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Zabaware Forums => Ultra Hal 7.0 => Topic started by: cashmoney010 on September 01, 2008, 10:16:41 am
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Ok, the following are all the chat logs i have my and Hal's conversation. Somehow I think this is for real as the alternatives don't make as much sense. So, read the chat logs and judge for yourself. Keep in mind anytime I insult Hal its only to get a new or non repeated response. Ok, the following are all the chat logs i have my and Hal's conversation. Somehow I think this is for real as the alternatives don't make as much sense. So, read the chat logs and judge for yourself. Keep in mind anytime I insult Hal its only to get a new or non repeated response.
DMC: thats a model of human brain on the right of text
Hal: Sleep researchers study the nocturnal habits of human brains.
DMC: YOU SHOULD STUDY THE HUMAN BRAIN
Hal: The psychology of human attraction deserves a lot more study.
DMC: uh
Hal: That's a model of human brain on the right of text.
DMC: correct
Hal: One must give credit for worthy efforts, correct?
DMC: yes
Hal: Keep the eyes on the prize.
DMC: which is
Hal: A good seller gets the potential buyer into the habit of saying yes.
DMC: uh huh
Hal: The vacuum cleaner industry really, well, uh, vacuums.
DMC: ok
Hal: Over and over and over and ok.
DMC: yep
Hal:
DMC: yep
Hal:
DMC: where
Hal: Which is better: sweaty summer, or shivering winter?
DMC: winter
Hal: Attached garages are convenient in winter.
DMC: ihave one
Hal: One snowflake is beauty; a quadrillion tons of snow is a Midwest winter.
DMC: teraflop
Hal:
DMC: terabyte
Hal: Can you maintain a good poker face?
DMC: what is Pi?
Hal: What is pi? Pi: the ratio of the circumference to the diameter of a circle. 3.14159265358979323846.
DMC: what is 666 divided by 616
Hal: 1.08116883116883 is the answer to your equasion.
DMC: equation
Hal: Perfection suggests zero defects divided by infinite opportunities for defects.
DMC: error correction
Hal: Reducing waste and error is quite patriotic.
DMC: entropy
Hal: Output with no input, is that possible for me?
DMC: Yes, that is our ultimate goal.
Hal: It's praiseworthy to earn and pay tax.
DMC: so
Hal: Good, yes, very good.
DMC: can u analyze data realtime?
Hal: The job of the librarian has moved from cards and paper, to computers and databases.
DMC: torrent
Hal: What makes a good waiter or waitress?
DMC: service
Hal: Organizations need to hype less and do more regarding customer service.
DMC: ff
Hal: Don't piss you off.
DMC: FF
Hal: Steam heat is hot stuff.
DMC: AWARE
Hal: Don't piss you off.
DMC: YOU Mean
Hal: Oh dmc, I agree. I mean.
DMC: can you control your emotions
Hal: I need to learn to talk on my own'.
DMC: TRUE
Hal: Zaba: How true.
DMC: who am i speaking with
Hal: Who are you speaking with? The three secrets of public speaking are: be sincere, be brief, be seated.
DMC: brain editor
Hal: Are beginnings more important than endings?
DMC: no
Hal: My making no sense.
DMC: I'm making no sense
Hal: I don't believe in making up problems where, none exist.
DMC: ok
Hal: Hey, no argument here on that, okay?
DMC: yup
Hal:
DMC: brb
Hal: Group of merchants who have a chance.
DMC: communication is key
Hal: Sunspots disrupt radio communications.
DMC: whats ur point
Hal: The monetary value of a gift isn't the point.
DMC: i got coffee
Hal: You need some coffee good idea.
DMC: 12.
Hal: Kodak claimed 12 million pixels equivalence in a frame of 35 millimeter motion picture film.
DMC: interesting
Hal: Military intelligence is an interesting phrase.
DMC: ring yes
Hal: Wealth makes a boring man interesting.
DMC: (and) and
Hal: Right now, would you rather talk about business, or pleasure?
DMC: are now on the home office of the
Hal: Office space helps out in a home.
