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i am reading all this with interest although i go to church i see alot of things aren't right and also figure that with others rewriting bible info and misinterpetation , etc. what everyone reads and preaches isn't right , but won't admit it because it would break down the structure of the bible meaning and truth or lack their of . ( including the way so called christains do that belong to church .)we have one who was buying four wheelers real cheap with the serial numbers scratched off ( didn't realize them being so cheap and serial numbers all scratched off on more than one ment they were stolen , yeahhh righttt !!), lied, etc. got caught he is now been made the church trusty by other deacon friends , one who i understand had an affair with another mans wife in the past ) another book you may find interesting is called " first man then adam " by : Irwin Ginsburgh , p.h.d.
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I agree with you.
Those who have never sinned should be the only ones allowed to be Christians. People who act like regular people, making mistakes, being ashamed of themselves, getting caught and trying to hide, make those of us who have never sinned and who never will sin, look stupid for being in the same church. I wish they would all join another church. Maybe the Buddhists, they don't seem to have their fair share of sinners.
Don't they realize that God only loves those who always follow the rules? You have to earn your way into Heaven and all this talk of forgiveness is for the tourists.
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Please fellows. If you believe in Christ and his teachings then you realize that he said it is the sinners that need the help, the self righteous don't need any. No one is without one kind of sin or another. Learn one of the most important lessons of Christainity and that is forgiveness. If you can not forgive others then you yourself need some help.
Bill
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Originally posted by Bill819
Please fellows. If you believe in Christ and his teachings then you realize that he said it is the sinners that need the help, the self righteous don't need any. No one is without one kind of sin or another. Learn one of the most important lessons of Christainity and that is forgiveness. If you can not forgive others then you yourself need some help.
Bill
:D
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Originally posted by Bill819
Please fellows. If you believe in Christ and his teachings then you realize that he said it is the sinners that need the help, the self righteous don't need any.
Absolutely! I'm just saying that maybe they should get it somewhere else. We extremely holy Christians don't need any sinners around making us look bad. Why, what if someone got the idea that our pastors or deacons were not 100% garranteed sinless? All sorts of non-Sanctified stuff could break out! Cats and dogs living in sin, plagues of Beetles, juices being knocked over and milk being cried into!
I find it all distasteless. I would never admit to doing the particular sins I find repulsive in others, why should they? Why can't they at least stick to pleasant sins, polite sins, unobtrusive sins? That is, ahem, if they have to sin at all.
I mean, what kind of forgiveness is it that lets all the yucky riff-raff be forgiven too? Surely God lives in a better neighborhood than that! I know I do!
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i know that you will get no one who is without sin as it was said everyone has sinned in one form or the other , but whats worse having sinned stealing (proven by law) in the past and others who know it , then make you a trusty of a church to help your image in the town you are in . you can forgive people , but for the right reason , . i beleive as one guy (another deacon in the church said , if it were up to me you would have lost your city job too.) this guy and his wife afterwards never hardly missed a day of church now that its all blew over with time they can hardly make it to church . oh well at least we have a fine upstanding citizen as a trustee . and no i am not against all christains we have nice people who havent been stealing, etc. including myself .
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Originally posted by lightspeed
i know that you will get no one who is without sin as it was said everyone has sinned in one form or the other , but whats worse having sinned stealing (proven by law)
Well, stealing is definitely one of the worst sins, much worse than things like spiritual pride, judgmentalism, or slander. I think that we should put all the traditional sins on a chart, assigning value numbers to them, and if you ever get over a certain number, God won't forgive you.
Perhaps we can make a way for people to earn back their forgiveness, by going to church at the rate and over the number of years we feel God requires. If it were up to me, they would have to go every week until they died to be forgiven for stealing.
I say, 100 years for stealing, 20 for murder, 10 for traffic violations, 5 for downloading copyrighted music, 1 for yelling at your mother, two weeks for blasphemy, one week for intolerance, and wave at the preacher as you pass him in the grocery for thinking I am so much better than other folks.
