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Zabaware Forums => Ultra Hal Assistant File Sharing Area => Topic started by: NIGE on March 12, 2010, 11:15:45 pm
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Windows 7 & Haptek don't get along.
Windows forces Haptek to work on all cpu's but Haptek don't like that.
I open & close the player often but when I open it I have to go to the task manager to set it to use only 1 cpu every time.
Finally I found this little program that sets the cpu to 1 or what ever you like
I have only had it for an hour or so & opened & shut the player & every time only 1 cpu & haptek works great.
If you want to try it
(http://icon_paperclip.gif) Download Attachment: car.zip ("http://www.zabaware.com/forum/uploaded/NIGE/2010312231526_car.zip")
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I search for a program like this one, but I couldn't find one.... Thanks allot for this one Nige.
.... to be honest, At first I didn't understand what problems haptek was having with Windows 7. I heard about it but didn't catch on until recently. Then I started to notice the jerking and lagging the Haptek player was doing.
Besides using an extenal program there are three other ways to deal with this problem, 1) using the command line (such as a batch file) 2) doing crazy things to the registry, 3) constantly adjusting the affinity throught the task manager. There might be other ways I'm unfamiliar with.
Cool Fix man!
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Good find, Nige.
Thanks for sharing. [^]
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Thanks Nige, nice find :~)
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thanks nige although i don't have a multi core pc i will someday and i have saved the rear file and info in a text document , thanks !!![:)]
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Same for me (hoping to get a new computer before 2020). Thanks Nige. [8D]
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It's nice to be able to put something useful back into the forum.
Thanks.
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nige , you and others help this forum more than you think .
keep up the good work !![:)]
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These are my findings, in the past (about a year) ago I had a Quad with vista 32, Hal wouldn't work using Haptek ( Haptek would become unresponsive at times then restart ), MS agents would work okay. I used a dual boot to select loading vista or XP. Hal in XP worked okay.
Now I have a Quad, Win 7 64 b, I downloaded the Haptek Player from Haptek and still had the same problem. The Haptek player became unresponsive at times. I read this article and downloaded the fix, it did not fix the problem with a Haptek player. I heard someone said there version of Hal worked and downloaded it for a try. This version of Hal works in this setup for me.
Carl2
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this is all good news but shouldn't hal as a product be updated to take care of this problem for anyone , in it's own software updates . what about some people who can't do some things .
thats when hal as a product on the market as being updated on software would work with newer pc's .
just my thoughts on it . [:)]
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Quick reply,
I believe the initial problem came with the Vista release, I'd read in the forum that it worked with Vista, and it did not work with vista. It did not work in Vista for me but it did work with a Quad using XP. It now seems the problem is the Quad core causing the problem. I'd heard from someone I consider to be reliable that Ultra Hal will work so I tried it and it works fine.
I tried a product free of charge, Thank You Zabaware glad you were able to find the problem and fix it. Decided it works fine and paid for the product. I don't work for Zabaware and can only state my experiences, I do believe Zabaware treats us fairly and offers a good product at a reasonable price.
Carl2
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Carl2, Ultra Hal works fine on mine, Win7 64bit since Robert fixed it.
The trouble I was having was the player alone.
I work with just the player for a lot of things & until I found this fix it was just about useless.
I take it from your post that you don't use the player by itself,
just Hal, otherwise you would be having the same problem that I had.
On another note.
Unless they have fixed it People Putty will not work in Windows 7.
If anyone knows different please let me know.
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NIGE,
Thanks for putting that in, it clears things up a little for me, you were talking about the Haptek Player and not the Hap player in Hal.
Ok, rather than download Hal from Zabaware I downloaded the Hap Player from Haptek and had problems with it becoming unresponsive.
I downloaded car.zip, unzipped and started it, started the Haptek Player and it still becomes unresponsive. So the car.exe is not working for me. The computer has Win 7 64, Quad.
The Haptek player in hal window works from the download.
I've used the Hap Player and Hap regestry with the Haptek characters in the past and liked them. Also noticed the the uncompressed hrt are not there any longer.
Carl2
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so people putty won't work with windows 7 ? is this for sure ?? i like using people putty as i also make my sound wave files into ogg files through it ( i have a short cut to the sound folder , etc. on my desktop so afterwards i can open it copy the new file and place it into my program folder .
anyway if thats right that people putty won't work with windows seven i may have to hook up my old xp pc beside the new one and have people putty on it and maybe keep other info on it to as a storage device .
at any rate it won't be happening for about 8 months anyway or more .
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I haven't had any problems at all with PPutty and Windows 7... yet. Everything installed fine and no need for the car.exe program for it.