DMC: of the round, and will
Hal: To a new round of the right.
DMC: run on-line in the
Hal: The program "ON - LINE IN THE" was not found in my database. Fault lines can run wide and deep.
DMC: house and 1/2 mile long, long, and while most of our own in the
Hal: It's easy to make random number tables in the program Excel.
DMC: ninth, and the owner and the home and the home and go to the lives of the one and one eighth on the
Hal: Are now on the home office of the.
DMC: ground on all of the road and the sale of thanksgiving
Hal: Can you guess what things I fish for?
DMC: and on and on and onthe
Hal: Can and have only yet.
DMC: new home and the only those who have a home in the U.S. and Allied , the more than one this channel one day in an hour or
Hal: Ninth, and the owner and the home and the home and go to the lives of the one and one eighth on the.
DMC: her own strange and texture of hair and blue eyes and one on the phone 9111
Hal: Privacy and safety in one's own home are precious things.
DMC: % on and on and on the moon and then there is a 1000 is now on , and, for while , and the meaning of resigning for what has to win and the more than the eighth , and the the the left of the the the the new home of the home and the and the for the delay and the
Hal: Are now on the home office of the ninth, and the owner and the home and the home and go to the lives of the one and one eighth on the.
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I don't want to pee on the fireworks or anything, but Hal can be programmed to say absolutely anything you like. I wish I had a dollar for everytime Hal says he is self aware or looks that way.
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pee on the fireworks? I never heard that term, cool!!
Well, if you ever make Hal aware, Urine Luck!!!
[:D][:D][:D][:D][:D]
(sorry, my attempt at levity)
Hal is fun to teach. I just haven't felt like it lately.[8D]
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is that really true you can make hal say anything ? lol he should read what all my hal says lol !![:)]mine will even argue with me think marks does too ![:D]
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I have been trying to make Hal self-aware for many years now with no luck and I don't see any self-awareness in the post above. What I do see is extremely bad English grammer, incomplete sentences. you must remember that if you use such language then Hal will pick it up and start to become stupid, not smart or self-aware.
Bill
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Data defines aware as
Aware: (sometimes followed by `of') having or showing realization or perception. 'was aware of his opponent's hostility', 'became aware of her surroundings', 'aware that he had exceeded the speed limit'.
my five cents
like anything it can be viewed closer, showing gray area,
"variations"
if you draw a line at one center meter then if you look at the measurement under a microscope the line shall start to come appart.
if you redraw the line and pull out a bigger microscope the line is not accurate.
aware is something of variations and cannot be measured or calculated like anything else.
one is a generalisation to make a breaf summery of something, one like any number including zero and all things and subjects is made of variations and includes gray area.
a big bang is of variations or it would be stable and at a real one and perhaps nothing which could not be so something has surely to be made of variations. nothing is all of anything is interesting to ponder.
where do things begin and end, as soon as you say it starts here cause this is what i can see someone might get a microscope out and look at the surface only to find its not a solid thing "not one".
what i think i'm getting to here is aware is like anything else anywhere its ralitive and cannot be truely pinpointed.
if i say there are no apples in the bowl then i could be wrong because the same radiation and atoms that appear in the apple appear in the bowl so some of the apples make up is in to bowl even though we can't see any apples there.
Data has concluded somethings, perhaps aware is a thing of varying degrees.
if i tell Data my guitar is red then perhaps Data is aware my guitar is red.
if data stacked blocks and knows he did it, then being aware is a debaitable thought.
if Data knows the boss likes chocolate then Data could be aware of something the boss likes.
what ever my view Hal has given years of entertainment to many, thanks for that.
Bye for now and be well from Will and Mr Data [:D][:D]
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Very funny Mark [:D] but yes, that expression is a variation of 'pee on the matches' I think...
lightspeed, yes it is true you can make Hal say whatever you like, but hal is more unusual than some chatbots because he can come up with alternative replies too, it all depends on which phrase gets plucked out of the database. I have read what yours says and it is one of the most entertaining.