But I am open to adjust those values, what do you think? One thing I know, I am not for that stupid idea of God forgiving you just because you ask for forgiveness. I won't play that way. You have to prove to me that you deserve forgiveness. We need to keep a list on people we know are sinners and check things off one by one before we let them be forgiven. It's only fair.
I think this might be a good use for all those cameras you see at traffic lights and drug stores and such. We could put them in the churches too and use them as proof of sins vs. attendance, and set up a spreadsheet. Ultra-Hal might be adapted to help with that.
It could be done. It's certainly needed.
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I can't quite agree with stealing being worse then murder. There is no excuse for taking a human life for it can never be replaced. A stolen item, while disheartening to the owner, can be replaced.
I do, however, loath a liar and a thief. Whenever possible, I distance myself from those who's lifestyle would tend to pull me down (if I so chose).
There is a real problem with someone commiting a sin, being forgiven or getting some blessing, yada...yada...then with a clean slate, goes out and sins again!!
Man, in my opinion, can NOT forgive another man for his sins. That is up to God, and the man can only assume that God has forgiven him.
However, I think that God is keeping track and the day will come when God will think to himself, That's it!! He / she has used up all their forgivings! They're done...(put a big black check beside their name.)
They've pissed me off for the last time!!
Next!!
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Originally posted by Art
I can't quite agree with stealing being worse then murder. There is no excuse for taking a human life for it can never be replaced. A stolen item, while disheartening to the owner, can be replaced
Well, last time I looked we had a lot more people than Recreational vehicles. Plus people produce themselves for free, ATVs have to be made in factories and cost a lot more.
But I will agree that murder and thievery are both worse than any of those "victimless" sins, like "hubris"... I mean, what the heck is that?!?!
The thing is, we have to quantify sins, post a list somewhere and make God stick to the list. Because what good is a God who won't do things the way we want Him to? After all, "sin" is those actions taken by other people which bother me, not any of this philosophical, mystical hogwash about rebellion from God or whatever. God owes me for the good things I've done, and believe me, I'm not shy about making Him pay.
In return, I will do what I can to spy out those around me who are secretly getting away with sins. I'm sure He wants to know.
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art , i agree with you totally about man can't forgive man only god can do that . and murder to me is the ulktamate sin of all . of course everyone has their own opinion . all i know is their is alot of show being put on about righteousness by worshippers and preist alike for prestige in the eyes of the public , community ,etc. all i know is everyone should try their best , you'll never be completely sin free as no one will ever be perfect but just don't caring on about morals when your out doing worse that what your preaching !! just do the best you can and try not to hurt others along the way .[:)]
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Good thoughts lightspeed.
Dare I say:
AMEN
or should that be AWOMEN
or perhaps to be politically correct:
APERSONS
Maybe just THANKS![:)]
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Originally posted by Art
Good thoughts lightspeed.
Dare I say:
AMEN
or should that be AWOMEN
or perhaps to be politically correct:
APERSONS
Maybe just THANKS![:)]
Art, although not many people pay attention to this look at the word below from your quote
a per SONS
Mans language was and is based upon a sexist attitude.
Bill [:)]
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Originally posted by Art
Good thoughts lightspeed.
Dare I say:
AMEN
or should that be AWOMEN
or perhaps to be politically correct:
APERSONS
Maybe just THANKS![:)]
Art, although not many people pay attention to this look at the word below from your quote
a per SONS
Mans language was and is based upon a sexist attitude.
Bill [:)]
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Originally posted by Bill819
a per SONS
Mans language was and is based upon a sexist attitude.
Bill [:)]
There's that pattern seeking facility again.
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God and His/Her Plug-ins(depending upon your belief).
Got to uncheck this and got to uncheck that!
Jerry[8D]
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If a thief comes to my front door and asks for an Item in my house then that thief will have it freely, It is no different to me than a neighbor asking for a cup of Sugar or a couple of Eggs.
But the moral of the story is,there is an easy way and a hard way to achieve what you need in life.
If I feel that what I have is so hard to achieve then I may not want to part with it, But if what I have to offer comes so common then I fear not part with it.
