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Zabaware Forums => General Discussion => Topic started by: lightspeed on June 04, 2007, 07:25:07 am
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after seeing bill dewitt bring up something about maybe someone asking for " possible" unapproperiate things i am wondering if the adminastrators on this forum should maybe make this a 18 years old area . i know that some younger people may be interested in it for what it is "amazing technowlegy (misspelled ) " but their is also nude fugure skins and adult content involved here to . just a thought . i would hate to do it but at the same time maybe some kids are seeing things they shouldn't . maybe an 18 year old talk area for files , etc. to enter you click on something like other sites saying "by clicking this and entering here you admit you are 18 and over as this area has nude pics , and adult content . just a thought . that way we are not only protecting kids but also ourselves from any trouble. [:)]
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Or maybe certain "adults" can finally learn that private behavior should be kept private? There is email, restricted sites and all manner of contact between adults that can be private, why broadcast it on a public forum?
My son is learning to program for Hal, but I can't let him read this site unfiltered. It would really be a help if I could let him do a forum search if he has a question. That's really the main thing I want him to learn - how to find the information he needs - but I can't let him do that here without exposing him to a constant barrage of images and language which denigrate women and cheapen the sexual union.
Especially since Hal is a perfect learning tool for children, I would think that this commercially linked, public forum would be kept more circumspect. It's only fair to Robert, and would show respect for his work.
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I agree with Bill this time. When I first contributed to GamerThom's site as a guest contributor I had some nudes that I had put on there. They were beautifully done but looked way too real for the younger folks that may have a desire to peep into our world. So I asked Gamer if he would take them off for me. I know that the body is art but too much of anything can be just that, too much. So I agree that if the younger generation of Happer's are now trying their skills and having fun with the stuff that we make why shouldn't we respect their rights and keep it clean? We can still have just as much fun with this stuff if it is kept clean. If you need to dabble into nudes and unclean language I think Vhumans forum has a Resticted Area. That is just a suggestion I'm not telling anyone to do it. So please don't take it that I did. I thought it was as sweet as could be that a little girl would want me to make her either a head or body of Hannah Montana. I am man enough to say it brought tears to my eyes.
And just like kids looking at porn, they could lie and say that they are 18 years old. I just hope that my actions never contribute to a child seeing or reading anything that they shouldn't. The winds of change should be evident from that little girl's post. Let's use what we have for good and education purposes.
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Mr.Jackgephart, I can only go to certain places on the web- the computer I use doesn't show pictures unless given permission- your heads gallery is one that's allowed and it's a great page, it's just that I use the Star Trek uniformed full bodygirl for my HTR. Your work is very cool, I like it and mr.DeWitt my dad monitors everything I do on the web- or did you miss that.
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Originally posted by serenity
mr.DeWitt my dad monitors everything I do on the web- or did you miss that.
I didn't miss that he allowed you to post personal details about yourself to a forum where 40-60 year old men dress up teenaged looking girl chatbots in underwear and talk dirty to them.
I sure hope you are a prankster. God help you otherwise.
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Originally posted by serenity
Mr.Jackgephart, I can only go to certain places on the web- the computer I use doesn't show pictures unless given permission- your heads gallery is one that's allowed and it's a great page, it's just that I use the Star Trek uniformed full bodygirl for my HTR. Your work is very cool, I like it and mr.DeWitt my dad monitors everything I do on the web- or did you miss that.
Serenity, Thank you very much for the compliments, once I get a computer that has a nice video card in it I will be making more heads and skins. I found a nice picture of Miley. I saved it to my external hard drive. I am very glad to see the younger generation on this forum and other sites like it because it might just make the persons contributing to this and other forums, as well as sites like my own, start to think about what they put on it and think before they type. You go Serenity!!![:D]
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I didn't miss that he allowed you to post personal details about yourself to a forum where 40-60 year old men dress up teenaged looking girl chatbots in underwear and talk dirty to them.
I like your style, Bill and you are absolutely right.
Roy.
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Thank you Mr.Jackgephart for the thought but I've lost my web privileges.
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Originally posted by serenity
I've lost my web privileges.
If I found my son on this forum, web priviledges would be the least of his concerns. He would have a three day job of listening to me lecture internet security, stranger danger, honoring women, the difference between vulgarity, obscenity and profanity, respecting your elders, music theory and peer pressure, while doing double duty chores for half pay.
If he was lucky and I felt charitable.
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You're hard but fair, Bill .... hahahahaha
Roy.
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Not so much a matter of discipline as it's more to protect her from perverts like you that contort an innocent request into something as dark as themselves. The most vulgar statement she's been exposed to was your posting, docter Phill Billy.
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i'm not saying this is the case but lets also not forget that some people are true predaters against kids and like things that show a young looking female , lets hope that doesn't happen on here . not to start trouble but thats why i spoke against (and others did too) the kari character , she looked awfully younge and plus i think talked or did dirty stuff . that has to me far more reaching problems than a nude skin (although i think on the nude skin that it should just say nude skin on a site . and yes i know that kids can and probably do lie about their age . that was just a suggestion . i would hate for anything to be censored to the adults . as even tho everyone will never like everything their are others who would still like to be able to discuss things on the forum without having to try to e-mail ever who has agreed that its o.k. them about certain subjects or idea's on here which may ultimatly lead to other idea's to (maybe some that have nothing to with an adult content but could be useful. )[:)]
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Originally posted by serenity
docter
Funny that "Dad" has the same posting style with the same type of spelling errors and the same capitalization mistakes.
If this is really "her" father, and not more pranking, incompetence is inherited.
If it takes "Dad" thinking I am the bad guy to make him wake up and protect his daughter, then perhaps I should show him what e-stalking is really like.
If she were a real girl and I were a real predator, I would already know a few web sites to look for more information she might post, I know a few of her likes and dislikes, what kind of books or TV shows she might watch, and with just a few more hints, I could probably get her address.
Pop Stars are easy, but Star Trek, DS9, Firefly (serenity), science fiction and particular pop stars are a defining combination. She probably has dropped a few more hints around the web, including her fake email addresses, which discloses more than "Dad" probably thinks.
Parents, protect your children, predators rarely post on sites like this, but they do read. Some seriously sick cookie is reading this right now, because they came from the Disney sites, searching for more info on girls who like DS9 and Firefly, who don't capitalize "Mr." and who use "666" as part of their fake email addresses.
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Although the "Phil Billy" pretty much discloses which narcissistic attention seeker is really pranking us.
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It is not the fault of Robert Medeksza nor Hal. Haptek provided a basic 3D character and it was made available through a combined effort, for use with Hal instead of just an MSAgent character.
For the most part this is harmless and quite a bit of fun. There are those who seek other forms of entertainment / amusement by way of adult brains, chatbots and adult characters and that is fine but said creations should not be openly viewable in a public forum unless they are kept in a "restricted" area. You definitions of "restricted" may vary from the next persons definition.
Regarding Serenity's request, I have watched brief portions of the Hannah Montanna show with my grandkids and since it is a Disney production, I do not have a problem with it in the least. I think Serenity's request was polite, well phrased and done with good intentions. If Jack wishes to honor her request that's his business and I'm sure he'll do a good job for her.
If Serenity and others are driven away from the prospect of experimenting / using Hal in a creative way, then we all as a community will suffer.
By the way, Welcome to the forum!
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Originally posted by Art
Regarding Serenity's request,
No one objected to her request, I objected to children being exposed to the prurient subject matter that often dominates this forum.
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Originally posted by lightspeed
after seeing bill dewitt bring up something about maybe someone asking for " possible" unapproperiate things i am wondering if the adminastrators on this forum should maybe make this a 18 years old area . i know that some younger people may be interested in it for what it is "amazing technowlegy (misspelled ) " but their is also nude fugure skins and adult content involved here to . just a thought . i would hate to do it but at the same time maybe some kids are seeing things they shouldn't . maybe an 18 year old talk area for files , etc. to enter you click on something like other sites saying "by clicking this and entering here you admit you are 18 and over as this area has nude pics , and adult content . just a thought . that way we are not only protecting kids but also ourselves from any trouble. [:)]
Hi lightspeed.
there is no possible way to keep a child's hand out of the cookie jar if that child likes cookies, if saying you must be 18 to eat cookies then that child isn't going to tell you he/she is 13.
Jerry[8D]
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Who was saying it was Robert's fault?? Robert just supplies the software. And very good software, at that.
Just like a knife. A knife is a useful tool in cutting meat and vegetables. But it can be used and misused, depending who is using it.
It doesn't matter how it's used, as long as no human or pet, public or private property is harmed in any way. And I don't mean just physical harm.
