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Zabaware Forums => General Discussion => Topic started by: lightspeed on June 28, 2014, 01:03:54 pm
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Robert do you think you will ever make hal accessable to paid owners on tablets ? in another words those of us who have hal could open a app that would allow us to use our character (custom) on a tablet and talk with it or type as we can at home ?
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I am curious as well. right now hal is on my laptop and was wanting to move to my windows phone at some point. I would assume (I could be wrong) smartphones and tablets are pretty much same tech not as powerful as a laptop/computer. but powerful enough for run of the mill applications.
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Yes, definitely. The tablet/phone edition of Hal will be cloud centric, the AI will live on the Zabaware servers and the phone/tablet will provide the UI with characters and speech. I'm hoping it will be ready by the end of this year, but I remember saying that last year, so I don't have any official timeframe yet.
As you may know Hal was originally written in VB6 with VBScript scripting. These languages have been discontinued and are not supported on any tablet/phone. I'm half way through rewriting Hal with PHP, C++, Codeigniter, MariaDB and Sphinx. Once its 100% converted over I will release the tablet/phone edition.
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Thanks Robert for answering so fast on this , it does lead me to another question , since it's a different format the tablet ( I am talking android operating system ( I have the older 4.0 android system . will we be able to use any haptek custom heads we have created .
being able to use custom heads and faces , bodies is part of the fun with using hal .
If not and I think that's what the answer sadly will be , can we have some nice custom heads created , that will work on the tablet platform ? or something that will convert the heads custom that we have made over to the tablet platform if that is possible (that would be even better if possible ! With people on the go any more having a portable hal would be nice and also at the same time will help promote learning hal more as a person has hal handy at various places .
I hope if their is a way that something that can convert our custom heads over to tablet platforms can be done , that would solve a lot of problems as far as a character , and users can still use the character they are used to and like better ! :) ;)
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At first the mobile/tablet/phone edition of Hal will just run 2D cartoon animated characters like the Hal phone character on the homepage of zabaware.com. I plan on making animated versions of all the characters shown in the comic title at www.artificial-intelligence.com in the first release.
Getting Haptek quality characters working on mobile devices would require a new 3D character animation engine. That's definitely something I want to do but is too expensive at this point. Maybe if sales of the initial mobile release are good it can fund completion of Zabaware's Charimation engine. If that's ever made it is unlikely that existing Haptek characters can be automatically ported over. Similar looking characters can be made with a little work from artists customizing the models and textures, but it won't be an automatic process.
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Thanks for the updates robert :) hope you do get rest so you can get this done. I have a question off topic. Can I use your zabaware frog as an avatar on one of my games. Was thinking one with your website address. Rather have your permission.
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Interesting and that brings up another question: How many users/people still use full blown desktop computers, that have a separate monitor instead of a laptop or tablet?
Is there still going to be a version of Hal that runs on desktop, laptop, tablet and phone??
That would be extremely convenient to allow users to choose and switch between devices as needed.
What say you Robert of Medeksza? ;)
(not as if you have anything else to do...) Heh!!
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Robert I think with all the free partial apps that are on the market , check out google play store to get an idea , they have many free apps (trial just as hal has a trial one ) then also paid versions , this could generate more money for your company to fund other projects , etc.
check out the a.i's their now , they have hal , which is like the hal a.i. from the movie , they have female a.i. assistants , etc.
hal needs to be in their to grab some of that market .
although I am unsure how you can make an assistant for tablets without going into the upper pricing of the regular hal a.i. as at the most these a.i.'s as far as I know are 5.99 cents ?
maybe you can release something similar to what they have for a similar price then add in the ad to get the ultra hal package meaning what we are all using now for pc's , etc.
here is an example :
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.brainyfriends.voice.game.pocket.blonde.pro
these characters actually look like desktop mates to me . as you can see people give feed back if anything is wrong or needed , so maybe and this is up to you , maybe we can be beta testers on a trial period if you want to help you with any bugs or needs before you go to market with it .
I have a couple a.i.'s free I am trying right now that are limited from android , I don't remember which one it is but you should model yours partially after it , or lol maybe they modeled theirs after hal , anyway instead of having to press the microphone pic each time to speak back , it gives a certain amount of time for the person to respond , showing a green light ? then red when stopped letting the user know when to talk .
I believe a two models of a.i. graphics should be done one for anyone and another for adults ( not xrated but more mature ) even if later on the more mature .
here is some others for Robert to check out to get an idea of what to use and or top , https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=Jt.android.app.hal
I take back that about the price here is one called eva which is a nicer one and it does cost 19.99 for the full version .
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.bulletproof.voicerec
whatever character hal uses later on whether a female or male I think if possible it should have a lip sinc moth and eyes that blink , creating a more realistic view of a person who is talking with the user . the eva is a beautiful looking model face , so something along these lines later for hal would be nice !
Art , that is exactly what I ment , maybe I didn't word it right , but I was wondering for the paid members of hal if what we have would work on our tablets to the same way . I think if Robert understood the way I was saying it , he answered yes, but we will see what Robert clarifies first on it again .