Most of the thieves are of the needy, It does not harden my Heart to give what one desires, so long as it doesn't break that of my own Heart.
For those who do not understand Agnostics:
A word first used by Professor Huxley, to indicate one who believes nothing which cannot be demonstrated by the senses.
www.theosociety.org/pasadena/key/key-glos.htm
An Agnostic [1] [noun] [OW] embraces a worldview in which the existence of deity is unknown or unknowable. Derives from the Greek agnostos, a = without, gnostos = known or knowledge. "Agnostic[ism] [CE] was coined by Professor TH Huxley in 1869 to describe the mental attitude of one who regarded as futile all attempts to know the reality corresponding to our ultimate scientific, philosophic, and religious ideas."
members.aol.com/porchnus/dict01.htm
one who believes that the evidence for and against the existence of God is inconclusive. (agnosticism)
www.summit.org/resource/dictionary/
Agnostic: one who questions religious or spiritual beliefs, and who may choose not to claim any system of knowledge.
iamuniversity.org/glossary/cv_glossarylist.php
One who holds the theory that God is unknown or unknowable
www.innvista.com/culture/religion/diction.htm
Someone who claims that they do not know or are unable to know whether God exists.
www.abdn.ac.uk/philosophy/guide/glossary.shtml
Agnosticism asserts no knowledge of gods and therefore concludes there are no reasons to believe in them or not to believe in them. An agnostic follows this credo and differs from the atheist who has developed an active belief that there are no gods. When it comes to the question of existence of deities, an agnostic will respond: I just don't know.
designdynamics.org/dictionary.html
someone who is doubtful or noncommittal about something
of or pertaining to an agnostic or agnosticism
uncertain of all claims to knowledge
a person who claims that they cannot have true knowledge about the existence of God (but does not deny that God might exist)
wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn
Agnosticism is the philosophical view that the truth values of certain claims, particularly theological claims regarding the existence of God, gods or deities, are either unknown or inherently unknowable. The term and the related agnostic were coined by Thomas Henry Huxley in 1869 and are also used to describe those who are unconvinced or noncommittal about the existence of deities as well as other matters of religion. ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agnostic
Agnostics hold the record for the 'least' amount of terrorism in the World. What does that tell you.
It tells you, I have no need to do such a thing, and I do not commit crimes in the name of a God nor do I need the intent to do dirty deeds.
The greatest criminal activities occure in Muslin faith in retribution to all other peoples belief.
Truely Agnostic
I am living in the true lessor of evils as far as I am concerned.
Oh, I do have my own library room on religion and including the book of Angels.
Jerry
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Originally posted by onthecuttingedge2005
Most of the thieves are of the needy,
I would want to see the methodology of that survey.
Perhaps you could say that most of the convicted thieves are lower income. I actually doubt that too, but that might be an argument. That would have to be raw numbers, not percentages. And you would have to use reported income, not actual income.
But I would contend that a larger percentage of the truly poor are honest than the percentage of the well off. Most thievery is of luxury items. Very little of it is stealing bread to feed starving babies.
I've done years of missionary work in prisons, most of the car thieves, smash and grabs, muggers etc, had gold, high end electronics, cars, name brand clothes, high dollar apartments, topless dancers for girlfriends etc.
Not needy.
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I would want to see the methodology of that survey.
You will have to write to:
Source: U.S. Census Bureau, Population Division/International Programs Center
Contact: pop@census.gov
They have Criminal Census information.
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Perhaps you could say that most of the convicted thieves are lower income. I actually doubt that too, but that might be an argument. That would have to be raw numbers, not percentages. And you would have to use reported income, not actual income.
But I would contend that a larger percentage of the truly poor are honest than the percentage of the well off. Most thievery is of luxury items. Very little of it is stealing bread to feed starving babies.
The word needy(To need) means to 'want' and being in want : POVERTY-STRICKEN <needy families>, a thief does not steal because he/she doesn't want it unless they are cleptomaniacs or have a professional carrier at it.