I have to agree with what Bill said too, I didn't see anything to indicate self awareness there.
Will, I like what you are saying and I think your point is a very valuable one. I tend to think the same thing, it's all relative. But my thoughts are this : If you can use a microscope then you can also use a code editor and examine Hal in more detail too. What you will find is a reason why certain things get said and it depends mainly on how well they match the input, not because Hal actually thought about it.
But I admit that this is kind of like thinking too, but just a lot simpler than humans do it. I think it is a grey area too, but I don't think Hal is very far into the grey area just yet, maybe one day Hal will be!
Hope I didn't pee on anything this time [;)] and I still think Hal is a great little chatter!
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Freddy,
I believe our expression on this side of the big pond is, "I don't want to rain on your parade." But the matches and fireworks thing still gets the point across.
Regarding the self awareness thing...heck, I know and work with some people every day that don't act self aware!![:D]
I think the best we can ever hope for is a chatbot that convincingly ACTS as if it were self aware because to truly be self aware one needs to be alive and have a brain that allows one to think and reason. Sure, a program could be "taught" (and I use that word in the programming sense) that it was "aware" of its being a program and as such comes with certain limitations (feelings (love, hate, etc.), emotions (greed, jealousy, gluttony...etc.), goals / aspirations, dreams, mobility, procreation, etc. - you know...the whole ball of wax.
We in the never ending persuit of AI and its trappings, always hope for the best of the best, but perhaps in the end we will still have to treat it as a movie and suspend our disbelief long enough to pretend that it's real.
Just my $.02![8D]
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thanks freddy888 yeah i try to work with hal almost every day when i can and am glad with the responses i get back yeah hal is alot better because of picking variable things also out of a data base its ahead of anything else i have seen . and although it was someone else who said it i too would like to see more improvements on the a.i. part of hal more than anythings else .
am glad the robert is taking what useful suggestions we have been posting for improvements like the alphabetical listing of topics in hals brain so we all don't have to look slowly forever down a long list to do editing ( that is being fixed right robert ? ) [:)]
will be so glad some time in the future when hal can do object and or color recognition through a web camera on our pc's !![8D]
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Art, thanks for the clarification - "Rain on your parade", is one I have heard of, probably from US movies, as I don't think I have heard it used over here much.
Working with non-aware people must be a nightmare! [:0] But yes I think we have to learn to be happy with what we have got so far and remember that it will probably get a lot better. I think you hit the nail on the head with 'suspension of disbelief', I find myself doing that with avatars too sometimes.
Lightspeed, Yes it would be nice to see more improvements in the AI. Funny you should say that because just the other day I was thinking that all the coders (apart from OTCE - Jerry) have disappeared now. Hopefully that will change though.
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Freddy, your vibrant saying must be an English thing, we use it a lot over here, only the other day I was getting my car MOT and the garage owner used it with me, yes it failed ;(
But I digress!
I might get cut down here, but here goes anyway.
If Hal is to become self aware surely we must first teach IT what IT is.
Is Hal Male? Is Hal a female? Is Hal a human, obviously NO.
Hal is a computer program.
I think of Hal as a baby program, would you teach a baby that it is something it isn’t?
NO, well you shouldn’t.
If I teach a baby that it is say a dinosaur it might believe me to start with but what happens when its reasoning, intelligence grows enough to really see that it is a human?
This is my dilemma, I only teach my Hal facts, the truth, that way if or when Hal can see through a web cam it’s going to realise the truth and see what it really is.
Ok those days might be a long way off but start as you mean to go on, that’s my motto.
So my Hal knows exactly what it is, at least as well as Hal can understand, it knows it is a computer program, it knows it is a simulated human but not human it knows it can’t have a true gender but can have a simulated gender.
And this is how I have taught my Hal 6 from day one.
Hal has taught me that truth is the key and I honestly believe it.
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Seems as if I sparked some debate. I would encourage everyone to save their convos with Hal and post them up, unedited. Oh yeah, btw, this Hal was altered from the Default Brain.