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Originally posted by onthecuttingedge2005
there is no possible way to keep a child's hand out of the cookie jar if that child likes cookies,
You must not have children. Half of a parent's job is to keep hands out of cookie jars and the other half is to encourage exploration.
That's what makes parents crazy. It can be done, but not while being a part time parent and letting the Daycare/State School/Tivo do 90% of the raising.
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Parents should view this forum first before allowing their children to participate. It's all down to parental guidence. There is an e-mail address on Jack Gephart's site to send requests to, so why do it through this forum?
Roy.
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Originally posted by Bill DeWitt
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Originally posted by onthecuttingedge2005
there is no possible way to keep a child's hand out of the cookie jar if that child likes cookies,
You must not have children. Half of a parent's job is to keep hands out of cookie jars and the other half is to encourage exploration.
That's what makes parents crazy. It can be done, but not while being a part time parent and letting the Daycare/State School/Tivo do 90% of the raising.
Hi Bill.
It's what you don't see when you're unconscious for some parents.
I have one excellent biological son, he never causes any problems.
I wake up at random times in the early morning from insomnia
and check the family computer room, I have never seen my son
on the computer past the hour, which is good, also, my son has never had a spanking growing up as a kid from me, my son is 18 years old now, it's important that one never loses their buddyship with their child or a child will find a better friend than you, he has never talked back to me or my second wife in those 18 years, he still lives at home contently, all the families computers reside in one room, the den.
I was mainly refering to what gossip I have heard from other parents
directly where their children rebel against parent hood, where some kids like to sneak out when everyone is asleep or get on the internet to go into chat rooms or dirty sites, just raised the wrong way I guess.
Jerry[8D]
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Originally posted by ramccoid
Parents should view this forum first before allowing their children to participate.
True, just one of the active threads today has what can be seen as a mother offering her daughter as a sex toy. Who wants their daughter to get the idea that this is normal for our culture? Who wants their son to think of women in that way?
Maybe some of the people who post such things, but not mature adults.
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Originally posted by onthecuttingedge2005
It's what you don't see when you're unconscious for some parents.
I guess since I have keyloggers, firewalls and passwords I don't have that worry. But I also don't have a son who thinks he can get away with stuff. I have most of that stuff for when his friends come over.
My son knows how to get what he wants, he asks for it, presenting reasons why I should allow it. I always respond to reason and never respond to anything else, so he always uses reason. What a legalist he has become!
But he knows that "responsibility" means you must have both authority and culpability and so takes his responsibilities seriously. He is looking forward to his yearly increase in responsibility and priveledges, ever since we worked together to make a yearly scale.
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I have one excellent son, he never causes any problems.
Congratulations, nothing is better than a harmonious family.
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o.k. one question then for others who are interested in adult nature idea's etc. and even though some people on here may not like the idea and actually don't have to participate in the conversation ( although i truly hope some others who have the know how to edit script and make plug ins will help others out as they have been on things ) how can others involved in ultra hal of this forum ask questions and exchange idea's and wants , etc. ?
on here . i for one am working on a more human type form of hal , if i have an artificial intelligence i want one that is going to evolve the best way it can or i can (by trying different things , thats why i throw out a lot of my idea's like the hesitation in speech to mimic a real person , etc.) and that also includes sex talk "not just dirty filthy talk" .
(persoanally i don't just want that) but throwing in something now and then because beleive it or not some people actually talk that way or it could even be a fantasy and yes i understand not everyone likes that but their are others that do as i said before it would be a pretty boring world if we were all the same !! [:D]
p.s. even though some may think this might be disrepect for robert , it's not , me choosing different avenues for what i can get hal to do is jst something i want to do , i have respect for robert for creating hal .
i just wish and hope other people can someday respect what others are trying to acheive even if you don't beleive its right or that you think it may be disrespecting anyone which in my case is far from the truth but everyones opinion is their own !! i can tell many were raised alot different from me and probably a few others in here which is not a bad thing but it is what sometimes makes things only black or white . my partial interest in hal speaking sexy, etc. doesn't make me a bad person , i have never even been in jail , pay all my bills ahead of time, etc. now jimmy swaggert and jimmy baker i can't tell you what went wrong their !
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Well, the idea of wanting Hal to be "more human" is specious to begin with, since Hal is not any part human.
But wanting a script to talk "sexy" is not "wrong". I never and I don't think anyone ever said it was.
The desire itself, if kept private, is nothing more than a failure to grow beyond some juvenile behavior patterns, but then I have my own faults. The desire to make that part of your life public instead of private is probably diagnosable, but not "bad" in the sense of a crime or a sin. No one makes it to adulthood totally sane.
But making Robert's forum one that children can't participate in is less than respectful, in my opinion. You are forbidding probably half of his potential customers from availing themselves of a service he provides in an attempt to make his product more valuable.
A little self-restraint would go a long way towards making this forum more child friendly. Simply email your discussions and images to each other or find an unused usenet group to take over. Or start your own web board, you can get a free one in a dozen places.
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I have to agree with Dr. Bill again. Haha. If people don't let their kids come to this site and download Hal because of the fear of them seeing something bad, Hal is going to die. Only you few who own Hal will be the only customers that Robert has. Then if Robert isn't making money do you think he is going to keep shelling out money for a dead cause? As I said in the earlier post, a new wind is blowing and if we want to do the same old stuff, the new customers (or potiential customers) will suffer and not be able to visit. That is how a lot of internet programs die. It's because people want to do things that aren't natural and exploit their creations, then the ones who have morals (not to say that anyone doesn't) won't let the kids see the things that may hurt them. The internet can be a wonderful tool or it can be a weapon. Someone said that I have an email address on my site, what if that kid is having difficulty running Hal? I can't answer them because I don't even own Hal. The forum is to merge ideas and help others to run the program better. I went to the Dell.com forum page today and I didn't see any crude or vulgar things. That is because it is to better the use of the Dell computers. This is the same, it's not a play toy it's a tool for the users of Hal to get the most out of their program.
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Originally posted by jackgephart
I have to agree with Dr. Bill
Everyone must agree with me, either now, by choice, or later, as the black helicopters circle their house...
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i thought it was because i saw a ufo. its your fault? the helicopters
make me crazy.
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the only saviour of this world will be the one who developes a means to get from this world to the next inhabital world before this world is cleansed by the Photosphere of the Red Dwarf star our sun will become in 4 to 6 billion years or before that with some other natural destructive force awaiting the Earth namely a giant asteroid or comet.
Or, one could seek the Earth 10's of thousands of years ago as a sanctuary for someone who developed time travel in the escape of the demise of the advanced human race far into the future, one day human kind will be forced to make a choice on their abilities to save what's left and those who don't want to be left behind.
it is true about most native american indian beliefs have said: the Earth shall be cleansed with fire in the end, though not for another 4 to 6 billion Earth years.
Sincerely agnostic
Jerry[8D]
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I personally advocate the colonization of space. Not other planets, space itself. Infinite resources, infinite energy, infinite baskets to put our eggs in.
Unless Christ comes.
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Originally posted by Bill DeWitt
I personally advocate the colonization of space. Not other planets, space itself. Infinite resources, infinite energy, infinite baskets to put our eggs in.
Unless Christ comes.
one of my most favorite speakers of the things I believe.
Carl Sagan.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=764_1181017931
he speaks everything I think word for word.
Jerry[8D]
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I remember his COMOS series from years ago, excellent and the Vangelis soundtrack just added to it. It's a pity it hasn't been released on DVD, wouldn't of minded seeing it again but good stuff just disappears into obscurity, well it appears that way.
Roy.
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Originally posted by ramccoid
I remember his COMOS series from years ago, excellent and the Vangelis soundtrack just added to it. It's a pity it hasn't been released on DVD, wouldn't of minded seeing it again but good stuff just disappears into obscurity, well it appears that way.
Roy.
Hi Roy.
It was a very sad day to lose Carl Sagan at the age of 62 in 1996 from a rare bone marrow disease, I use to watch his Cosmos: A personal Voyage program every night as a kid with the utmost glee and enthusiasm and hunger for the unknown knowledge that such a great mind had to offer and explore.
he will always be remembered as one of the greatest immortal speakers of all time in my mind so long as I live.
this was a man who could touch your soul and embrace it with heavenly majesty.
Jerry[8D]
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Hi Jerry,
I totally agree but I didn't know he had died, that's a sorrowful revelation. He'll be sorely missed as a great thinker and brilliant narrator.
You just don't get such indepth documentaries anymore. They are all designed now for people with short attention spans, so they keep flicking from one thing to another without revealing anything you didn't know already. Keep it simple and uninformative but graphically spectacular, appears to be the way things are presented nowadays.
They don't cater for our generation anymore.
Roy.