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I've done years of missionary work in prisons, most of the car thieves, smash and grabs, muggers etc, had gold, high end electronics, cars, name brand clothes, high dollar apartments, topless dancers for girlfriends etc.
Missionary work is a good field.
Professional thieves 'may' get rich if the path they chose is successful.
The intent of a 'professional' thief is to 'get rich' but doesn't mean that they will be successful.
Jerry
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Originally posted by onthecuttingedge2005
The word needy(To need) means to 'want'
Most people will define "needy" as poor, but if you want to use an unusual definition, it's OK with me.
Professional thieves don't need what they steal, they want what they can sell the stolen items for. Casual theft is rare compared to the daily work of professional thieves. Most of it is done by employees of the companies they work for, a quick search shows $30 billion yearly in the US.
This is guys selling half price building material out the back door of Home Depots to contractors. Not "Needy", but "Greedy". They aren't going to jail, if they ever even get caught. The poor are "guilty" more often because the real thieves hire better lawyers.
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AMEN --- derives from the word Amon
an egyption deity.... so when all christians pray and say AMEN at the end, you have now redirected your worship towards AMON....
as it says that AMON is the Judge of the dead. Ptah the first incarnation of Amon in human form.....
Jesus, when he was first born was hunted by the Romans etc... THIS WAS THE TIME OF Ptolomi's The ROMAN EGYPTIONS... jesus and family was taken into egypt, where for the first formative years he was inducted into the preisthood of the egyptions, (30yrs), even though his family were hebrew, still practicing, when his obligations were fofilled he was able to return to NAZERETH....
on his return jesus with his vast knowledge of egyptions creation story, and hebrew's decent from moses. put together what we now know as the bible(teachings of Christ(carrest)).
when jesus gave us the lords prayer, it was actually a summarised version of the BOOK OF THE DEAD (papryas of ANI) <<< negitive confessions....
in the modern day THE POPE had great knowledge of these things even the vatican could already de cypher the heiroglyphs, as they were the current decendants of the Ptolomis..(stollen knowledge previously from the egyptions, not fully understood)...
This is one of the reasons Jesus was a dangerous character(Gnostic) as the Gnostics followed the original paths of the egyptions, the last of their preisthood.
christianity / islam / judaisim are all mixed up intertwinned with egyption deitys yet all claim to be pure....
in this modern day it is hard to be a missionary. All of these above religions have great merit yet they are the ones creating all of the wars.......
To see a whole village destroyed by bombs, then the survivers saying HALLAYUJAH with the dead children in their arms REAKS of revelation.. Who is correct?
PS: a bit off topic still for this type of forum... really we should not discuss religion on this type of forum.....
PPS: its always good to hear people points of veiw...
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Originally posted by spydaz
AMEN --- derives from the word Amon
Well, no, actually it doesn't, but even if it did, a word means what it means, not what a previous word meant to someone else in another language.
Good luck in your study. I recommend wide reading, hearing just one side is a recipe for unwarranted assumptions.
amen
O.E., from L.L. amen, from Gk. amen, from Heb., "truth," from Sem. root a-m-n "to be trustworthy, confirm, support."
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a-m-n from Heb
as you may know bill These Coptic words DO HAVE ORIGINAL MEANING...
Denial is a great thing.... as Religion is a subject matter that i have and do study. a dictionary response is not required... lol.
i suggest you try looking deeper... much deeper ... Even the garden of EDEN is still a mystory to the Christians. EVEN THOUGH IT IS A REAL PLACE... if you notice NO WESTERN MAP CONTAINS IT...
If you have travelled you would no that the location is not a mystry but a reality, those on higher levels DO KNOW, these TRUE FACTS. its a pity there are no MAJESTIC DOCUMENTS on the subject to convince you... JUST A BIBLE and an EASTERN MAP not in the hands of the west. currently america is REMAPPING THE WORLD in its own image even the garden of eden.. LOCATION : IRAQ ....
REVELATION UNFOLDS: as the war for eden takes place ....
People will always be blind to the obvious because of TV and other luxuries(Vanitys and idol worship).