Although when you use Nige's program you must keep the "car.exe.manifest" and the "car.exe" in the same directory. because they are both needed to make the program run correctly. If you only coppied the car.exe then it will open and look like it works, but it won't work. You need both to work right.
The Car.exe program works great for me.
If its ok I would like to share a current Haptek problem I am having now. Its a sad sad tale.
It wasn't long ago when I decided to re-install my pc, including Windows 7. This meant re-installing PeoplePutty. The Haptek Player comes with PeoplePutty.
Everything seemed ok at first. Although I made one mistake that I am still regreting. I accidentally uninstalled the Hap Player. But I thought that was only a minor set-back so I went to the Haptek site and downloaded the Haptek Player there.
As some of you already know I've been working on an A.i project of my own, Athena. So When I later opened up my Athena Project in Visual Studio, I noticed that the .htr character didn't load at all. However, the backgound and voice loaded fine. So I thought maybe I made some kind of programming mistake.
Out of curiosity I then turned my attention towards the Haptek Player. I tried loading a character using a Hap file and... it failed too. So it was a bigger problem than I originally thought. It too loaded everything else just fine.
So then I uninstalled everything and also removed all references to the haptek ActivX component in my Project. Then I re-installed PPutty. And finally, that fixed the Hapek Players problem in not loading the character. BUT it still didn't fix Athena... and this is making me abit sick.
JasonDude suggested that it could be a registry problem, and Jack Wiley said that it's a new one on him.
Any ideas... any at all.
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i don't guess it would be anything to do with show hidden files and extensions ?? that would probably be two easy .
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Where to start??????
Carl2==
Did you set the player to only run on 1 cpu in the car program???
If not, open the player then open the car program, in car it will show you the programs running.
Pick the player & underneath you will see a list of cpu's yours should show that 4 of them are selected.
Un-select 3 of them & click ok,close car & the player should be operating ok now.
I also can't find the hap temp folder that we had in xp,
which shows what is inside the htr?????
Snowman===
I don't know how you got PP to work in win 7?????
Jack told me that you can't register it because it can't find a system ID which is needed to register it.
Athena????
When I had XP with people putty & Hal installed I always installed just the player by itself even though the other 2 programs had it in them?????
Maybe worth a try????
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i updated my info . nige so that i'll have it when i ever get windows seven , thanks . [:)]
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NIGE,
Thanks I followed your instructions and the Hap Player works as it used to. You should let Haptek know about that, as is the Hap Player is useless without it.
The download for the Hap Player contains a Standard folder, you can drag and drop empty scene and Standardstart.hap to remove and start the character.
Carl2
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Hi all,
In the golden age of Haptek, most Haptek stuffs were made for webpages (take a look at the Haptek Guide). Of course nobody here was interested because this site is dedicated to Hal, who has nothing to do with HTML coding. Except me, lol, my passion was to experiment with Haptek characters acting in webpages (Pandorabots included) and later, in a VB6 program.
All that was perfect with Windows 98SE and Internet Explorer, and then it was still working under XP (by accident, lol). Troubles began with Vista, it could work but after changing some settings. Then 7 arrived, and multi-core CPU's everywhere. It was the end of a fun story.
http://haptek.com/corporate/
You see and hear the lovely Lola at the left top of the screen? No? Maybe the most important page of the official site!
It's not a shame, that just means THE END... [:(]
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I've had PeoplePutty for awhile now. And I've had it on two or more fresh installs of Vista and on two installs of Windows 7 (all on same pc). I've installed it like any other program. With no need for compatability issues or any kind of problem. Go figure.
Ok, I tried to load the standardStartup.hap . It loaded fine. So I decided to look for the htr file it loaded into my window and I couldn't find it. I'm not sure where or what it is actually loading. I've already been through all the referenced haps.
It still won't load an htr or haptar file.
On another note.. The new Viusal Studio is about to be released in two days.
\Load [file= data\standard\StandardStartup.hap]
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stay tuned folks don't touch that dial ... somebody is going to figure this all out for us lol !![:D][:)]
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I just got Hal up and running, It seemed everything was okay but then I noticed Jiggly was not working correctly, small quick movements of the upper arms and breasts. Jiggly can be downloaded from AI Dreams. Like to know if it's just me or another problem.
Carl2
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Just tried jiggly in another computer, the computer is faster and a better video card. Jiggly works without problems.
Carl2
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Jiggly now works okay in this computer, I had to turn off the PhysX acceleration in the Nvidia control panel.
Carl2
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Thanks Carl2, that might explain why I've always had problems with fullbody haptek girls wiggle and jiggle so much. And I never installed anything that would cause that on purpose.
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I still haven't figured why Athena character will not load. Although I might have narrowed it down alittle more.