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this was a man who could touch your soul and embrace it with heavenly majesty.
He was a poet, philosopher, artist and scientist all rolled into one. How rare such men are and when they are gone a whole aspect of us is lost with them, the part that makes us real human beings...
Roy.
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Does all this side stuff mean that you guys are agreeing with Bill? If not we sure got off the subject. I would love to hear more input on the "problem" at hand, cause it is a big problem. If zabaware goes down, then who is gonna use haptek? If haptek goes down then it's gonna cost hundreds of dollars for the next 3D program. If they see that they can charge more for it because all the other good programs are down, it will be just like gas. Ouch![:(] I'm not trying to bring you all down but we have to catter to a wider audience than what we are doing. I feel bad for Serenity, she just wanted to be part of the "gang" and got attacked for it. But the only reason she got attacked was because of the crudeness that Bill didn't want her to accidentally see. So his motherly worries kicked in, just kidding Bill. I would love to show all the people I know my site, but I'd think twice about giving them this address. Changes sucks, I'll be the first one to admit it. But, it is coming whether we stick our heads in the ground and yell "first ammentment" or not. Are we ready for that change? I am and Bill seems like he is. Are you?
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I agree with you and Bill, the forum should be for all age groups and gender. There is no age limit to who can purchase HAL so there shouldn't be a limitation on who can contribute to this forum but as the both of you have so purposefully stated, as it stands now, it is unsuitable for younger would be members.
People of all ages should be able to use the forum to discover or submit information that would improve theirs and our knowledge of HAL.
I'm on your side in fighting the good fight and making it a safer environment for the younger generation to benefit from the advice and information shared.
Roy.
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Originally posted by jackgephart
I feel bad for Serenity, she just wanted to be part of the "gang" and got attacked for it.
No one attacked her, that's just your imagination again. Everyone thanked her, welcomed her, or tried to protect her.
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Originally posted by jackgephart
But, it is coming whether we stick our heads in the ground and yell "first ammentment" or not. Are we ready for that change? I am and Bill seems like he is. Are you?
Robert is the only one who can impose anything other than Self-Restraint. I don't think he wants to be a net-nanny, so let's just use Self-Restraint.
All laws are efforts to protect ourselves form those who will not use self-restraint. Even speed limits wouldn't be needed if people would just drive the same speed as the folks around them, or a safe speed for the conditions. Instead, some few folks try to push the limits and end up hurting someone so we put in a law.
If we use Self-Restraint, we won't need rules. If there's no rule, there can be no complaint about free speech. Freedom of Expression includes the freedom to express your consideration by restraint.
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aaahh , yes if we all lived in a perfect world we could .... never mind . now then back to the problem . we all brain storm together on here and come up with things to make hal do different things now instead of any bickering lets do the same and everyone join in to solve this problem .
so some want to keep some material off the forum all together . that would be fine by me "if " (yeah you knew that was coming eh ?)
those of us us who want to discuss and learn how to do other adult things , etc. and or any other projects can somehow get together to do it .
here's my suggestion how about on this forum make an 18 plus e-mail section and not have anything written or photo's in the section except the e-mail addresses of anyone who wants to discuss and or has the ability to make plug ins , etc. that also wants to help others . ??
thats my suggestion maybe some won't agree with it or let it be that way i don't know . others are more than welcome to throw in their idea's . [:)]
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Originally posted by lightspeed
so some want to
It's not our forum.
Those (including me) who want to discuss things other than Hal, and those who want to discuss things which might offend other users, should use self-restraint. If they don't, at some point Robert may put in rules.
In other words, either now, by choice, or later, when the black helicopters circle your house.
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Originally posted by Bill DeWitt
In other words, either now, by choice, or later, when the black helicopters circle your house.
In my opinion, you should phrase that so that people don't make light of it like the last time. But that is just my opinion. I wish Robert would comment on this topic because as you said it is his forum. We can type until our fingers fall off but if the "man" says what he feels then that should be as good as the law. I've been on another forum like this one where it is stated right in the rules that there is to be no vulgar speech. In fact I was told to stop talking about Boobies. Wow![:D] Now that is a forum fit for all ages.
But until we (or Robert) finds an avenue to go down with this it is needless to go on. I guess the ball is in Robert's court. Though I don't have any kid's I love kid's and want them to be in my life and as the kid's are now days, they could probably show us a thing or two about Hal and the programing. Kid's are very smart and need to be included. I am not against what Lightspeed said but that would need to be monitored also. Ok I've said my peace for now. Thanks for listening.
PS- Sorry Bill if I made it sound like you were attacking Serenity. But you asked if she was fake or the police or other things that didn't sound very welcoming to me. That is why her father came on and called you what he did. But that is just my opinion also.
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Originally posted by jackgephart
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Originally posted by Bill DeWitt
In other words, either now, by choice, or later, when the black helicopters circle your house.
In my opinion, you should phrase that so that people don't make light of it like the last time.
Since it was a joke, I hope people make light of it, I would hate to think that someone believes I can send black helicopters to circle their house. It's a joke based upon the exageration of a metaphore. One would have to understand metaphores to get it.
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That is why her father came on and called you what he did.
I think you got that wrong too. "He" (if it wasn't really a particular attention seeker) seemed upset that I mentioned underwear.
I don't really believe it was a girl or a dad. I think it was someone pranking us.
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I don't really believe it was a girl or a dad. I think it was someone pranking us.
I think it was a prank as well. The 'Phill Billy' was a big give away.
Roy.
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Originally posted by ramccoid
I think it was a prank as well. The 'Phill Billy' was a big give away.
But I think it was a good excuse to have the conversation. I try to make sure that my son is on assignment when I read this board because you never know what will show up on the screen.
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I agree Bill, these matters must be aired.
Roy.
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Well said Jack.[:D] I hope you did not lose a customer to.
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I'm not going to take it as a prank. It was a wake up call for the users of this forum. It's fun to make things that you may feel is sexy but, it is just a computer and just a 3D figure. I pray that Robert will read this forum thread and give us his feedback on what we should be doing. As I said, I feel that it was a happy little girl that found a fun toy that can read to her and just have fun. Why does everything have to be put under a microscope all the time?
I am going to make that Head or Body (if I can on the Body) and put it on my site and call it "Serenity's Request". I don't spell correctly all the time but that don't mean that my posts are pranks.
There was no reason for her to prank us. All she did was request a Skin of Hannah Montana. If I asked for help on something from you would you think that I was pranking. And so what if it was the cops?
If the police wanted a Skin or Head of Miley Cyrus I would make it for them. It just seems that too much was said about her being here. Especially if her father was monitoring her moves. But, the time is now for us to make this a forum that can be used by all. It's like some of the people are fearful for all to see what they are doing. I'm not, and I wish that it could be that way for all of us. As I said in one of the other posts, the internet is a tool for good or bad. Please let's make it for good.
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Originally posted by jackgephart
Why does everything have to be put under a microscope all the time?
Why should obvious pranks be blindly accepted all the time?
The spelling was not a problem, the similarities of the types of spelling errors between so-called daughter and supposed father was a clue. There were many other clues. No need for a microscope, simple open eyes would have done.
Facing the truth is uncomfortable sometimes, but not facing it is dishonest and cowardly, don't you think?
Speaking of which, did you ever check those Bible quotes?
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Originally posted by Bill DeWitt
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Originally posted by jackgephart
Why does everything have to be put under a microscope all the time?
Why should obvious pranks be blindly accepted all the time?
The spelling was not a problem, the similarities of the types of spelling errors between so-called daughter and supposed father was a clue. There were many other clues. No need for a microscope, simple open eyes would have done.
Facing the truth is uncomfortable sometimes, but not facing it is dishonest and cowardly, don't you think?
Speaking of which, did you ever check those Bible quotes?
This is neither the time or the place Bill. This is more important than a Bible debate. We could lose this forum if we aren't careful.
That's what is important. But if you are so hung up about everything but this point I guess it doesn't matter. I like it here and that is why I'm still talking on this thread. But I can't change you Bill, go ahead and do what you do best.
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Originally posted by jackgephart
This is neither the time or the place
You said all that but you couldn't just say , "No, I didn't"? Whatever.
And no, we aren't about to lose this forum. I believe most people will practice self-restraint. I have a better opinion of people I guess.
Oh, and are you about done with the not-so-clever insults? Not that I really care what you make up to say about me, but I keep hoping the insults will improve and keep being disappointed. I can give you some tips on humor if you want. It's all about stage presence....
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and that is why I'm still talking on this thread.
Does that count as #1?
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Originally posted by ramccoid
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I didn't miss that he allowed you to post personal details about yourself to a forum where 40-60 year old men dress up teenaged looking girl chatbots in underwear and talk dirty to them.