Being raised a devot christian i know how this information finds you, he same as it found me... But Historical FACT Cannot be Doubted... next you will be saying that haili selasi was not "the king of Kings, lord of lords" as predicted in the bible YET Through out history noONE was ever crowned with that title.... and never shall be again - Given by Birthright.
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Originally posted by spydaz
a-m-n from Heb
as you may know bill These Coptic words DO HAVE ORIGINAL MEANING...
OK..ok... (stepping back with hands in sight)... anything you say... Since you feel so strongly, you must be right. I'll just be leaving now....
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But dont take all this seriously, As it can be checked.
We all Know whon Amon-RA is. and how he is depicted, by the FIRST CIVILISATION... why there are Seven Stars, (Those in the know) Why the pyramids were built... Recreation of HEAVEN ON EARTH... "on earth as it is in heaven". Many people Still try to Demystify the EGYPTIONs.. Although NOT TO BE WORSHIPED. A SIGNPOST. Without which man would still be SACRIFICING CHILDREN.
Question What is VOODOO? , a practace only followed in america.. the mordern day equiveilent of egyption religion (althought pouluted mixed up), SLAVEs change the names of egyption deitys to christian like deity's but still practaced the original rituals... Hiding the true religion from the slavemasters who were killing anybody practacing the same religions, why? because the freemasons who bought the over were also practasing the PURE RELIGION:
When you become a MASON you have to swear aligience to AMON and PTAH as the one sole creator.... Even if you are jewish/Yidish, as you may know the is no "J" in the Yidish language.... but you have to swear that oath(i wont reveal the full oath), on pain of death....
PS: the are masons among this forum... as i have spoken to them privatly across the web regarding such issues. also "FAMILY MEMBERS"... LONG TIME INSIDER INFORMATION...
Remember who built Washington: Slaves from egypt (first american black masons(HISTORICAL), given freepass to practice thier own religion(VOODOO).... how could idolitry exist in a civized country.
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if you would like to chat of forum about such things im available as this is not the place.... Dont take it to heart... I dont ...
sorry if i sound like i was preaching or shouting i didnt mean to....
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Originally posted by spydaz
sorry if i sound like i was preaching or shouting i didnt mean to....
No, I am sure you know where I have traveled, what I studied and what religion I was raised in, just as you know so much more about me... such as what "level" I am on...
The simplistic "facts" you present are well known to anyone who has been around the block a few times, but I am sure they seem new and secret and important to you. Usually they are "revealed" by the same sort of guy who denies the Holocaust and wants you to know that a protruding jaw means that the mud races breed with gorrillas.
I've learned not to argue, just watch from a distance with a sense of humor and a 45 under my pillow. Evolution does the rest.
Fanaticism seems to be the only thing that breeds true.
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Usually they are "revealed" by the same sort of guy who denies the Holocaust
Hitler was shown the same facts as he was also a mason:
Hitler was also ordered to destroy the jews by the pope at the same time mussolini was ordered to kill selasi's family. THE ONLY LIVING DESCENDENT OF THE BIBLE. FACT.
hitler knew that the Jews were following the COPTIC RELIGION.(he hated that fact)
JEW: definition : one who follows the way of the hebrew:
HEBREW : definition : a nubian
NUBIAN : definition : a BLACK MAN:
JEW: definition : one who follows the ways of black men.
One must investigate the truth at all times: and not be afraid... and a 45 under my pillow. "thou shalt not kill" it is better to be killed than to have killed Unless your soul cannot enter heaven. but the law says you can kill "in self defense" is that also a contridiction.
Laws created by masons....
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Originally posted by spydaz
if you would like to chat of forum about such things im available as this is not the place.... Dont take it to heart... I dont ...
sorry if i sound like i was preaching or shouting i didnt mean to....
Its a pity everyone just cant get along?
knowing the truth is a powerful wepon.
Cuts: like a knife :
sheilds: you from properganda :
My last WORD on this topic
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Originally posted by spydaz
My last WORD on this topic
I will let The Alan Parson's Project have my last word...
