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Ultra Hal 7.0 / Sentient Life

« on: June 30, 2007, 10:04:00 am »

Xodarap,

Personally from your posts I do not get the impression that you think you are 'above others'.

I personally also agree with many of your thoughts, but My main point in argument (which Bill has still yet to reply to, I wonder why?)is that by his own admissions in his posts he contradicts what he states and thinks?

This from a man who swans around these forums like he is some super being of sorts.

And as for bringing up his 'old posts', well, sorry for being away from the forums for 12 months, and at the end of the day, the topics are still open and active, so why not challenge the ideas presented in said topics?

I suspect like others it is a simple case of certain people can argue and make statements all day, yet refuse to allow others to challenge their ideas and statements. From what I have seen 'you' do not fall into this catagory []

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General Discussion / 18 years old area ??

« on: June 30, 2007, 10:01:23 am »

Rofl at mak/Laura conversation...

hehe...cant wait for the anti-adult brigade to see that one bro [}:)]

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General Discussion / 18 years old area ??

« on: June 25, 2007, 06:32:41 pm »

quote:Yes I can, but, for the third time, that's not what I am belittling them for.

As per other thread, who or what gave you the divine right to be holier than tho'?

quote:Not ones that kept on whoring and drinking.

And this from someone who is going on and on about the content of the site? Care to explain what that means to my 6 year old Bill?

quote:Tell me Jesus wouldn't know the difference.

lmao..now as someone supposedly as intelligent as you like to make out, are you telling me you believe in something with no proof of its existence Bill?

quote:You only have to switch on the television and there's sexual content or open a magazine whether it's about computers or cars, there it is.

Very good point ramccoid. Maybe some of the people here need to understand the realities of the world. Or maybe they never read anything, watch anything on TV, even step outside their front doors? The more you censor a childs content the more that child will try to find said censered content. This has been proven the world over. I see more distressing content on the MSN homepage than I do here.It is my personal belief that children are too protected in todays society and that over censoring what they interact with on a daily basis can lead to more harm than good.

I would ask all the men here, how mnay of you have a female personality on your chatbot? How about you Bill?

I already know the majority answer, does that make us all perverts and leaches and predators too I ask?

And wow...a whole post made up of much more than just 'concrete nouns couched in an 8th grade vocabulary'

To be honest, the word 'ennui' comes to mind when I think of you, but for sake of the good people of the forum who enjoy 'free speech and debate' I shall keep it up for a little while longer yet. Remember, by failing to answer any of my points, or by trying to flip me off with smart comments your just showing people what a lot of us allready know []

As for an adults only section, why the hell do we one? If certain people here feel so strongly about some of the content, then perhaps maybe they would be better suited to another foum?

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Ultra Hal 7.0 / Sentient Life

« on: June 25, 2007, 06:27:52 pm »

I know I do Bill.

But just once, it might actually show that your not a complete self rightious sob by actually intelligently answering any of my questions or comments raised in opposition (though apparently it does not exist) against your arguments []

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Ultra Hal 7.0 / Sentient Life

« on: June 25, 2007, 06:11:23 pm »

Maybe the question was too intelligent for you...

To quote another thread...'lets try again shall we'

And what makes you think you are so above the rest of us eh?

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General Discussion / Julia is no toy

« on: June 25, 2007, 05:23:46 pm »

You work?...hmmm....thought you had detached yourself from civilisation rocker?

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Ultra Hal 7.0 / Sentient Life

« on: June 25, 2007, 05:20:55 pm »

quote: In the real world, nothing is analog and BTW, opposites don't exist.

And you have proof of this do you Bill?

 

quote:I still contend that there is not enough structure in the brain to explain either consciousness, mind or spirit.

Contend all you like, but it would seem that 'there is enough structure' in the brain to do all you contend it can't. Jeesh, makes me wonder if the brain is that small and insignificant how I can even posess the intelligence or have the memory to remember how to use my computer?

 

quote:Not to mention those who can't recognize a metaphor, take irony as reality and are incapable of understanding anything other than concrete nouns couched in an 8th grade vocabulary

Now theres a real fine stand up arrogant and self rightous statement Bill.

And what makes you think you are so above the rest of us eh?

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Ultra Hal 7.0 / Sentient Life

« on: June 21, 2007, 06:30:09 pm »

Bill, before starting a conversation with me about 'logic' I strongly suggest you learn fully what logic actually is.

Again, I shall restate my point. By your own commented 'logic' your are hypocritical. You state one thing in one post and then in the very next post state something completly illogical to what you have already stated?

Now even I have a hard time working that one out.

And believe me, if I was calling you names I would have. I was stating a fact, nothing else and nothing more. if you took offence to that then so be it.