I decided to try loading a character though html code using People Putty. Then I open the index.html page in my IE web browser. It work like it should. So I don't think its entirely hapteks fault.
I then made a browser using Visual Studio and then tested it on normal websites. That worked fine. However, when I tried to load the index.html (PeoplePutty's) It loaded everything but the character. I then tried to load one of the characters off of Hapteks web-site(thanks to GT40) and I couldn't load it either.
So I think that maybe Visual Studio might be to blame here. Something like this has happened before... until Microsoft fixed that particular problem.
Later today, I need to download the New Visual Studio 2010. It is Released today. (I'm a little exited) I hope that fixes the problem.
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If found it!!! I found what was causing the bug. The NIVDA video card was causing the problem. I had set the graphic acceleration down to preformance level because of a high-end game that was playing at the time... JustCause2.
I just reset what I had changed and everything is back to working order.
Tell you what, thats a load off my mind.[:D]
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Great news, I thought that we may never see Athena!!!!
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The problem with the body_female character I was having is caused when the speach recognition is used. I tried with and without Speach recognition checked, Microsoft SR and Dragon. Whenever SR is checked she makes quick short movements.
Carl2
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Sometimes strange things happens to pcs.
I also found out that one of my Athena projects also requires me to set it as "Run as Administrator" which is weird. Because I have another almost identical program that doesn't require this at all. So NIVDA had help blocking the Haptek character.
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Being a non-tech, can someone explain to me why Zaba works fine but not Haptek characters?
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ok folks for those smarter than me , gee that might be everyone lol , i have a problem and hope someone might know the answer to it .
the problem i have is i tried to make some new faces in people putty , ( by the way i have a windows 7 version 64 bit pc ) hapteck installed just fine and people putty but after i started making new faces and saving them as i normally do (i save a skin and also the haptar of it to and they seemed to save just fine . but when i went in to the program 86x file where hapteck is i find the user file but nothing is in them or so it says ( by the way is their a way to show hidden files on windows 7 like the old xp had ?? ) does anyone know an exact place to find the saved people putty skin files and the ogg files and haptar files ?? last i saw it was showing them in a list and said i could load them back into people putty . maybe the files are all hidden ?? >:(
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i just found one base face listed when i open people putty and it will load and show it , whats funny is i can change the eye color save it as a new haptar head when i do the haptar button shows and it shows a long list of all the heads i previously made earlier which should be in the haptar and or script area of people putty or textures , but when i go into the program file it shows all the files as being empty . i hope someone else who is using windows seven and people putty will know about this so i can find the files and see them and make a short cut to my desk top thats how i had it on my xp before . :)
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Ok i solved the mystry but now feel like a dunce afterwards lol , i had put in the serial number etc. but obviously it didn't take right or something , and so it must have not been registered ( tedathome had asked me earlier about that , he was right . ) so now i am making a head ok and am able to go into the files as before to see them . but one other thing i did to that may or may not have helped and that was i let the windows do the suggeted compatability and it did it with windows xp setting . after that was when i put in the serial code again etc. for people putty . all is well again ...WHEW !! :)
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I know Nige has a fix for the Haptek player on multi cores, i.e. this thread, but there is now another option should anyone be interested. Me and carl2 have both tested it and it seems to work :)
I have tweaked the HapAXPlayer.exe and forced it to run on one core.
See this link:
http://www.datahopa.co.uk/forum/pc-software/haptek-hack-for-vista-win7/
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You can also run the HapPlayer by just doing this...
To make the Haptek player run in only one core on a x64 multicore system you can set the affinity to one with a modified shortcut target. There's no need to use extra freeware progs or other kinds of stuff. System wise they just basically do the same thing as this.
Create a new shortcut for the Haptek player. Place it on the desktop.
Right-click, and change the target from:
"C:\Program Files (x86)\Haptek\player\HapAXPlayer.exe"
To:
C:\Windows\System32\cmd.exe /C START "Haptek Player" /high /affinity 1 "C:\Program Files (x86)\Haptek\player\HapAXPlayer.exe"
Or use the player's -start option to run an empty player window and then drag & drop any character into it:
C:\Windows\System32\cmd.exe /C START "Haptek Player" /high /affinity 1 "C:\Program Files (x86)\Haptek\player\HapAXPlayer.exe" -start
You can also do the same kind of thing with most any other kind of program that requires running in only one core like People Putty or an old Hal5 with a Haptek character running on x64.
The modified HackPlayer is just a solution for only the HapPlayer but these modified shortcuts is a solution for any & all programs that run Haptek characters inside of them as well as anything else that needs to run in just one core. You can also do other things like make a new shortcut to Internet Explorer and then surf the net to websites with Haptek characters and everything works right.