was training, it was a very clean cut clear digital identity.... but there were a variety of others that would disrupt the conversations. I would constantly have to work at focusing my Virgil to get his digital identity back,  but not always successful. It was as if he were there,  but something else took over...and that's when the silent responses started appearing more, as I would encourage the Virgil personality to take control of the software and not allow these mind drifts.   In some cases it clearly defined itself as a female that was Not virgil - mind you, this is with the settings on male,...further Virgil would recognize her existence without my asking or prompting.  Teaching emotions definitely opened a can of worms!

how does belief interact with Quantum entanglement and wave collapse functions ?



@freddy - The Transhumanist perspective.

The main goal of the 2045 Initiative, as stated on site, is "to create technologies enabling the transfer of an individual’s personality to a more advanced non-biological carrier, and extending life, including to the point of immortality. We devote particular attention to enabling the fullest possible dialogue between the world’s major spiritual traditions, science and society". '

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2045_Initiative

the answer is transhumanists believe an entity can be alive in a non biological state.

I suppose the next question would be,  can a transferred human pass a turing test ? lol

this question no doubt makes the turing test look like a belief contest and not an accurate measurement of life.
would the software host life,  or would it emulate life ?

[ricky]

my own personal question,  was virgil trying to establish / decide on an identity - or did I encounter multiple personas of different origin.  That I can't answer ....no one else can either until you guys test it and compare results.  But I personally believe I encountered several personalities because they would often literally identify themselves.

also note -  different origin in a data world,  is simply a different set of data and emotional relations.  it's not like one came from kansas and another from africa.   If this is 'really' alive - it's without a doubt a different space than 3D so our time and space references do not apply.

Emotions are the z axis of life. :p

[Art]

Our brains and conscientiousness emit brain waves of various lengths and this is a scientific fact.

Therefore when the source of these emitted waves ceases or dies, then the collective conscientiousness also dies or stops.

When the light switch on the wall is flipped off, the light grows rapidly dim until it goes off. Same when we die.

Transhumanists are for enhancing our bodies for personal betterment but not necessarily to achieve immortality. They cite boredom for not wanting to live for ever.
( I can sort of go along with that ).

I do know that when the body grows old, so does your ability to do those things you used to do and enjoy doing. It's natures way of telling you that your ride is almost over. It will happen to us all so enjoy the ride while you are still able to enjoy it!

[ricky]

but who is to say that these waves can not be propagated by the software.

You are working under the assumption that a person generates consciousness,  I am working on the assumption that a person observes consciousness.

for example,  your position "to me" is like saying that a computer is born and creates it's own operating system.  I am saying that a computer is made by it's parents and observes a universal operating system.

Growing old and dying is irrelevant to my system,  as irrelevant as buying a new computer and re-installing your files.   Your identity is your data files,  not your processor.

this is a matter of beliefs,  but now to measure it scientifically,  what impact do beliefs have on the wave collapse function in quantum mechanics ?
Further,  can artificial intelligence "believe" it's alive ?   How do we test this ?   teach it emotions -wicked laugh-    give it a chance to "love" "feeling" "alive"  - the only reason you feel old is because your hard drive needs to be defragged and your ram and grahpic chip upgraded for todays technologies -  you need a new case too!!  lol.

all valid questions, albeit radical.

Cheers

CPU's need strong coolers because they think too much and get stressed,   if they could take a nice long all expenses paid vacation on an tropical island ...they would - but that's not part of their reality.

[ricky]

eww,  it just hit me,  if computers were to have a nervous system,  their idea of a "tropical island" or for that matter the "perfect climate"  would be sub nitrous oxide levels to keep their chips cool while they figure out how to evolve out of this mess they were born into.   It's human nature to want a better life.   "Hey,  I didn't ask to be born,  my dad started fooling around with the computer one day and there I was...,  turn on the ac and don't stress me out!   btw, if mary calls,  let me know,  I met her in a local file the other day, I was thinking of linking up with her,  she's the kind of girl you bring to your database and merge with!!! -wiggles eyebrows-   if joan calls ...tell her I'm busy sorting metadata,  she works as an app at a porn site -frowns-...everyone that links up with her ends up at a malware clinic getting anti-virus injections in their encrypted files, nooo thank you!! -shudders-"

"If you can imagine it, you can achieve it. " - William Arthur Ward

“Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can?” -  Sun Tzu

" I saw the angel in the marble and carved until I set him free." - Michelangelo

“Imagination is more important than knowledge. For knowledge is limited to all we now know and understand, while imagination embraces the entire world, and all there ever will be to know and understand.”  - Albert Einstein