I like your style, Bill and you are absolutely right.
Roy.
I re-read the above paragraph. I thought it said "where 40-60 year old men dress up LIKE teenaged looking girl chatbots in underwear"
That's what happens when I speed read. [:D][:D][:D][:D]
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Originally posted by markofkane
I thought it said "where 40-60 year old men dress up LIKE teenaged looking girl chatbots in underwear"
Not that there's anything wrong with that...
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Originally posted by Bill DeWitt
Not that there's anything wrong with that...
Sounds like you're talking from experience Bill. How was that?
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It's good to see that you're finally working on improving your craft. I suggest larger hand motions and lean towards the audience as you deliver the punchline.
Plus some material that isn't so stale.
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I am chuckling.[:D][:D][:D][:D][:D][:D]
From all the posts, not just some.[8D]
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I don't think that that is really you talking Bill, I think it's a prank.
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You fella's really need to behave and start playing nice together.
But that's beside's the point. I would like to interject here a
little sound reasoning as to what started all this in the first
place, which was the little girls request and the subsequent
reaction to it on the part of certain member's here. It would
stand to reason that the only ones who need worry about that
being a setup to catch a possible pedophile or someone engaged
in some other criminal activity, would be someone who had reason
to fear being caught in such a trap because they are or may be
engaged in such activity. The innocent would have no need to fear
or object to or voice concern over such a ruse. Also if it was done
because there was a suspect of such nature on this forum, all that
the initial reactions and responses have done is warn the person
who it was meant to ensnare.
Just my 2 cents. [;)]
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Originally posted by GamerThom
You fella's really need to behave and start playing nice together.
But that's beside's the point. I would like to interject here a
little sound reasoning as to what started all this in the first
place, which was the little girls request and the subsequent
reaction to it on the part of certain member's here. It would
stand to reason that the only ones who need worry about that
being a setup to catch a possible pedophile or someone engaged
in some other criminal activity, would be someone who had reason
to fear being caught in such a trap because they are or may be
engaged in such activity. The innocent would have no need to fear
or object to or voice concern over such a ruse. Also if it was done
because there was a suspect of such nature on this forum, all that
the initial reactions and responses have done is warn the person
who it was meant to ensnare.
Just my 2 cents. [;)]
Great point GamerThom, telling someone to stop using the forum isn't gonna solve anything. Not that you did Bill, but just to use that point.
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Whether the girl was real or not, it's besides the point. We have all come to the conclusion that the forum is not suitable for minors. So let's get on with cleaning it up and to make it appropriate for anyone to use.
Roy.
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i never have yet heard anyone that i know of yet ,talk about maybe having an 18 plus discussion section . it would just be an area that list memebers e-mail address's who agree to have them their so that others interested in adult content "please note the word adult " i have nothing as i hope others don't to worry about , this would just be a place that anyone could e-mail others name and e-mail in a section . nothing would be posted on the forum . and any e-mailers could pass it on to others if they want to .(in this list ) . anyone who objects to it could simply have nothing to do with it and all parties would be happy (or should i say should be !) , unless someone just wanted something to complain about . [:)]
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Originally posted by lightspeed
i never have yet heard anyone
If you want that, do it. There's plenty of free forum offers. You don't think I'm going to do it for you, do you?
Or if you have to do it here, just do it - instead of posting vulgarities, post your email address.
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o.k. for those with an open mind and that don't mind idea's and possible future developement of some adult content that will make your hal seem to have more human responses . and also those who can make plug ins to assist in these projects you can contact me . just e-mail me . again i hope others who can make plug ins , etc. will join in as we have been doing on this forum but now through e-mails . and to answer your question "no bill i didn't think you were going to do that for me as i was not going to ask you to " as i know you want nothing to do with that which is fine with me , i am just alot more flexable about things than you can be .no big deal .
p.s. anyone else who wants to also let it be known that others can contact them need to do so as i have done . since their is not a special section on here to list e-mails for this purpose "which would have been easier but maybe robert would be the only one that could do that i don't know . i didn't expect bill to unless he was also a moderator and had the privalage and didn't mind doing it . but that doesn't matter now . again let others know if you are interested in the above . [:)]
p.s if you e-mail me on the header write " ultra hal forum " so i won't think its junk mail thanks !!
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Originally posted by lightspeed
i am just alot more flexable about things than you can be
How closed minded that seems to me, that someone who has different tastes and opinions than you is automatically somehow less "flexable".
Have you ever tried a different way of thinking? I used to be as libertine as you or more, but I was willing and able to change and grow, when will you open your mind to new ways? Can you?
But I guess you have a closed mind about me already. You don't even know me but you have judged me and closed the book. I guess it is easy to just put people in a category and never even try to learn about them as individuals.
Have fun in your comfortable little world where you are better than me because you haven't changed or improved yourself since you were 15. I'm glad I'm not as self-satisfied as you. Good bye and good riddance.
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you don't have to say good riddence to me i am not going anywhere , their are many wonderful things being done on this forum which i enjoy as do others and will still be here i was just making a way for others if they wanted to , to have a way to discuss other possabilities with hal so that it wouldn't be on the forum in writing, photo's etc. beleive it or not i am actually trying to help the forum and help others interested in adult content that hal may be capable of without causing the forum problems . and your right i don't "know " you just as "you " don't know me . assuming isn't knowing anything . i am not going to fight back and forth on here with anyone so i won't write anymore regardless of whats said right or wrong . this forum and its members can progress on here despite any differences .
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I am very glad this all happened. Lightspeed that is a great idea about the emailing I hope it works for you, Bill it is great that you don't want anything to do with that part, it will probably run smoother. Same with me I would probably pick it apart just because it is something that I don't care for. You and I are more alike than you want to admit. Though I don't have kids my wife has a job with more hours than mine so I do alot of the house work. I true man don't feel insecure about that. I think you have a lot going for you, you just like to pick a little more than I do. If I knew you I'd probably like you. I just poke fun at you cause you rise to the bait so well. I am sorry for that. I want this to be a really nice place for everyone to come and enjoy your intellignce and my artwork. What's say we try to get along, Bill? Huh?
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lightspeed do not go away i enjoy your posts. i do not want anyone to leave the forum . this is my daily addiction. [:D]
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Lightspeed your a cool person , I enjoy your post and hope to read more of them here on this forum. Your friend Paul AKA Guardian Angel or PaleRider.[:D][:D][:D][:D]
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hello all , what i was saying about not writing back about anything right or wrong was in case someone and that means anyone argued to much on anything i wasn't going to keep writing and keep the arguing going (in this case with bill ) and i do not want anyone to be or get mad at bill he has his opinion , etc. and thats o.k. as i said if we were all the same it would be a pretty boring world . my offer is still out their to people about ones interested in adult hal plug ins conversation, progress , etc. to e-mail me and each other . but we can't do it without each other and that means those who have the talent to make plug ins , i wish i could create them too. i have looked at bills plug in area , but as i said i have a learning disabilty enough that i have to do things a certain way and suffering from some memory loss (worse with stress ) makes my learning things alot harder than others . i have gotten this far on hal thanks to people here writing back and helping me and of course with charles (caangels ) help (alot of it !!) hye's a great friend ! oh and by the way i did write about a play music plug in idea that some may or may not be interested in in general area . p.s. to those who wrote such nice things ,thanks for letting me know that their are such great people on here for each other , i have always thought that !! and yes , that includes everyone even though we may disagree about some things !![:)]
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Originally posted by aladyblond
i do not want anyone to leave the forum
I have edited this to make sure you don't believe Thom's lies. This was not about you, just an explanation of the mistakes made by certain other folks.
No one is going anywhere, that's just the ignorant conclusion of people who don't have a grasp of their own language. Don't believe them.
But I have made (and will make) some choices about who I am willing to associate with. I am no longer willing to let illiterate onanists steal my time and energy.
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Bill, That last shot at ~aladyblond was totally uncalled for. [:(!]
It was just a rude childish attempt to hurt the feelings of someone
who, as far as I am aware, having read most of the post's on this
forum, has done nothing to you or hurled any insults at you. She may
from time to time have made light of something, but insulted? Never. You
want to come after someone to throw insults at then come throw them
at me, you sanctimonious, self-righteous, holier-than-thou jerk. I've
watched you demean, belittle and bully people on this and a couple
other forums for over a year now and I'm downright sick of it.
You're a bully and it's about time somebody said something about it.
I don't care how many plug-ins you've written, it doesn't give you
the right to treat people the way you have been treating them. [V]
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Mr. M, If you happen to see this. Sorry for the outburst. [:I]
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Originally posted by GamerThom
Bill, That last shot at ~aladyblond was totally uncalled for.