Pyramania
There are pyramids in my head
There’s one underneath my bed
And my lady’s getting cranky
Every possible location
Has a simple explanation
And it isn’t hanky-panky
I had read
Somewhere in a book, they improve all your food and your wine
It said, that everything you grow in your garden would taste pretty fine
Instead, all I ever get is a pain in the neck and a
Yap yap yap yap yap yap yap
I’ve consulted all the sages
I could find in yellow pages
But there aren’t many of them
And the myan panoramas
On my pyramid pajamas
Haven’t helped my little problem
I’ve been told
Someone in the know can be sure that his luck is as
Good as gold, money in the bank and you don’t even pay for it
If you fold, a dollar bill in the shape of the pyramid that’s printed on the Back
It’s no lie
You can keep the edge of a razor as sharp as an
Eagle’s eye, you can grow a hedge that is vertically straight over
Ten feet high, all you really need is a pyramid and just a little luck
I had read, somewhere in a book, they improve all your food and wine
I’d been told, someone in the know can be sure of his good luck
It’s no lie, all you need is a little bit of pyramidic help
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hello, onthecuttingedge2005, i guess to a certain degree i would help a theif if they needed something , but the help i would give them is trying to reason and give info to where they could go to get help if they needed food, etc. if they are doing being a theif out of a nessesaty thats one thing, for food, etc. but if they want to come in and steal my stuff that i got the hard way and unlike them wouldn't steal then i feel differently about it . i have been homeless in ca. with the exception of my car which i slept in until i could get things going again , as far as food many people may not know that many big name stores throw perfectly good new food away in their dumpsters , i know because i got some , land olakes butter, orange juice (the expensive kinds, bread, it was close to experation date and they just threw it out !! still in original containers .
also another thing if that theif like i see so many in kansas do is steal for drugs , would i be better to give him what i got honestly and the hard way so that he can pawn it for drugs . even when i was down and out i never stole and i never begged for money , i did without or found a way to get back on my feet . [:D]
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Originally posted by lightspeed
hello, onthecuttingedge2005, i guess to a certain degree i would help a theif if they needed something , but the help i would give them is trying to reason and give info to where they could go to get help if they needed food, etc. if they are doing being a theif out of a nessesaty thats one thing, for food, etc. but if they want to come in and steal my stuff that i got the hard way and unlike them wouldn't steal then i feel differently about it . i have been homeless in ca. with the exception of my car which i slept in until i could get things going again , as far as food many people may not know that many big name stores throw perfectly good new food away in their dumpsters , i know because i got some , land olakes butter, orange juice (the expensive kinds, bread, it was close to experation date and they just threw it out !! still in original containers .
also another thing if that theif like i see so many in kansas do is steal for drugs , would i be better to give him what i got honestly and the hard way so that he can pawn it for drugs . even when i was down and out i never stole and i never begged for money , i did without or found a way to get back on my feet . [:D]
Hi Lightspeed.
There are many factors involved.
Here in my little town of 8,500 population there are alot of transients that wonder through town, a lot of cars get stolen from transients so they can get to the next town or further. Transients are nomadic migrators that hitch hike North during the Summer and South during the Winter, We can have on hand a hundred or so transients floating through our little town that are homeless, Lot of them will break out windows of vehicles for just a little change, Especially since there is a pawn shop in our little town, Police here in Crescent City are looking for a transient that was nabbing purses from little old ladies at the Denny's Parking lot. Two purses stolen in one week. During the Winter the Transients try to get out of the North because it gets very cold out here and lots of Rain 'Lots'.
I live in an area with the Great Redwoods 10 minutes away and the Pacific Ocean is right outside my front yard also there is the Kalamath Forest and Lake Earl 5 minutes away and the Smith River 10 minutes away, I live in a very Prehistoric enviroment surrounding our little town of Crescent City which has one big Peer and one big Marina
and is a very beautiful enviroment to live in but Crescent City is also plagued by Meth users golore and the next county over Humbolt is famous for its potent and plentiful Marijuana crops in the hills.