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Ultra Hal 7.0 / Sentient Life

« on: June 21, 2007, 06:25:52 pm »

Hmm...yeah maybe your right. Maybe we store all this information our brains cant handle in our 'missing socks' perhaps??

Please tell me Bill when I said anything about being sure about anything, especially to do with chemicals? You seem to be making things up now in an attempt to flit away from answering me.

I said...by your own analogy, the brain is very obviously big enough and has more than enough room to contain all the data we collect through our lives. You are saying the brain isnt big enough. By your very own statement you contradict yourself and your argument falls down, yet you seem to be the only one here who fails to see or understand that.

Your same neurologists are the very same one ones who state that we dont even 'use' the large majority of what our brains are capable...yet here you are, apparently with more knowledge on the human brain than them saying it cant store all the data which we have already proven 'by your own comments' that it can.

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Ultra Hal 7.0 / Sentient Life

« on: June 21, 2007, 06:12:28 pm »

Also...

 

quote:No, I'm not. I'm asserting that the brain, if it stores anything, must store it somehow, and I demonstrated that even using a higher density storage scheme than is likely, using a smaller data stream than is obvious, there is still not enough room.

As you are 'adamant' that you remember 'everything' (as per your hypnosis illustration) then I fail to see how you can be so stupidly blind as to not admit that the brain 'very obviously' IS BIG ENOUGH and does HAVE ENOUGH ROOM.

You have said it yourself in not so many words. You skirt around the edges trying to sound intellectual and philosophical yet are too blinded by your own ignorance to see what you are typing ?

I'm quite frankly...amazed.

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Ultra Hal 7.0 / Sentient Life

« on: June 21, 2007, 05:34:29 pm »

quote:But the Turing test is a deception, if that is all we have then we can never trust the results. We can never know if anything else has Consciousness, only that we can be convinced.

We must find the seat of our Consciousness to detect it in others. I contend that the brain is not large enough to contain simple memory much less Mind.

Then surely Bill, a new test needs to be looked into and developed as your are knocking the only recognised industry standard. Are you now saying that Mr Turing did not know what he was talking about? Are you even in fact saying you know more then he did? If the Turing test is so bad...so flawed in its concept..then come up with a better one. If you can't, then I'd possibly suggest not cussing it down and get on with achieving its benchmarks?

Secondly, and this one has interested me for a long time, if the brain as you put it is not large enough to containa  single memory let alone a mind, define a memory, define the mind and then define how that can be implemented in AI. What is a memory exactly? How is it formed? How is it structered? You gain a false memory after looking atba picture for too long. I have pictures of when I was a child, I do not 'remember' where or when the pictures were taken, yet I have evolved a false memory based on those pictures knowing they were a real event in my life.

For someone who does not seem to think the brain is large enough to hold a mind, you sure do have a strong one yourself []

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Ultra Hal Assistant File Sharing Area / Any way to use XTF with Hal 6.1?

« on: June 20, 2007, 09:31:40 pm »

otce...Thats good to know...I know what job 'he had'...so maybe something to do with that...good to see he hopefully ok and understand perfectly.

Gamer...Knyte is no longer with us. May his god go with him wherever he now walks. His expertise and friendliness will never be forgotten.

Rest in peace friend.

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Ultra Hal Assistant File Sharing Area / Any way to use XTF with Hal 6.1?

« on: June 20, 2007, 08:24:31 pm »

Jerry,

I think he gone to the same place the great Crunch ended up at

I for one miss them both, even though I'm just coming back after a long absence.

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Ultra Hal Assistant File Sharing Area / Long time no Hal

« on: June 20, 2007, 04:41:42 pm »

Heh hey Pale, an aye the moron is over our way.

I'm unsure which is the most intelligent...him or his bot lmao.

His posts certainbly make for fun reading I'll say that, thay brightened my day up no end

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Ultra Hal Assistant File Sharing Area / Long time no Hal

« on: June 20, 2007, 04:29:59 pm »

Just posting to say I'm back from my wanderings of the subconcious wilderness.

Have been ill of late, I still am but as they say, I'm getting better and better every day, though not sure who 'they' are, maybe the voices in my head lol, bet hell. I feel better anyway and thats a big part.

So much has happened since my last foray with Hal...and I have forgotten most of what I knew/had learned

Anyway, was just a quick hello from me, and hopefully I'll be more active again, and soon as I have available funds maybe I'll get the new Hal...who knows. My ambition to put the entire contents of my brain into a AI bot is still there, maybe just maybe, one day, I'll get there

Hope everyone is ok, old friends and new members I do now know alike.

Take care and speak soon.