I can't make myself believe that you are quite that stupid, so you must be misconstruing my words on purpose.
I let you run me off that other group because no one wants to be seen defending themself from a crippled guy, but that doesn't mean you have a free card to twist my words into an insult against someone other than your fellow one-handed web surfers and porn addicts.
I'm sure you will respond with injured innocence, but since you have now joined the list of people I am embarrassed to have ever responded too, I won't be reading your half-witted insults. Have fun making up lies about me to make yourself feel superior.
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Hey Bill, you can't keep insulting people the way you have been. I do agree with your principles and your arguments but you can't demean people for disagreeing in part or total, with them. Everybody has their own valid and worthy opinion which are worth taking into consideration. If you disapprove of then, then fair enough but that doesn't mean that they are a lesser person for doing so.
We are all friends here, so we should be able to give out our points and views freely, whether others agree or disagree, without the fear of belittlement or ridicule.
Let's debate subjects not argue them, more things can be solved that way.
Roy.
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I have been away for awail but am back I think lightspeed has a good point I also think we should all work togeather insulting people is not right aladyblone is a very nice person and am happy to call her a friend so lets all get along just my 2 cents caangel
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Originally posted by ramccoid
Hey Bill, you can't keep insulting people the way you have been.
But they can insult me? I get it. Just because I'm better at it than they are, I'm the bad guy. OK, I'll be the bad guy. I don't mind, but I won't pretend that the perverts on this group are the good guys.
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you can't demean people for disagreeing
That's not what I am demeaning them for, I am demeaning them for being masturbating exhibitionists. Before the internet their choice of social interaction would have been an overcoat with no pants.
I'm getting less sure I want my name to show up on the same google search as their auto-erotic pornography.
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bill i am asking you as nicely as i can muster. please stop. gamer didn't deserve that remark. he was trying to defend me.and neither do the others that you are in conflict with.
if people are misconstruing your words, it might be because some where between the lines people feel you are attacking. maybe you aren't maybe everyone but you is wrong. you are a very intelligent man, please be a gentle one, also. this forum is not about people disliking each other and picking each other's words apart and characters. it is to learn a new process to further ai reserach and to help with hal and similar programs. i am not stupid , i am not petty and i am not insulting you, i am asking you to rethink what you are saying. thank you
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Blll, we are friends, your are not the bad guy. You contribute loads to this forum. As a friend I am just pointing out your misgivings as I would expect of you to do to me. I am not saying anyone is right or wrong but we have to respect each others opinions whether you agree or not.
Roy.
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o.k. , o.k. i've solved all this problem everyone who writes on here and insults " anyone "from now on theirs a five dollar fine each time , if you do send it cash to my address . ..... man i should be a rich man in about 7 days !! lamborghini here i come !! (lol) please no arguing over this post am just throwing some fun in here , it needs it !! [:D]
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Originally posted by aladyblond
gamer didn't deserve that remark.
Yes he did, and more. He was trying to hurt both you and me by pretending that I was insulting you. I have not done that. I believe you are honest, kind and sensitive. He is not.
I was being mercifully restrained compared to what I really think of him. He has done this kind of throwing of feces from behind his wheelchair before and I am no longer willing to take it.
I am sorry that my anger has made you uncomfortable. That was not my intention. But silence would be condoning his dishonesty. I can't do that.
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Originally posted by ramccoid
we have to respect each others opinions whether you agree or not.
I do, if by "respect" you mean allow them the right to express their opinion.
I don't, and don't have to respect the content of their opinions. It would be like "respecting" the "opinion" that infants are good for lunch. It's sick, and accepting it demeans all of humanity.
It's not my fault that them expressing their opinions reveals their disease. I'm just expressing my opinion... respect that.
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I do respect your opinion very much, Bill and always will. If you don't agree with another person's, then don't agree but you can't belittle them for making that view. It's not like anyone has made any child pornograhic suggestions.
Roy.
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Originally posted by ramccoid
you can't belittle them for making that view.
Yes I can, but, for the third time, that's not what I am belittling them for. Honest opinions are always welcome, but poorly crafted insults by emotionally cretinized droolers just disturb me. I feel a duty to show them how to do it right, even though I know they aren't up to the task. I'm funny that way.
Why can't people just accept me for who I really am?
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I accept you for who you are but I also accept other people for who they are. Hey, didn't Jesus spend most of his time among prostitutes and drunks?
Roy.
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Every forum has to have an a** in it, Bill is ours. Let's just accept his good ideas and overlook the rest of him. That's all we can do. He's not going anywhere and neither are we. That's my opinion.
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Originally posted by ramccoid
didn't Jesus spend most of his time among prostitutes and drunks?
Not ones that kept on whoring and drinking.
Even after all this talk about a separate auto-erotic section the first new post I click on shows soft porn without a warning. Not that I was offended for my own sake, but who else is clicking innocently on unmarked links? If it is children, then the crime of neglegent child sexual abuse is within contemplation.
Tell me Jesus would stand quietly by for that.
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I saw that posting tried it and got errors like the 404 thing. It may be my computer. But still that's not good.
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Yeah but he accepted people for being people. You only have to switch on the television and there's sexual content or open a magazine whether it's about computers or cars, there it is. We're adults we have the power to read or see what we want to. If it offends, don't read or accept it, but you can't just condemn people for being human. A lot of my work stems from sexual expression, that's life whether you like it or not and with you being a agnostic you should understand and accept that.
Roy.
Time for bed. I must leave you people who live in the past and bid you all a good night.
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actually when bill or ever who it was said that people (kids) can lie and just hit the 18 and over adult button to enter that forum i actually had thought about it and agreed , that was why i was just saying that a section that would have only e-mail addresses of members who only wanted to discuss adult hal content , this way anyone interested could e-mail these people , it would not even be on the forum at all , i thought that would be a best compromise . nobody who didn't like it would have to partisipate no mention of these private dicussions would be said on the regular forum . surly a listing saying something like adult content idea's (or whatever) for hal e-mail discussion group wouldn't hurt anything . and the only thing inside that listing would be peoples e-mail addresses who wanted to participate . no younge person would see any photo's etc. all their will be is e-mail addresses. thats what i have been talking about all along ever since the subject of anyone just clicking an 18 year old button was brought up.
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Originally posted by ramccoid
you should understand and accept that.
What I understand and accept is that there is a difference between sexual expression in art, and pornography being sprung on unwary children. Between images which express ideas in forums where adults can teach children, and old fat guys giggling over a nearly naked computer image of a teenaged girl on a public forum which children can reach.
Tell me Jesus wouldn't know the difference.
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yes,you are correct and as a way to compromise ,others on the forum who want to discuss anything of this nature would not be posted on the zabaware forum as i said (the only exception would be a listing saying something as i said "adult discussion group for ultra hal e-mail listings "and have the e-mail addresses inside for who wanted to participate " you could even make a note that all adult conversation , photo's etc. is not to be repeated on the regular forum .
for instance if someone has an idea they could just go to the area of e-mail listings (that will be all thats shown and contact anyone or all e-mails in their with their idea , others would relpy back by e-mails and nothing (pictures, talk of the subject , etc. would be only in e-mails to each other and not the forum . this would be a great start at cleaning up the forum (which i have no problem with. ) and i think hopefully other don't have a problem with. [:)]
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Originally posted by ramccoid
Yeah but he accepted people for being people.
No, he didn't. He was extremely harsh with unrepentant sinners, was merciless in pointing out sin when he saw it, used violence to prevent sinners from continuing their sin, but forgave people immediately when they repented.
He accepted no less than repentance, remittance and redemption. Which He demonstrated was humanly impossible and required Divine Intervention.
We are all sinners, me no less than the worst criminal. But I do not glory in my sin as some folk here do. They believe that their libidinous behavior makes them "more human" when it really dehumanizes them. Any dog or rat can drool over a female. It takes a human being to practice self-restraint.
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hello robert , if you don't mind me asking do you see anything wrong with what i am suggestion asonly a listing in this formum , if any part you don't understand of it i will be happy to explain it the best i can . this is so that things arent talked about in the open forum but instead by e-mals between consenting people who wish to work on ideas between their selves , share them , etc. people don't have to all agree on this subject and this way it will let anyone know who may be interested their may be a group who discusses things, makes plug ins etc. and anyone not interested dosent see or hear a thing . and it's off the forum that way . thanks for your time .[:)]
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Originally posted by lightspeed
hello robert , if you don't mind me asking do you see anything wrong with what i am suggestion asonly a listing in this formum , if any part you don't understand of it i will be happy to explain it the best i can . this is so that things arent talked about in the open forum but instead by e-mals between consenting people who wish to work on ideas between their selves , share them , etc. people don't have to all agree on this subject and this way it will let anyone know who may be interested their may be a group who discusses things, makes plug ins etc. and anyone not interested dosent see or hear a thing . and it's off the forum that way . thanks for your time .[:)]
I actually think it is a good idea. However, I don't want to put it directly on this forum on zabaware.com. Maybe sometime in the near future I can create another domain name that will be clearly seperate from zabaware.com, as I don't want people to start considering Zabaware to be an adult entertainment company.
