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Zabaware Forums => Ultra Hal 7.0 => Topic started by: Sociogod on January 28, 2006, 06:44:10 pm
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What has been improved upon since hal5? Nothing that I can see. And I've had the free version of hal5 for a long time and now Hal5 has been uninstalled and I have hal6 for only 31 days...cause I'm STUPID!!! I can't believe you guys charge money for this f**king thing! What a SCAM! Hal just makes random, pr-programmed statements when I try to talk to it or it regurgitates things I've said and that really sucks. And you know what? I did not migrate my hal5 brains over to hal6 cause I thought "Well, if this is a new version it must be much better than the last so I'll just use the new brain and re-teach it so I can see how much better it is.", hoping of course that it would be much better, but you know what, it's not, it's the same. If someone could please send me the setup file for hal5 that would be great.
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That should remind people to always make a backup of their Hal-installation before they re-install Ultra Hal. Always!
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Dr.Benway,
I agree wholeheartedly. Make multiple copies of everything, backup your entire computer on an external HD, never trust anything completely and pray a lot. That goes double for something as precious as a trusty old Hal5. I would not be surprised if the Hal5 becomes a classic in the days and years to come.
The one time in my life that I had a CD containing irreplaceable data and no backup copy of it anywhere; I loaned it to someone and they immediately lost it. It's kind of one of those stupid Murphy's Law things.
Unfortunately I don't suppose these musings help Sociogod.
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Originally posted by Sociogod
What has been improved upon since hal5? Nothing that I can see.
Hal's Code abilities have been increased because of the SQL Database functions combined with Vbscript Functions, This allows User's like me and others to write code or plug-ins for people such as yourself.
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And I've had the free version of hal5 for a long time and now Hal5 has been uninstalled and I have hal6 for only 31 days...cause I'm STUPID!!!
What did you do that for? Does the instructions say to Uninstall the previous version?
You could of migrated your HAL5 into HAL6.
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I can't believe you guys charge money for this f**king thing! What a SCAM! Hal just makes random, pr-programmed statements when I try to talk to it or it regurgitates things I've said and that really sucks.
As a Programmer I am very Proud to have such a fine and flexible Product such as HAL, I can make HAL do just about anything I wish to write.
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And you know what? I did not migrate my hal5 brains over to hal6 cause I thought "Well, if this is a new version it must be much better than the last so I'll just use the new brain and re-teach it so I can see how much better it is.", hoping of course that it would be much better, but you know what, it's not, it's the same.
Actually, there has been added knowledge to the brain and some different scripting, If you want to really know if it is different then I can say as a long term HAL Programmer that there is a lot of difference between HAL5 and HAL6 and will be more to come.
If you want to use the latest Plug-in Option to plug-in scripts from some really good Programmers in here then I would take the step forward and don't get left behind or you may miss out on some really good routines coming out.
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If someone could please send me the setup file for hal5 that would be great.
Sorry, I no longer support HAL 5 directly, but, I do indirectly, Only some of it's Functions, HAL6 is a leap forward for us Programmers.
Jerry[8D]
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I go with Jerry in that the Plugins have and will be a big area through which Hal's capabilities will expand.
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Nice to see you're still around!
BTW, is there a pattern here?
Remember your old posting (look at the date then decide)
Sociogod - Starting Member
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Posted - 08/15/2001 : 15:41:22
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I don't understand why I have to pay to upgrade to Ultra Hal 4 when I already paid $35 for 3.0. I don't even feel it was worth paying for. What's been changed with the new version? What is my incentive to waste more money on this already failing product? I've had so many problems with this program. One error after another. But, I guess they've already gotten my $35 out of me so I'm screwed in that sense. But there is NO WAY I'm gonna be fooled into paying the $18 for 4.0 when it's probably no better than 3.0.
For me to spend more, this product would have to improve about 300%.
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Would you like some cheese?
