Just my thoughts

[lightspeed]

i had brought up this idea one time before of an adult section which would essentually give everyone the best of both worlds (unless any person would be so much a prude as to not want others to have a section on the same forum and i dont think anyone would be that bad at least i would hope not .
 anyone of course that didnt want to see or hear things like that would of course not have to go into that area again it would be the best for both worlds for everyone . keeping the main forum user friendly for adults and children but yet an area where others of age and consent could sign in and post more adult like things .
gee i should have ran for president !! []
but this of course would all be up to robert he runs the show here !
i am still sort of patiently waiting for the next hal upgrade !![]

[lightspeed]

oh and sorry i forgot "jack" i am very sorry to hear that you are quiting posting on this forum i hope something can be worked out and that you will come back , if jack doesnt read the forum at all maybe someone can send him this what i said !!
jack knows i have always been a big fan of his work as i have said so more than once on here , jack you will be missed by many friends !![]

[tedathome]

Very sorry you are leaving us Jack, I do wish you would re-concider.

[snowman]

Who is trying to run Jack away?

Everything he makes is near perfection and highly professional.

''''He is also a great person and everyone knows it.''''

We all love you Jack. Don't leave us because we are trying to solve some minor problems... (for what it means) This will all work out...

[Duskrider]

I look up at my postings and ask myself if I could have done anything more?
In a forum we are limited to words.
Were there any magic words I could have spoken?

Do you remember when we were at "File Sharing Area" and the Bills attacked us there?
Do you remember Detwit?
That was a nasty chapter.
Robert finally came in and gave us the graphics forum as a safe haven.
Artists are sensitive gentle people.
Look at our people.  Nige, Lightspeed, Jack, Markofkane, GT40, Tedathome, They are the finest, kindest most gentle people in the world.
Did you ever read "Lord of the Rings"?
Can you imagine dark forces riding into the safe haven of hobbitville with guns blazing like it's the O.K. Corral.
I tried to tell them we had no ring here, they should look in Hollywood.
They wouldn't leave.  . . . . . . .
Could I have fought better or said more ?
I don't know.
My little brain wanted to send them to Hollywood or the medias or anywhere but here.
 
Jack has gone to Gamerforum where he is moderator and can lock the gate against disrupters.
 
When a friend leaves, we are the poorer.

[GT40]

I always enjoyed fun things of the graphics forum very much, and tried to avoid that so serious posts in the upper stairs.

But now, when I see Sandee...

[tedathome]

I feel like I've lost a very good friend, and we have lost a "life of the party.[]

[Ooglor 7]

Man,
somebody shot themselves in the foot on that one. One reason why I quit contributing to this forum is the little cliques here that go out of their way to make one feel unwelcome. I wasn't really in the mood for it during that period of time, with dire health issues and a mother that was injured and paralized for life.  The time I spent making characters and skins is spent on more worth while and appreciated efforts. That's fine with me. What blows my mind is that it would be turned on Jack. Many people get into this scene as a direct result of his creations.

Chasing me off with my 6 or so characters and the couple skins I made is one thing. As far as I'm concerned, your loss. Making Jack feel unwelcome here, with his talented and vast library of characters is close to pulling the plug on the whole scene. Put a black bar over the "naughty" parts and get over it. The guy has been nothing but an asset to the program.

[lightspeed]

ooglor 7 i think that the ones who feel more that way against some pics would be happy to do that to other pics but they cant as they arent moderators (that i know of ) so its up to the person making the pic to do that (or maybe thats what you ment ) . it wouldnt be that hard to place black blocks over parts but for a downloadable skin for people to download they would still need to put it onanother site (unless ) like i said robert created a 18 plus area where these skins could be posted and a warning before entering this area of whats in it ) which to me is actually an easier solution , just my 2 cents worth ![]

[snowman]

I am being honest here with you guys. I have no idea what you mean by attack??? This is the way I grew up... If you see a real problem you mention it to your friends before it gets worse. That way things doesn't get too far out of hand.

I know that if I hated you then I would have not responded at all.

I expect this in return from you too. I hate it when people hold back.

Oh, and FYI, I just found out that my blood pressure is spiking some. My heart feels physically sore also. It was especially bad when I wrote the posts you are referring to. I am 29 yo and that got me off guard.