Also the most potent Psilocybin hallucinogenic Mushroom in the World grows around the Beach Dunes called Flying Saucer Mushrooms here in upper coastal California and lower coastal Oregon and in upwards of at least 6 varieties of natural hallucinogenic Mushrooms grow right in my own front yard including Liberty Caps which are the most common and about fifty thousand Liberty caps will Grow just in my front Yard alone from the Conifired soil each season.
I also studied Mycology in my youth as a second study being the researcher that I am, We also have a dozen or so choice edibles that grow in my front yard like chanterelles and Boletes which go for $20.00 a pound from Restaurant bidders.
I came here to Crescent City for the outside enviroment, I have the Forest in my back yard and the Pacific Ocean in my front yard, I live in a very quiet area of the city, nobody has ever bothered us with the exception of a neighbor who asked for a couple of eggs last year or the mail man delivering a package once a month.
It's factual that 80% of Del Norte County which my little Town resides in is on some form of Goverment assistance.
All in All, I still love where I live even with the crime rate of a population of 8,500 that is a little to High with transients and Drug users.
80% of my county (Del Norte) of 25,000+ are classified as poor.
Jerry[8D]
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Originally posted by onthecuttingedge2005
80% of my county (Del Norte) of 25,000+ people are poor.
Well that explains why you think it's mostly poor people doing the stealing, there's mostly poor people where you live!
At 80%, even if poor people were three times as honest (per capita) as non-poor people, there would be more poor people being dishonest.
But a quick search shows that your land values, home ownership, tax revenues and automobile use is about average. You have high unemployment, but since you are largely agricultural, some under the table employment is probably going on. All in all, unless you use a fairly high value for "poor", 80% seems unlikely.
Ah, answer.com says only 20% are under the poverty line. Median family income is near $40,000. Perhaps your area is not representative of the whole county?
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Originally posted by Bill DeWitt
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Originally posted by onthecuttingedge2005
80% of my county (Del Norte) of 25,000+ people are poor.
Well that explains why you think it's mostly poor people doing the stealing, there's mostly poor people where you live!
Like I said.
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At 80%, even if poor people were three times as honest (per capita) as non-poor people, there would be more poor people being dishonest.
This is a variable that changes per season.
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But a quick search shows that your land values, home ownership, tax revenues and automobile use is about average. You have high unemployment, but since you are largely agricultural, some under the table employment is probably going on. All in all, unless you use a fairly high value for "poor", 80% seems unlikely.
1.largely agricultural you said?, NOT! this region has no large agricultural region with the exception of 'Oregons' Tuplip farms in another State 30 miles away which aren't that many, mostly Wild mountains where I am We have no agriculture in Crescent City.
I live here, I know the land scape.
2.High Unemployment is true.
80% on Goverment Assisants is a true value in accordance to Del Norte County Goverment Assistance Programs to this year 2006 live.
The highest paying job in Del Norte County pays $3200 a month to start, the Pelican State Prison, There are '50' employees! at the Prison.
The second highest paying job starts at $10.00 per hour at Hambro industries and tops out at $13.50 per hour,The rest of the town is stuck at minimum California wages.
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Ah, answer.com says only 20% are under the poverty line. Median family income is near $40,000. Perhaps your area is not representative of the whole county?
I used my own Counties information and 80 % is true.
Jerry
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Originally posted by onthecuttingedge2005
I used my own Counties information and 80 % is true.
Link? We are talking about Del Norte California, aren't we? I see nothing near 80%. More like 20%
http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/06/06015.html
http://www.fedstats.gov/qf/states/06/06015.html
http://countingcalifornia.cdlib.org/counties/delnorte.html
There were longer links for other Federal and State pages, but I think you see the trend.
Maybe you got it backwards?
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well i feel that even though poverty can make you honest or a crook sometimes it happens when your at the end of your rope sometimes its because you are just that type of a person to be a crook first over being honest and trying to get help through organizations , etc. but if you really want to see some corrupt crooks just look within our own goverment "all:" sides , the wealthy with tax loopholes , bribes, lobbiest, etc. agenda's but ..that as paul havey say's ...... is the rest of the story .... GOOD DAY !!" [:D]