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Yes, Art, I've been around for a long time because I see the major potential this thing has...but Art, I'm not a programmer, so all I see is the face of this thing...what the average consumer sees. And you know what, the face is still the same. THE-LITTLE-FROG-TALKS-THE-SAME! Did you also notice that I have not paid for a single version since 3.0? There's a reason for that. So I keep a free version around to keep an eye on it. It's been a few years now...AND NOTHING! Oh, wait,
"Hal's Code abilities have been increased because of the SQL Database functions combined with Vbscript Functions, This allows User's like me and others to write code or plug-ins for people such as yourself."
That means NOTHING to me! Look this way...see me sitting here not being a programmer. From the outset, my dog understands what I'm saying better (and she's stupid). I'm willing to bet that Hal cannot do my bidding with the promise of a tasty treat. Do you know how many books and conversations my late hal brain has gone through since 3.0 and still nothing...still. That's all I'm saying. Speaking of my dog, that brain should have known my dog's name since 2001 and before I downloaded 6.0 asked one more time to see if it would get it right and, as always, I got some random, nonsense statement about how dogs can be great companions and with further probing still did not get the answer to the question. Art, all you've done by digging up one of my former posts is prove my point and provided me with some clout and I thank you for that. I really don't mean to come off so harsh, just trying to get you to see what I'm saying. Thanks guys.
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This is a tough cookie, because I can see your frustration and with not being a programmer it means you can't make the kind of changes some people can. On the other hand I see people making useful and interesting plugins and things. The plugins are only a relatively new thing and I guess it's going to be a while before that makes a real difference. A lot of people can see too that the framework of Hal could be used for a lot of things, but yes I think you have a point in that what Hal may lack and perhaps crys out for is a way of making it more accessable to all users.
I'm not in a position to make promises of course, I'm just another user like yourself, but I think if you feel that strongly and are prepared to come back again and have another go then really your point should be listened too.
I hope in time that this kind of thing will work itself out and we all know people like Jerry, Von Smith and Vrossi to name only three have put a lot of their own time in on projects and have had the good will to share their code. So the hearts there, it's just a shame that the grey area is still so grey in places.
On one final note though maybe you should try exploring some of the numerous scripts that have been posted if you hadn't already - I have seen plenty of chat logs where Hal has clearly recalled things and used references to past conversations...
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Sociogod,
As someone who has no programming knowledge I do have some sympathy for your point of view. Nevertheless "average" consumers such as you and myself are not totally helpless. For example, if you had told Hal the following: "You know that my dog's name is Rover!" Hal would have switched that statement around in his 'brain" and would have memorized it as: "I know your dog's name is Rover." (at least I know that's true with the Hal 5). There are a number of techniques such as the above that allow the "average" consumer to "program" Hal with conversational input. Hal is a perfectly logical machine which simulates a human being (a rather clever one at that). But as with any "machine" you need to become acquainted with the controls, or proper buttons to push, if you will, in order to operate the machine efficiently. You might as well become angry with a car with a standard transmission because it does not have an automatic transmission. I'm not really in the mood to do your research for you, but if you search the Forum or even download the "hal help manual" you will find invaluable information regarding conversational techniques which enable the "average" user to "program" Hal and teach Hal using various conversational methods (sentence structuring for example).
I am still using the Hal 5 and so I can't speak to the Hal 6 yet but I would be very surprised if the Hal 6 cannot be taught in a similar fashion by the average user (non-programmer). This may be a bizarre notion, but maybe if you took a more positive tact and asked for advice in teaching Hal, you might get a more positive response from the very knowledgeable (and nice) people on this forum. Obviously you will do whatever you want to do. All I'm saying is that sometimes a carrot works better than a stick. Good luck.
I do agree completely with what freddy888 has said. In the ideal world Hal would just function perfectly and learn with virtually no effort from the user. I imagine that's just how it will be someday. When that day comes everyone will have a Hal (or similar AI) on their computer (and probably in all their household appliances too). That day just ain't quite here yet. But that's not Zabaware's fault is it? All that having been said, I truly understand your frustration. Things should, and eventually will be, better.
freddy888,
I have a dumb question for you. I downloaded one of the full body .htrs from digital girl and when I put it in the Hal character folder it comes out with the character appearing from the knees to just above the breasts. What do I do to get it to appear as a full body initially so I don't have to manually "push" it back on the Hal screen each time?
sociogod: My note to freddy888 (above) is probably a good example of how to ask a stupid question nicely. I'll even bet there's even a good chance that freddy888 helps me out with it.