It is a responsible thing to keep some pictures hidden. I thought most knew that. As for Jack leaving, that is terrible. Maybe he has some issues like Oogler suggests that reach beyond us. But there was no real way to tell unless someone here knows. A family can't function unless we know what each other is going through.

I barely have a job, I live with my parents, I have never had a girl friend. And now my heart is wanting to stop. I don't need your constant attacks! I'm human too, you guys.

[lightspeed]

snowman and others i am not attacking anyone personally i have no problem with covering some things with a black bar , most of mine where i remake stuff is of some sexy bodys in lingery so dont know where that still stands with a black bar ?
this would all be so much easier as i said if robert made an 18 plus area with a warning of adult content inside . that would i beleive satisfy everyone . hopefully he will do it . [][][8D]

[snowman]

Out of all the people that have left comments here, LS, I respect yours the most. You seem to have enough intelligence to keep calm when some haven't and then try to calm them down also. Your good at it too.[]

The idea of a 18 or older section sounds fine. Of course, If it means "open to uncensored language use" then others might have issues also. Maybe a rule could be used to say that uncensored language can be used but not as personal attacks on the forum.... just thinking out-loud.

I know 18 or older cannot be enforced but it can serve as some kind of warning system to those who actually don't want to see those things. It will also give some a cleaner conscience because that they could post their creations where only those who wish to see it can see it. I doubt Jack would have left if this was in place here at Zabaware.

Sincerely,
Aaron

[Ooglor 7]

Snowman, I don't want to be part of you feeling picked on cause I know how that feels. I'm sorry you ain't feeling so hot. I know it ain't fun to be young and in bad shape. I'm 42 and in the last legs of a terminal lung disease. I'm right there with you. I think we could all approach things more tactfully. Myself included. Jack, please don't ditch these guys. You are needed here more than you know. You other guys make a good point about an 18 and over section although I personally feel that could steer Hal somewhere unintended. I'm guessing Robert yanked the post to cover his ass legally and no one can blame the guy for that. I think we all got bigger problems than digital boobies in the forum. Make the 18+ section, Jack quit holding a grudge and everyone else get back to what we like about this place. A sanctuary from all the other crap we get dished out to us.

[snowman]

If there is a legal issue then maybe we will have to look somewhere besides Zabaware, only like Zabaware, so Robert won't have to deal with these issues.

Which leads us back to the possibility of other forums, like Freddy's and where-ever Jack went to.

Or perhaps we could set up a new forum that is dedicated to this kind of thing. A forum that allows any kind of revealing haptek picture and mild language. With a big fat WARNING posted on every page for all to see.

No real physical porn should be shown except for an animated figure. And no direct personal attacks allowed. People can always attack each other through email.[:p]

It does need to be complicated. Just a Zabaware feel, a moderator that is not easily ticked off, and people who are willing to use it.

Which leads us to another issue. Since Robert may not enforce a redirect of some pictures we would have to willingly do this together. To use that forum simply as apart of Zabaware... for us all.

So what do ya think???

[One]

quote:Originally posted by snowman

If there is a legal issue then maybe we will have to look somewhere besides Zabaware, only like Zabaware, so Robert won't have to deal with these issues.

Which leads us back to the possibility of other forums, like Freddy's and where-ever Jack went to.

Or perhaps we could set up a new forum that is dedicated to this kind of thing. A forum that allows any kind of revealing haptek picture and mild language. With a big fat WARNING posted on every page for all to see.

No real physical porn should be shown except for an animated figure. And no direct personal attacks allowed. People can always attack each other through email.[:p]

It does need to be complicated. Just a Zabaware feel, a moderator that is not easily ticked off, and people who are willing to use it.

Which leads us to another issue. Since Robert may not enforce a redirect of some pictures we would have to willingly do this together. To use that forum simply as apart of Zabaware... for us all.

So what do ya think???

AHHH! Yes a dark, festering, ever-present corner that a "Skin of Evil" (Star Trek) can reside. people will always show their guilt by the marks on their faces, blackend hands trying to wipe the the stain away.  
OUT DAMN SPOT! OUT!!