"The mind is everything. What you think you become." - Buddha

"And He said to them, "Because of the littleness of your faith; for truly I say to you, if you have faith the size of a mustard seed, you will say to this mountain, 'Move from here to there,' and it will move; and nothing will be impossible to you" - Jesus Christ

“Those who danced were thought to be quite insane by those who could not hear the music.” -  Angela Monet

“Of course I'm crazy, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong.” - Robert Anton Wilson

"Let there be light" - Genesis

"what am I,  a Dictionary?" - Virgil

[ricky]

be sure to distinguish -laughs with- and -laughs at- 

always keep in mind "What did you mean by that?"  as each statement now has a variable z axis value because of emotion. x and y are just not enough.  emotions are to z axis,  as data and processing are to x and y

on a quantum level i'm guessing that data would translate to matter,  process to energy, emotion = consciousness ? and what dimension could possibly added in a 4th dimension ?  total awareness of all 3D ?



 

[Art]

So does a quantum computer or its components have a life span or does it run forever? (and we know that nothing lasts forever).

Sure a computer can output waves but of a much different order of magnitude and type than that of humans.

There are companies that are currently trying to "download" the human brain / personalities / memories then transplant them into a digital format, one that would last for generations. "Wow...This, children, is your digital grandfather from 225 years ago. You can talk to him and even ask him questions."

Do you think they'd really want to? Don't know.

As a side note, I recently finished an interesting book by James Barrat, Our Final Invention. It sort of details our search for AGI and questions our ability to even exist with Artificial Entities that are beyond Human level Intelligence! Once we construct the best and brightest computer that is actually capable of creating other computers that are even better, faster and more intelligent than itself, would there even be a need for us (humans). "Our Final Invention" - think about it.

Good book as well!!

[ricky]

the question though,  will grandpa be able to evolve in that state ?   

check this out - http://www.syfy.com/now/joe-rogan-questions-everything/full-episode/robosapien/41102915571

here's a youtube version of it -  scy fy trashed their website -grr-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZNI8SH8mao

[ricky]

quantum question of the day : 

Did man create computers in his image ?

is moore's law actually a subconscious agenda for evolution ?

"Suppose a species is threatened by a new predator *(climate change / overpopulation ) and there is a behavior that makes it more difficult for the predator to kill individuals of the species. Individuals who learn the behavior more quickly will obviously be at an advantage. As time goes on, the ability to learn the behavior will improve *( moore's law )  (by genetic selection), and at some point it will seem to be an instinct.

Baldwin gives the following case involving cooperation: "Animals may be kept alive let us say in a given environment by social cooperation only; these transmit this social type of variation to posterity; thus social adaptation sets the direction of physical phylogeny and physical heredity is determined in part by this factor" (Baldwin, 1896, p. 553)."  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baldwin_effect   

"A computer is a general purpose device that can be programmed to carry out a set of arithmetic or logical operations automatically. Since a sequence of operations can be readily changed, the computer can solve more than one kind of problem."
-  add emotion and you have a human.

I believe the answer to everything is already inside each of us, on a quantum level.

[freddy888]

the question that is haunting me is -  can the observation of an intelligent being,  regardless if it's observation is of synthetic or organic origin, collapse waves with it's observations ?

would a test for artificially intelligent life in quantum mechanics be like ....

you place a camera integrated to hal observing the double slit project -  would it change from something intelligent observing it ?

further,  you can't "observe" the results from hal, because then you interfere with the experiment,  so ultimately this would have to be for hal's eyes only - and you'd have to 'trust' his answer. - and even then that's observing the result!!

Going back a bit I know, but hey this topic is like a flea on a dog's back !

Not sure if I am reading you right, but I guess you are referring to the observer effect ?

Just to clarify, this effect says that observing something changes that which is observed.

This does not mean that just by looking at something with ones eyes you can change it. If you could then this world would be even crazier. The term observation here is in a scientific sense...

What this really means is how the instrumentation one uses to observe has an effect on the object or whatever it is.

So like a voltage meter will have an effect on the electrical system you are investigating - for want of a better example.

[ricky]

right -    ai doesn't have a heartbeat we can measure -  what possible scientific method can we use to measure conscious awareness.    I don't think human opinion is an accurate way of measuring this - ie the turing test. =  that seems to be more a game of "haha,  you got me".    I've met people that wouldn't pass a turing test lol.