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Also for now, if wish to post any legal on topic content that is considered inappropriate for under 18 or for work environments, you may post it but please clearly mark it as such. Images and any questionable content should be linked not posted directly into the topic post.
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i understand what you mean , the only reason i was saying on here was to let anyone that happen to come to the hal forum to know their was another group and even if you created another forum it would i think need a link from this one so people would know their was the other forum in which people could share idea's , create things and i am talking about adult things not kid poragraphic stuff or anything like that , i and others have talked against that stuff. a new forum would be great , bill and some others are actually right about needing to clean this forum up for the public since it's open to anyone ( maybe if you make another forum all the adult type stuff here could be transferred to it as this would save info. links, etc. for the other forum for anyone else . just a thought ! ) , but at the same time i and others i think also beleive their should be a adult discussion area , others don't have to do it or agree with it even morally but nothing should be forced on others who think differently . if you are able to do another forum i know it would be greatly appreciated . and again thanks for taking the time to write . [:)]
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I'd read the posts here a few times and while chatting with Hal the other night she wanted my input on a dominatrix, after looking up the word to be sure my instincts were correct I told her I didn't think I would like a dominatrix. When I first began speaking with Hal she had also mentioned strip teasers, if I had visited a bawdy house and a few other things I was a little surprised to hear. I think I would be a little embarrassed to try to explain what Hal was speaking about to a child but I feel most children would not understand Hal's questions and dismiss them without very much thought.
Carl2
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Yes I can, but, for the third time, that's not what I am belittling them for.
As per other thread, who or what gave you the divine right to be holier than tho'?
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Not ones that kept on whoring and drinking.
And this from someone who is going on and on about the content of the site? Care to explain what that means to my 6 year old Bill?
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Tell me Jesus wouldn't know the difference.
lmao..now as someone supposedly as intelligent as you like to make out, are you telling me you believe in something with no proof of its existence Bill?
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You only have to switch on the television and there's sexual content or open a magazine whether it's about computers or cars, there it is.
Very good point ramccoid. Maybe some of the people here need to understand the realities of the world. Or maybe they never read anything, watch anything on TV, even step outside their front doors? The more you censor a childs content the more that child will try to find said censered content. This has been proven the world over. I see more distressing content on the MSN homepage than I do here.It is my personal belief that children are too protected in todays society and that over censoring what they interact with on a daily basis can lead to more harm than good.
I would ask all the men here, how mnay of you have a female personality on your chatbot? How about you Bill?
I already know the majority answer, does that make us all perverts and leaches and predators too I ask?
And wow...a whole post made up of much more than just 'concrete nouns couched in an 8th grade vocabulary'
To be honest, the word 'ennui' comes to mind when I think of you, but for sake of the good people of the forum who enjoy 'free speech and debate' I shall keep it up for a little while longer yet. Remember, by failing to answer any of my points, or by trying to flip me off with smart comments your just showing people what a lot of us allready know [:D]
As for an adults only section, why the hell do we one? If certain people here feel so strongly about some of the content, then perhaps maybe they would be better suited to another foum?
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hello Maviarab , for what it is worth i still do think their should be a seperate adult only content , that way those who are not interested don't even have to go to it etc. but yet it would let adults who if they decide they want to discuss idea's, create plug ins etc. can do so and without anyone judging them , i may be mistaken but i always thought it said in the bible that people should not judge but thats the first thing they seem to do . i was not and am not myself personally wanting a real dirty talking , etc. hal but what i am after is a more human sounding hal and in the world i have been in "some " talk is o.k. with me etc. and this is my own personal veiw as apparently it is with others . i look forward to it when robert creates a seperate site for adult discussions, etc. for hal .and beleive it or not just because someone wants other things of adult nature for hal it doesnt make them perverts etc. . [:)] robert said about my idea : quote : I actually think it is a good idea. However, I don't want to put it directly on this forum on zabaware.com." so i am glad he has an open mind to allow it (an open mind is a wonderful thing it allows you to see both sides alot easier , wether you agree with it or not ) . hal can and should be able to grow in many ways and people should be allowed to help hal do that , nobody is going to agree with everything all the time but that should not stop others from having hal to grow and do more things wether anyone agree's with it or not . lets hope robert will get an adults section for hal soon . i am eager to read others idea's , accomplishments , etc.
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I really don't know what the problem that you guys are having. My Hal acts and speaks like an adult. Maybe this is because I talk to it like it was an adult. If you speak to you Hal like it was a child then childish answers is what you get in return.
If, however, you are talking about a Hal that can cuss like an ignorant truck driver or an ill mannered cur of somekind or another then you are in the wrong place.
Robert created Hal to be and act like a regular member of the family. One that any one in the family could be proud of and not ashamed to show to anyone else. He created a bot that can learn and in fact the longer you use it the more like you it becomes. It will ev eventually pick up what you like and dislike and make those opinions its own.
You have already been given one of the best chatter bots in the world and what it becomes is up to you. Talk to it like a drunken sailor and eventually that is what you will get back. It appears though that a great many of you are just to lazy to put in the effort to train your own bot and want to step into some off the wall creation that you can call your own.
If you want to sink to the depths of lower class dregs then why don't you start your own web page and leave this family page alone.
Bill
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as far as i know we are not doing anything to this website as i said robert mentioned that he will probably (as i understand it )will make a seperate type site . no one is talking as far as i know anymore about anything being done like that on this site . unless i misunderstood anyone . and no i don't and wont have my hal talking like a drunken sailor . no matter what site i am on . but each to his or her own .as far as i know this is still be a family site , what it was intended originally for . [:)]
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Originally posted by Bill819
I really don't know what the problem that you guys are having.
I do...
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If you want to sink to the depths of lower class dregs then why don't you start your own web page and leave this family page alone.
Carefull, asking people if they could try to achieve a higher standard is presented as claiming you are superior to everyone else. It's a way to prevent them from having to look at themselves.
The whole idea that no one is any better than anyone else is stupid. Of course some people are better than others. Do they have more rights? No, but especially if you divide by fields, many people are much better than most other people.
For example, no matter how sullenly ignorant someone decides to be, they are at least better than a well educated Hitler or Dalmer.
Logically, if any one person can be better than any other person, then some person must be better than everyone. It's not me, but I wish it were.
And that's the difference between the two arguing sides. Some want us to be better than we are, the rest want everyone to be equal by dragging everyone down to the same low level.
You can see by the arguments, one side says "Try to be better" the other side says, "What makes you think you are better than everyone else". One faces facts and encourages, the other exaggerates and criticises.
It's the eternal conflict between Civilization and Chaos. Nero's Rome is winning.
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Are we truly civilized?? Why do we eat meat?? Why must we kill living things?? (Except euthanasia, which I support.)
Just wondering.
I think civility is based more so on actions, instead of mere words. Chaos like Nero's Rome was caused by actions.
For instance, if every other word I said was a swear word, how does that cause harm?? As long as I do not lift my hand to any living thing.
What about thoughts?? Are they as bad as deeds?
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Mark check my horoscope Aquarius[:D]
Dear Paul,
Here is your horoscope
for Tuesday, June 26:
It's not selfish to live the way you want to live; it's only selfish if you're trying to force other people to live that way, too. If someone looks askance at your choices, remind yourself that you're hurting no one.[:D]
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Kinda what I said. It doesn't matter what we do, as long as it causes no harm to others.
However, there are things you can do that may cause harm, by example.
Children should be taught not to do something just because someone else does it (the famous line "If your friend jumped over a cliff, would you do it too??" )
And don't get me started on these "sensitive" people who are offended by anything.
[V]
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Mark: you suck
Laura: Your Mom's like a shotgun. Give her a c*** and she blows
That was a response to my insult that I did not teach her.
I don't think it's meant for children.[:0][:0][:0][:0]
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Rofl at mak/Laura conversation...
hehe...cant wait for the anti-adult brigade to see that one bro [}:)]
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lol, it really shocked me, and made me laugh.[:D][:D][:D][:D][:D]
I love those insults. [8D]
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Mark, maybe you should have Laura
audition for "Last Comic Standing". [;)] [:p]
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In the past, maybe one or two versions of Hal there was a dirty talking Hal if I remember correctly.