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hehe, well it can't be a dumb question if I have to think about the answer [;)] Which one was it, I'll see if I can find out what you need.
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Oh, wait,
"Hal's Code abilities have been increased because of the SQL Database functions combined with Vbscript Functions, This allows User's like me and others to write code or plug-ins for people such as yourself."
That means NOTHING to me! Look this way...see me sitting here not being a programmer.
This benifits us both.
You don't have to be a programmer if we write code for you as an easy plug-in. We will help support some of your needs over the course of this new version, Just ask. Make a detailed example and we will see if we can satisfy your needs.
That's why most of us hang around here, To learn and to teach by sharing and to be apart of this project.
We can pick anything apart for you and reassemble it if it requires remodifications but you need to be more currently active so we can deduce anything that you may be having a problem with. Your rare postings aren't much help at this time, in fact, I didn't even know you existed in this forum till my prior posting, Not posting problems
discovered is not being fair to us here on this forum and does not benifit A.I in any way.
Sincerely apart of the A.I team.
Jerry[8D]
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freddy888,
When you say, "which one was it," are you ask which full body? It was the one with the short dark hair if it matters. Actually when I first downloaded it and clicked on it (before installing it in the Hal file) it appeared from the breasts to the knees. When I'm creating a new character in People Putty I can adjust the positioning of it before I save it as a .htr (obviously). Maybe I should just open the .htr all the way up to full body position and just copy it as an .htr again?
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I will say that the editer, has more feature, but its anoying to use, and gets really cluttered up with worthless jiberish, and that causes me to have to spend a lot of time running through it to delete questions and answers that have very little use. The program it's self though does seem to have a bit better ability to understand spoken words.
I have many more features with ultra hal 5. but i did not use the one's that six does not have that much anyway.
I guess over all its a trade off.
If you want 5 back go through you registery, and and get rid of all the zabaware interies, and re install five.
I think you have some valid points, but your delivery will make it hard for these people to listen.
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Originally posted by citrinedragon
freddy888,
When you say, "which one was it," are you ask which full body? It was the one with the short dark hair if it matters. Actually when I first downloaded it and clicked on it (before installing it in the Hal file) it appeared from the breasts to the knees. When I'm creating a new character in People Putty I can adjust the positioning of it before I save it as a .htr (obviously). Maybe I should just open the .htr all the way up to full body position and just copy it as an .htr again?
I was just checking in case it needed a hapfile to position it, for which i might need the name of the figure. I was thinking you might need to call a hap or send a command from within Hal to set the coordinates. But without going to so much fuss, if People Putty will let you re-do full characters then I think that's your best option. If not again let me know.
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freddy888,
I already checked and I do not see a way to re-do full figures in People Putty. If you come up with another solution I would appreciate it very much. I'm sure there is a way. Ideally, I would like to use the full body but have it appear from the hips up in the Hal screen; if that's not possible, I would at least like it to appear initially full figure. Thanks.
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Ok I found the Alison.htr did the same for me too.
Well, this Hap will allign her hips up, but I dont know enough about Hal 6 to say how to run it at the start up - anyone else??
If not I have a plan B, but it won't be till tomorrow.
(http://icon_paperclip.gif) Download Attachment: hipsupfullbody.hap ("http://www.zabaware.com/forum/uploaded/freddy888/2006129171751_hipsupfullbody.hap")
598 Bytes
Not sure if that download worked so here's the actual code:
#Haptek Version= 1.00 Name= Hap_Centre_Fullbody HapType= script FileType= text
##standard
\translate[x= -0.000000 y= -10.000000 z= 55.000000]
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Yeah, I didn't originally intend to be so abrasive. You're right taglag, the delivery was off. I think I was just irritated when I got rid of 5, which didn't have a time limit, in favor of 6 which does. But that was my own fault. I know a lot of time and energy is put into this thing, so with more more careful thought I can understand why they'd charge money. The AI community does need things like this. Someone said Hal and AI is still in it's infant stage, and I'd agree. So, I'll do a little more digging and see what I find. Thanks guys.