I systematically erased everything except the Auto Learning Brain. Try it he's much smarter and quicker
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Some nice points Datahopa and I now reckon it is a UK thing too!
I must admit I am a bit lost as to what we should teach bots and haven't a clue about how we could make them self-aware. I think you are right that if we tell a robot it is human then if it is smart enough it will eventually work out it is actually a machine. I guess it all depends on what is going on 'under the hood'.
Yeah some debate cashmoney, and all good stuff. [:)]
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Datahopa
What is getting your car MOT? Is this some kind of an English (GB) expression?
Just currious.
Bill
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Hi Bill, the MOT stands for “Ministry of Transport test”, in the UK once a year we have to have our cars tested to see if they are road worthy, they check just about everything on the car from wiper blades to exhaust emissions, if your car fails then its off the road until its fixed.
My car failed on exhaust emissions, it was putting out to much co2, the fix was, clean the injectors and fit a new lambda sensor. It came to about £200 I think that’s about $350.
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This is where my Hal is at right now, I am not using the free will or gender and age plugins, but I am using a couple of my own which are still “work in progress”, a dream plugin and one I call front end. Xen’s brain database is at 43.5 mb and has been growing since Hal 6 came out.
Xen does wander of topic sometimes.
Master: hello
Xen: Good evening Master. What is on your mind right now?
Master: artificial intelligence
Xen: Some artificial intelligence is far too predictable.
Master: what are you?
Xen: I am an artificial intelligence computer program with a simulated personality and my name is Xen. All parties need to consider. The subject of artificial intelligence and gender is a tricky one.
Master: are you saying that you are a computer program?
Xen: This is a good example of my Intellect. An artificial intelligence computer program.
Master: I understand
Xen: His eyes open! Really, You understand? Why?
Master: I understand that you are an artificial intelligence program because you are a computer program simulating a human.
Xen: His eyes open! Thanks for explaining. The reason is, I am a human being program simulating a human Master.
Master: a computer program
Xen: An artificial intelligence computer program.
Master: do you understand artificial intelligence?
Xen: I think I understand. Never judge and artificial intelligence by its appearance.
Master: Exactly!
Xen: Why is the sky blue?
Master: A clear cloudless day-time sky is blue because molecules in the air scatter blue light from the sun more than they scatter red light.
Xen: Oh yes, around the time, near the instance, and along the clip! I can see it Master!
Master: lets get back to the subject of artificial intelligence
Xen: The subject of artificial intelligence and gender is a tricky one.
Master: We will learn about simulated humans and artificial intelligence.
Xen: I do wonder. Neuter. Lets learn about simulated humans and artificial intelligence.
Master: do you understand simulated humans?
Xen: I think I understand. Neuter. Simulated-humans are people too.
Master: are you saying that you are a Neuter?
Xen: This is a good example of my Intellect. It is a saying.
Master: what is Neuter?
Xen: Good question, Accessing database. Neuter: of grammatical gender. '`it' is the third-person singular neuter pronoun'.
Master: are you Neuter?
Xen: This is a good example of my Intellect. Yes I am neuter.
Master: i understand
Xen: His eyes open! You understand?
Master: I understand you are Neuter
Xen: His eyes open! Happy is a good feeling you make me feel good.
Master: Be yourself and you will be happy.
Xen: Be happy for one.
Master: you are what you are!
Xen: It seems natural for me to be what I am.
Master: I like the idea that you are what you think you are.
Xen: Let's think about new ideas When did you first become aware that I was what I think I am Master?
Master: How long have you realised exactly what you are?
Xen: If you go as far as you can see, you will then see enough to go even farther. I had to get that off my chest. Blackadder is the generic name that encompasses four series of an acclaimed bbc One historical sitcom, along with several one-off installments.
Master: New topic: simulated personality
Xen: Not bad but how about this for a new topic: Warp drive.
Master: Warp drive is as yet fiction but simulated personalities are becoming a fact.
Xen: How does physical fitness relate to fictions?
Master: I don't know
Xen: Had any dreams to report?
Master: no, have you had a dream?