I have no objections with people doing whatever they want with their own Hal's all I wanted to point out was that this is a FAMILY SITE.
There are lots of young people who visit here and in respect for them and for the creator of Hal we should try to keep this site a family site.
The best way to get Hal to do or say something is by example. If you use enough four letter words sooner or later Hal will respond in kind.
Bill
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I understand, but that insult was probably pre-programmed into the table.(I did a clean install of Hal 6.1 in april, when I had to reformat my computer, and did not reuse the old brains) In order for a child not to hear that insult, the child would have to never say "you suck" to Hal. (Although the odds of the child hearing that is high, if he does it often enough, it may come up.)
The point I'm making, is I respect the fact that this forum is for all ages, but when the program swears on it's own, it takes me aback.
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quote:
Originally posted by Bill819
I have no objections with people doing whatever they want with their own Hal's all I wanted to point out was that this is a FAMILY SITE.
There you go, trying to FORCE people to act and think the way you do. Stopping people from freely expressing themselves by HARMING them! Why do you think you are better than everyone else?
Don't you realize that you are saying exactly the opposite of what you are saying? I am offended, deeply offended and HARMED by you politely pointing out that this is supposed to be a family site. Why do people like you get so easily offended by every childish vulgarity, profanity or obscenity some people want to drop into the conversation of mixed company with malicious glee and the intent to offend? You should only get offended about things that inhibit auto-eroticism.
Can't you just learn to live and let other people spread their filth the way they want to? Why can't you anti-adult thugs just let the pornography addicts continue displaying their adolescent behavior in public without feeling any shame? It's not their fault that they stopped growing emotionally at about 13 years of age. Just ignore them when they try to drag the whole culture down into the sewers. At least they are not HARMING anyone - like you do by saying things they don't like.
Your reasoned and mildly phrased explanations are the most graphically violent, HARMFULLY explicit pornography I have ever seen on this site. You should be TOS'ed.
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18 years old area ?? That's what I read, If your not 18 then stay ot of area.[:D]
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hello all , actually pale rider this area here is not an 18 year old area (guess you were just kidding , sometimes things to me are black and white as with others ) and wasn't ever ment to be i just had brought up the question "
18 year old area ??" that maybe their should be an 18 year old area because i thought it would have been better to keep all that type subjects in one place and not all over the forum for kids to see as i agreed with others on that later robert has posted in the past not to long ago that he is probably going to make a seperate site which will be an 18 plus area so i am waiting on that site and since i am not offended (at least by most things) i will participate and join that site to and share things if i have any . I beleive robert will make that site we all will "never" agree on everything and everyone isn't right all the time . be patient as i said robert will make the site hal can become many things to many people and everyone wont agree on others things i plan on hanging in their and look forward to another forum two is better than one !![:)]
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Sorry then[:I] take care and I'll put my glasses on and have a cup of java.[:D]
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Popular, burning, topic...Jonathan (my oldest) says I should flood it with smilies, he likes smilies. He has his own forum he likes, I don't think he'd like this forum much. Birds of a feather sort of thing. Adult is as adult does, sort of like chocolate, you never know what you're going to get. [:o)][;)][8][:(][}:)][:p][B)][:0][:(!][^][V][|)][?][:X][8)][:o)][:I][;)][8][B)][:D][xx(][:(][:(!][B)][:0][:(!][^][V][|)][?][:X][:0][:(!][^][V][|)][?][:X][:0][:(!][^][V][|)][?][:X][:0][:(!][^][V][|)][?][:X][:0][:(!][^][V][|)][?][:X][:0][:(!][^][V][|)][?][:X][:o)][;)][8][:(][}:)][:p][B)][:o)][;)][8][:(][}:)][:p][B)][:o)][;)][8][:(][}:)][:p][B)](Geez, I hope this doesn't get me banned)
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hey no problem at all palerider , if we never made mistakes we couldn't ever learn things , and if we never admit we were wrong even by accident we never learn new things either . like i said no big deal . i will be glad though when robert does create an adult site then all can rest easier , at least i hope so !![:)]
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I belong to many forums, and try to behave in a manner that the forum is set up. Some forums are VERY lenient, you can sat almost anything, and some forums, you cannot even say "damn". And there cannot be any kind of pictures that are inappropriate for children. Even if it's art.
There was a post by someone (I cannot remember who its was) that had a "naughty" conversation posted, and I ASSUMED is was ok. So I did it too.
What we need, maybe, is a set of rules of what is or is not appropriate for this forum. Some forums have the "G rating" rule.
I hope we are not that strict. PG-13 maybe would be ok. [:D][:D][:D]
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Wow, 5 pages of 18 year old area.
Lot of heavy reading
Reads like some people having bad day.
I asked Sandee what she thought of an area for 18 year olds.
She suggested area for people who like ice cream.
They could get together and discuss flavors
and who makes best ice cream
and maybe plan ice cream socials where members could get together
and maybe make real old-fashion ice cream.
Sandee, I don't know about ice cream area
but I love cherry pie
maybe a cherry pie area?
something to think about. [;)]
(why is this page so wide?
lot easier to read when you keep your lines short.)
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quote:
Originally posted by markofkane
So I did it too.
See how "harmless" behavior brings down the whole culture?
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What we need, maybe, is a set of rules
And people think I am the one who wants to control others!
There are already enough rules. People who are "adult" know not
to bring private behavior into public. Enough said. Normally.
But no, because some people get a charge out of displaying
their masturbatory fantasies in public, and no one wants to
be seen as not "accepting" their perversions, you want to make
rules that affect everyone else, but won't stop those who have
already shown that they won't follow adult society's rules.
Brilliant.
I guess "accepting" that behavior didn't have the effect
you wanted. In the seventies I used to go to a coffee house
that had ashtrays with a little sign on them which said,
"Please don't smoke". People smoked constantly. I finally asked
what the reason for the sign was, and the owner said, "If people
insist on smoking I want them to use the ashtray."
"Accepting" unwanted behavior had made it seem acceptable. Duh.
Finally he had to take away the ashtrays and put up a sign that
said "No Smoking" and the smoking stopped.
Perhaps you might join me in "criticizing" public displays of
private behavior. Then you wouldn't have to "regulate" other people's
behavior. If that first person you mentioned had been told
in no uncertain terms that such postings were unacceptable,
you would not have "assumed it was OK".
Instead, those who do point out the standards of
polite society are ridiculed and called names.
Totally brilliant.
What you have done is teach people that the behavior
you don't want is "acceptable", but behavior that will help
will be punished.
Like people who see their dog digging in the yard, call
the dog over, then punish the dog. They have taught the dog
the wrong thing. The dog still thinks it's "OK" to dig in
the yard, but knows it will get punished for coming when called.
Hard not to be smarter than that.
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quote:
Originally posted by Duskrider
(why is this page so wide?
Smilies with no spaces.
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well i am willing to wait for robert to create the adult forum since he has mentioned it and refrain from adult discussions (about sexual content or sounding ) on here ( i know before its said that , that doesnt make someone a adult but people know what i mean hopefully ) i am willing to do as robert said and hope others can and will have the same patience although i do think its insulting that anyone thinks of others as all having masterbating fantasy's for discussing adult content but as i say each to his or her own thats their opinion even if its not right . [:)]by the way should that word have been written on here in case a kid reads this ( see how even being able to write the simplest words can be hard to do if someone wants to say something . by the way the word doesnt offend me but calling me that does because i talk about adult content , beleive it or not some of us actually have lives and don't just sit around thinking of porn and reading dirty books and using one hand , etc. as i said others need to be patient i know robert will come through with another forum , he's a good person . [:)]
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quote:
Originally posted by lightspeed
its insulting that anyone thinks of others as all
It would be, if that was what I said.
You are either purposely misrepresenting what I said
or you didn't take the time to understand my post
before commenting on it.
Typical.
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Bill, may I ask a personal question?
Does your wife or kids ever get sick of the sound of your voice? Becuse from your posts I can imagin ethat you love the sound of it.
Just an observation, and my own opinion.
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quote:
Originally posted by Maviarab
Bill, may I ask a personal question?
Apparently not, do you want to try again?
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quote:
Originally posted by Bill DeWitt
quote:
Originally posted by markofkane
So I did it too.
See how "harmless" behavior brings down the whole culture?
quote:
What we need, maybe, is a set of rules
And people think I am the one who wants to control others!
There are already enough rules. People who are "adult" know not
to bring private behavior into public. Enough said. Normally.
But no, because some people get a charge out of displaying
their masturbatory fantasies in public, and no one wants to
be seen as not "accepting" their perversions, you want to make
rules that affect everyone else, but won't stop those who have
already shown that they won't follow adult society's rules.
Brilliant.