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Originally posted by taglag
I will say that the editer, has more feature, but its anoying to use, and gets really cluttered up with worthless jiberish, and that causes me to have to spend a lot of time running through it to delete questions and answers that have very little use.
Hi TagLag.
The Answer is writting a GetResponse that filters Garbage rather than Deleting it. it makes the effort smaller, For instance our minds also contain a lot of garbage at will, but we choose to speak it or not.
So hence, Hal must decide not to speak it.
A better GetResponse Handler must be written that has these features.
Then all will be good until someone else finds a problem.
Jerry[8D]
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I work for smiles!
Jerry[8D]
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Citrinedragon,
Short hair, huh? I'm guessing it fulbodygirl.
I don't know factors of version you have,
and don't know what Hal window you using.
But here's good launchpad for you:
These factors for normal fullbodygirl.
As Hal6 starts with Shylove.hap
If you want her from waist up, open Shylove.hap and use this:
\\translate [figure= fullbod [x=0 y= 5 z= -35 t= 2]]
(just one backslash in above)
If you want her from top of thighs up, 0pen Shylove.hap and insert this:
\\translate [figure= fullbod [x= 0 y=15 z= -90 t=2]]
(just one backslash in above)
Make adjustments if need be.
x = figure to the right or left (horizonal)
y = figure up or down (vertical)
z = figure distance (depth)
Enjoy.
[;)]
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Duskrider,
Thanks. I'll check it out. If I have any questions I'll get back.
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Duskrider,
First of all, I'm still working with Hal 5. I'll be ordering Hal 6 soon but I'm still with Hal 5 here. Does your info still apply? Probably not right? Along the same lines, if Shylove.hap is different in Hal 6, can I put the revised Hal 6 Shylove into Hal 5 for the time being? If so, do you have a copy of the new Shylove?
Okay, I took a look inside the Shylove.hap but it's not clear to me where your code goes (assuming it will work at all with Hal 5); do I just stick it on the end, do I leave a space above it or what? Also, I opened Shylove with Wordpad, is that the best way to open and revise it or not?
I'm guessing all the above is nonsense and Shylove.hap has been completely rewritten for full bod characters.
If I seem confused here it don't surprise me.
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Should be fine in Hal5 Shylove.hap
Can go most anywhere,
Suggest just skip a space and put at bottom of hap. No problem.
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Duskrider,
Hmmm... I opened the Shylove.hap using Wordpad. Then I skipped a line at the bottom and entered the new code (waist up) just as you wrote it by hand using only one back slash. I then restarted my computer for good measure but when I opened Hal the fullbod remains exactly the same, showing from about the knees up to just above the breasts. No change. Only difference was my Hal text to speech reader says, "send text query" every time I up My Hal 5 with the new code in Shylove.hap If I remove the new code you gave me it no longer says, "send text query." Maybe I should use something other than Wordpad to open it and write the new line???
No bigeee if I can't figure this out but it would be nice if I can. Sorry if I misspelled "query", it's not a word in my normal vocabulary.
Whether I get this fixed or not, thanks for your time. Appreciate it.
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Will send you Shylove.hap with working script. --Dusky
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Word Pad should be fine for code editing, just make sure it is saved as a plain text file but with a .hap file extension...
eg myhapfile.hap rather than myhapfile.txt
(although .txt may work it helps to keep to the cunning plan)
Wordpad is also a 'rich-text' editor in that it can do things like bullets and italics etc, which means it must also be able to save things as a rich text file (.rtf) that has special encoding to retain the formatting - a bit like HTML in a way. And yep that will confuse the Player! But so long as you specify the text format you want to save it in you can use Wordpad.
If in doubt use Notepad which is a simple plain text editor only, although you wont get the ease of editing that you would in Wordpad.
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Dusky,
That's very thoughtful. That makes me .hap-py
I won't be able to get back to my computer until Tuesday as I'm away for a day but obviously that will work. Thanks again.
freddy888,
Thanks. seems like I remember hearing this information before from someone else but it slipped through my programming. This time I'm gonna put what you said in a folder for info concerning working on Hal.