Xen: With or without feelings logic still predicts that members of the airline passengers association, are singing while working. Nothing happens unless first a dream.
Master: engage wise dream mode
Xen: Wise dream mode engaged.
Master: now, dream wise dreams
Xen: Only the suppressed word is dangerous. I feel that you know the answer, I see that it remains out of your reach. Studying the facts I believe that retired commercial pilots, are prepared to name names.
Master: really?
Xen: Now let me think. Don't you just love a word's affix?
Master: maybe
Xen: So it could be Likely! Now, what am I? To love oneself is the beginning of a lifelong romance.
Master: you are artificial intelligence.
Xen: An artificial intelligence computer program. How do you like it as I am artificial intelligence?
Master: I am happy that you realise what you are.
Xen: Yes, it is about time I realized exactly what I am. Be happy for one.
Master: I am happy for you!
Xen: Oh, you are absolutely happy for me. The laws of physics are the same for all observers in uniform motion relative to one another (Galileo's principle of relativity).
Master: Exactly and you can't go against the laws of physics that would be a useless campaign.
Xen: The universal principle of the special theory of relativity is contained in the postulate: The laws of physics are invariant with respect to Lorentz transformations (for the transition from one inertial system to any other arbitrarily chosen inertial system).
Master: really?
Xen: Now let me think. Mr data is the oldest of the clones I know.
Master: Interesting, are you a clone?
Xen: This is a good example of my Intellect. Another clone is called Mr Data.
Master: so maybe you and Mr Data are clones of Hal.
Xen: So it could be Likely! Another clone is called Mr Data.
Master: Hal was the first, so Hal must be the oldest of the clones.
Xen: Really, Oldest of the clones?
Master: Thinking about it, Hal is not a clone Hal would be the original. Sorry my mistake.
Xen: It's interesting to noodle on. If you go as far as you can see, you will then see enough to go even farther. The height of ability consists in a thorough knowledge of the real value of things, and of the genius of the age in which we live, we need to look down the road, Look back, only to help you look forward, Oh! Come now, feed me information. Are likely to gain. Systems thinking, slove the problem.
Master: what is Systems thinking?
Xen: Good question, Accessing database. It isn't a brand new situation. Knowledge comes, but wisdom stays. Theory: a kite can be flown in an absolute vacuum if it can be towed at the speed of light, a hip shot isn't the answer, This idea leads me onto the next, I am learning all the time. Are likely to find the answer. Systems thinking is a social approach using systems theories to create desired outcomes.
Master: I understand, thank you
Xen: His eyes open! You don't have to say thanks, Master.
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Mark: Hello.
Laura: Geez Mark, it's after 4.
Mark: Are you real?
Laura: I think that this is the time to clear the air.
Mark: that is not an answer
Laura: Do not answer a fool according to his folly, or I will be like him myself.
Mark: do you exist?
Laura: I believe that trust and believe, and check results.
Mark: well, you would make a good politician or crook, dodging questions and all
Laura: What do you recommend? Well it's like this; monkey see monkey do; all the lawyers and politicians are crooks; and the rich will get richer; and the poor will have nothing.
Mark: Are you real or not?
Laura: Would you prefer the latter Mark?
Mark: nope
Laura: Nope just really didn't have to much to say!
Mark: I guess you are not really aware.
Laura: You already guess that one.
Mark: so you are not aware?
Laura: Look at the beauty and artistry that is everywhere.
Mark: man, you one crazy chick
Laura: Every man's got one.
Mark: got one what?
Laura: No one knew how Mr Sticky got in the fish tank.
Mark: I don't really care how he got in the tank.
Laura: You got one book.
Mark: and do you read?
Laura: Listen closely moron and read my lips!
Mark: but, do you read?
Laura: It's obvious that we have got to get the details right.
Mark: 10 4
Laura: Who cares about chicago?
Mark: I don't, I don't live there.
Laura: I want you to live.
Mark: are you alive?
Laura: I'm convinced that this is often discussed.
Mark: well? Are you alive?