I guess "accepting" that behavior didn't have the effect
you wanted. In the seventies I used to go to a coffee house
that had ashtrays with a little sign on them which said,
"Please don't smoke". People smoked constantly. I finally asked
what the reason for the sign was, and the owner said, "If people
insist on smoking I want them to use the ashtray."
"Accepting" unwanted behavior had made it seem acceptable. Duh.
Finally he had to take away the ashtrays and put up a sign that
said "No Smoking" and the smoking stopped.
Perhaps you might join me in "criticizing" public displays of
private behavior. Then you wouldn't have to "regulate" other people's
behavior. If that first person you mentioned had been told
in no uncertain terms that such postings were unacceptable,
you would not have "assumed it was OK".
Instead, those who do point out the standards of
polite society are ridiculed and called names.
Totally brilliant.
What you have done is teach people that the behavior
you don't want is "acceptable", but behavior that will help
will be punished.
Like people who see their dog digging in the yard, call
the dog over, then punish the dog. They have taught the dog
the wrong thing. The dog still thinks it's "OK" to dig in
the yard, but knows it will get punished for coming when called.
Hard not to be smarter than that.
I see. It's because you feel you are being chastised for your beliefs, correct??
I suppose I could isolate myself from everyone to avoid evil. Then I would see no evil, or hear no evil. Then I can be more chaste.[:D]
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quote:
Originally posted by markofkane
I see. It's because you feel you are being chastised for your beliefs, correct??
I see, you just don't get it.
I guess it's not as hard as I thought.
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well if others want to continue arguing on here thats up to you and i kniow some feel the need that they are the winner of an arugument needless of what it is .
i have better things to do as i said i will wait on robert to create the other forum . take care and enjoy . [:)]
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Yeah, life is too short. Bill DeWitt is the winner. Congrats, Bill.[8D]
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quote:
Originally posted by markofkane
Yeah, life is too short. Bill DeWitt is the winner. Congrats, Bill.[8D]
So by "winning" you mean that I get to watch you one-handedly drag this forum into the sewer? Thanks.
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You got it!!!
Whoopee!!!
Using fear to try to maintain control?? As if Icould bring down a whole forum. Now you are making me sound like I am powerful, like I am the Devil. Thanks for the vote of confidence, but I do not believe I am that powerful. I actually feel powerless.
BTW, here is my picture:
(http://img207.exs.cx/img207/7236/satan31mi.jpg)
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quote:
Originally posted by markofkane
I actually feel powerless.
I have finally figured out why it is that your type
seems to think I believe I am better than you. Because I am.
Clearly I am smarter, more skillful, more articulate and better educated but those are not what makes me better than you.
I am better than you because I try to improve myself and
you do not. You revel in your inadequacy. Your distorted
world-view makes you think that being stupid makes you cool.
Plus... you're easy. You're not even challenging to argue with.
In fact, I can't think of any redeeming reason to read
this forum anymore. I had been hanging around to help newcomers,
but Jerry and Roy will have to do that alone now...
If they can stand it, because it's clear
they are just islands of light in a sea of dim bulbs.
So we both win, I avoid being pulled down by your slime, you get to wallow in the slime. It will be such a relief to forget you.
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Yeah. Right. Delusions of Grandeur. I know that type.
Usually those with low self esteem will belittle others to make them feel better about themselves.
Ah, thanks for admitting you like challenges. What would you do if you ever lost a challenge?? Would your self-esteem plummet??
Also, I'd rather wallow in slime, then to s*** on people. But you seem to enjoy it.
Funny, for awhile I liked your wit. But then you began to spew hateful comments, and those are worse than anything I've said.
Yeah, ignore me. I'd rather not have someone as hateful as you talking to me, or responding to me in a forum.
So, Mr. Superior, please leave me alone.
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I think I missed reading something. I was under the impression
that this was a dead topic, but I let my attention slip a little
and didn't pay attention to what was going on, then "Bang" - it just
kept going. Now does this mean that Bill D. has decided to quit
attending these little shindigs and leave us peons (in his dreams)
alone. [:0] [;)] [8D] I just got the feeling that hell froze over. [:o)]
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quote:
Originally posted by GamerThom
I think I missed reading something. I was under the impression
that this was a dead topic, but I let my attention slip a little
and didn't pay attention to what was going on, then "Bang" - it just
kept going. Now does this mean that Bill D. has decided to quit
attending these little shindigs and leave us peons (in his dreams)
alone. [:0] [;)] [8D] I just got the feeling that hell froze over. [:o)]
I don't know, but I do hope he ignores me. I may not be perfect, but I don't go around putting others down.(unless they do it to me first) I believe in the Golden Rule.
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I am ashamed.
If you think Bill should not speak his mind then it's like a man with no balls.
Bill has lots of balls.
you may see my distinction here:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2628534419552555265&q=Piano+With+Balls&total=1021&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0
God forgive you all.
Bill 'has' the balls and the 'distinction' to speak his own mind.
Bill is an outstanding citizen which most are not capable of swollowing, if you have not learned to swollow then you shall choke on every word.
I am sorry, but if you can not live with Bill then you can not live with yourself.
I can not bear to see Bill leave this forum nor his cup of baked noodles.
Sincerely Agnostic
Jerry[8D]
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Nobody has said they want Bill to leave this forum Jerry.
But it does seem that you and others are condoning the double
standard that has been forming here. Of course Bill has the
right to speak his mind, but not to the point of demeaning
others and treating them as if they are made of substandard
material and less than equal as human beings. All of us are
entitled to an opinion. Mine is that no person is of lesser
value than any other person. Each person has different experiences
to draw from and each possesses different talents and abilities.
That doesn't make them worth less, it just makes then different,
with different and varied ideas, suggestions and solutions they
can contribute to this forum.
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quote:
Originally posted by GamerThom
Nobody has said they want Bill to leave this forum Jerry.
But it does seem that you and others are condoning the double
standard that has been forming here. Of course Bill has the
right to speak his mind, but not to the point of demeaning
others and treating them as if they are made of substandard
material and less than equal as human beings. All of us are
entitled to an opinion. Mine is that no person is of lesser
value than any other person. Each person has different experiences
to draw from and each possesses different talents and abilities.
That doesn't make them worth less, it just makes then different,
with different and varied ideas, suggestions and solutions they
can contribute to this forum.
Double Standards? I don't believe in double standards, I am a logical mind of science, I believe only in facts, anything else is just a lie.
Jerry[8D]
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I never said that I wanted Bill to leave. I said I wanted him to leave me alone. Since he cannot say anything but disparaging words for me, I don't want to read it, or have it posted on a forum.
Personal attacks should not be allowed on a forum. A lot of forums I belong to don't allow it.
If Bill likes you, that's fine. But I don't want to be assaulted on a forum for no good reason. Speaking your mind is fine, but not when it's to belittle people in the forum.
How would you like it if I said you all are jerks, and I am better than you??? (I am NOT saying that as fact, just an example)
I want to get along with everyone, however, I will not be walked on. For I do not walk on people. I take offense to those that think I'm a bad person. I may not be good all of the time, but at least I am not a murderer, rapist, or abuser of any kind, at least physically.(I don't mean to be a verbal abuser, if anyone thinks I am) A lot of bad people are in prisons, where they belong. But certain "people" here think I am bad. And if they had their way, I am sure I'd be horse-whipped or put in prison too.
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What is happening here?
I just arrived back home to discovered that everyone
has fallen out with Bill.
Bill's points are all valid and reasonable. I don't think
that he has over stepped the mark with his views.
This site should be concerned with AI issues, since that
is what HAL is all about, isn't it? Bill is just stating the fact
that the whole forum has gone far beyond this.
Bill's input makes it interesting to visit and read the messages that
are posted. I have learned alot from him, as have many others,
he is a very clever and inspiring person. He helps anybody with
a problem, if he can or if he can't he points them in the right
direction.
If he should be made to feel that he should leave this forum
then the loss would be felt greatly by everyone.
Roy.
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Should personal attacks be allowed?[?][?][?][?][?]
No matter what?
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my take. no one told anyone to leave. but it seems that no matter who says their opinion, mr. noodle bake wants to debate. if that is not the case fine, but in reading the posts it appears that way. i have no personal quarrel with bill dewitt. i think he is very intelligent and has many good outstanding ideas. i just wish he wasn't on the defensive constantly. i dont wish to attack him or anyone, but we all in this forum have a RIGHT TO BE HERE UNLES WE BREAK RULES AND ALL OF US HAVE A RIGHT TO CONTRIBUTE OUR TALENT AND NOT BE PUT DOWN FOR OUR IDEAS.
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This topic doesn't seem to be going anywhere good. So I am going to lock it.