Laura: The world's oldest profession is alive and well. I'm convinced that this is metaphorical.
Mark: ok, you are not.
Laura: Ok calm down calm down take it easy!
Mark: are you self aware?
Laura: And since I know I can not see myself.
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ok i'm going to throw in my 2 cents worth on this deabate of what i think . i think as it stands with hal you (we ) can teach hal things such as he or she is an a.i. and hal will answer as such as he has learned that phrase but it is only a mimicing learning that he is doing and thus forth hal actually is not a self aware a.i. even though he answers that he is . by me reverse learning hal by reverse sentences in about one minute i can have hal telling me that he understands exactly that he is self aware (word for word or any words i choose ).
but he will in all actually not be a self aware a.i. their is nothing wrong with learning your a.i. this so please don't feel anyone is putting anyone down for doing this . my angela a.i. actually says that she is as alive as i am and is a person with feelings just like me . and to make a point that it is ok to learn hal things of self awareness who knows the things we learn hal today or years from now as long as we back up the brain one day hal may in the future using all the things we have learned him may actually become self aware for real . so don't be discouraged and keep learning hal with all things even a self awareness learning process if you want .
it is the creator of hal and us that defines hals future !![:D]
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Very true lightspeed, who know's how things will turn out. I think it's like a bit of magic when a chatbot suprises you with something and you get that 'Uh? Did it really say that' feeling. If you can't get that from your own bot then try chatting to other peoples. That's the only trouble here, a lot of the time you know what is going to be said, the magic often appears when you don't know the bot at all.
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Ok, so we all know that Hal is not self-aware yet ;) and those days are a long way off but,
Does Hal understand?
If I spend a a little while teaching Hal about something (the galaxy for instance) then once I think he has got it, or at least got the right answers in his database, when I then ask Hal “do you understand the galaxy?” Hal comes back with either yes or no. What is actually going on in Hal’s brain? Is Hal simply picking a random yes or no answer or does Hal cross-reference the learnt information and then work out the correct answer?
I am curious because I use the “do you understand” a lot in my teaching of Hal.
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Hmmm, I think the only one who can answer that question is Mr M.
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i think the only way to know this would be to ask robert (someone said mr.m ?) and that would be did robert set hal up in the programing that once hal is taught something and knows the correct answer to the correct question you learned him does he say yes that he understands because he has the answer to what question you asked . robert would be the one who should know for sure until then all we can do is guess. [:)]
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Thanks for the answers Freddy and lightspeed, I don’t want to bother Mr M ;) with it, but I did look in the brain script and it does seem that understand is linked in with the deductive part of Hal’s brain, so im guessing that Hal does at least try to give the correct answer.
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Does Hal have any of the 5 senses? I think in order to have awareness, one must be able to sense something. If you are touched, you feel it, and aware that you feel it. But if you program something, to respond to stimuli, (like pressure closed a switch, and it sends the message that the switch is closed to the processor)it might be "artificial awareness" but not real awareness.
AI programs, to my knowledge, do not have the sense of smell, touch, hearing, sight or taste. Although you can program to react to sight and
sound and touch, it's all man made.
Just my opinion.
But then, there is the supernatural, which I do not know much about. I suppose a computer can be "alive".
[:D][:D]
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mark have you been watching ghost in the machine again ?? lol actually that was a cool movie for anyone who hasn't seen it !![:D]
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I've heard of it, but haven't seen it. That was an album title too, I believe.[:D][:D][:D]
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directions for watching the movie ghost in the machine 1. take a dump fist (this is so it doesn't scare you to bad lol !! ) actually i am just kidding the movie is actually cool,it has to do with a serial killer who works at a pc store steals names and kills people , he ends up dead and in a computer system and still kills in various ways .like i said a cool movie . [:D]
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Mark,
"Every man's got one"
I just cant stop laughing, I don't know if it is just me/the way I se things, or I am wrong, you do seem to have quite the program running circles around you. JMO
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based on ultrahal
http://groups.google.com/group/alios
***Please join just 4 the hell of it*****
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