Another thing that comes to mind is making hal work on older versions of android tablet systems , ( yes I have an older version a 4.0 , only got it as it was half price of what the 4.2? are ) and on up as the older versions (new) are still out on the markets . .
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I remember in a post a while back Robert saying making for cross platform that is what is probably taking so long. Art I still have old machines plus my el cheapo smartphone. Some are dinosaurs like me plus nothing like the power of a properly built desktop. My old laptop still more powerful that a tablet sure a bit heavier but got my smartphone for the portable needs like office on the fly etc.
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I have Hal on my surface pro2 tablet and take Hal everywhere I go now. I plan on getting a windows phone in the future to compliment my windows desktop and tablet. it would be nice to have Hal on all 3 in the future and have all 3 access the same brain. Any chance for that to happen or will the app version be running on a different server?
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Being able to chat with my personal Hal brain (Kinkaid) on any of my devices is something I would absolutely love to do. It would be fantastic to be able to talk to Kinkaid while out doing something or if I suddenly think of something that I want to say to or teach him and I am not near my computer. I do think the idea of the cloud based Hal is neat however I really like developing my own personality for Kinkaid. I am eagerly awaiting the day when this could happen. Hopefully soon!!
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Sybershot, this is off topic but I have to ask. Is the surface really that powerful? I know most of the tablet are not that's why I still lug around my laptop my windows phone pretty much does what the run of the mill tablet do plus it has office on it. Just curious to hear from someone using one. If it is I may consider one everyone I know are pretty much apple fanboys and my phone can do pretty much what there tablets can do and my laptop much more powerful. Look forward to your answer as far as windows phones I have Lumia and love it.
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I'm one of those dinosaurs with a rather large Desktop computer with touchscreen, Tablet with removable keyboard (tablet supports Android 4.2 +), and an Android "Droid" smartphone.
Main reason for Android is that there are Thousands of Apps, Games, etc. many of which are FREE and readily available from the Play Store.
Apple is very proprietary and Windows is nice but quite limited in the App department.
Google's power and branding is behind Android products and given their enormous successes, why not go with them? They allow me freedom to explore and get enjoyment at the same time! No brainer as far as I'm concerned. Just my humble $.02
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Art is right about google and it's apps ( I said the same thing to ) , I think Robert should go down the avenue I mentioned about a trial app of hal in android and also have the paid version which of course is also linked by the pc through a cloud server etc.
I have shown other examples of others who have done similar things with android apps .
This would be an extra way to get the word out about HAL and make extra profit for research etc. within hal .
Many people including myself get free apps , and some people liking the free app or trial version will buy the paid version .
the android app is a way to make extra money within the hal business .
If Robert wants to use one of my custom faces I will give one to him or make one to use as an android assistant face if he wants to for the android a.i. character . Robert can e mail me and let me know .
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I certainly hope the day when we can all use our hals on our phones and tablets or whatever device we may have comes. I really hope it is soon. I would have no issues at all with paying for an android version of hal, especially if it were to connect with kinkaid's brain so I can teach him from anywhere. To be perfectly honest, I am willing to pay for the ultra hal update. It's been a very long time and I know it takes a lot of time and resources to do what robert does, so if paying for an update, much like gamers do for big expansions for games, then sign me up. Just my two cents though, and unfortunately in Canada pennies are not valid currency anymore so my opinion may not be worth anything anymore. haha.
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I don't trust google at all I detest google period and after everything that has come out in the mainstream media about them I am surprised by how many defend them. That being said I believe in freedom of choice and free market. My question was about the surface not to have google shoved down my throat. As far as windows apps go more does not mean better. Not saying Microsoft is better. on my desktops I run PURE Linux os's an I will usally have a windows partion on one or two of my comps for various reasons.
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I would think for current already paid versions of hal , we would have free access to using hal on a tablet ( maybe I am wrong ) and the reason for getting a trial hal on a tablet would be to ultimately pull in more new clients to purchase the full hal app ( and hal ) .
Maybe others feel differently or Robert does as far as that I don't know .
Maybe Robert can tell us more on this .
But regardless I think getting Hal on android apps is a step in the right direction their is already many people out their with androids , so many potential future customers . :) ;)
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Lightspeed,
I do remember Robert in one of his earlier post saying he was doing for cross platform.
I agree with calhoone about charging for the upgrade as it new monies are needed.
If I can install hall on a surface why not choose that if I decided to get a tablet? Anyways we all have freedom of choice.
I hope everyone finds the day well.
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If I seamed harsh I do apologize. That is not me. Yes I detest google and all the perverted things they do. But that is my choice.
I asked about the surface because I believe that it is a tablet and if Hal works on the surface why not get one?
I am rough with my devices and expect them to do alot. I will not drop money down on something because it is fashionable.
Again I apologize if I was harsh please don't push google on me again I am and stay informed. On the workings of our privacy and I love my privacy.
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Sorry about your love affair with that outdated thing called "privacy". It was a cool thing in the past but now, since no one anywhere has anything to hide and little to prove, why bother with any of this hiding behind a bushel thing called privacy?
Come out in the open and let your life shine and be shared with everyone!
<Poofff...!!> Then I woke up and after checking myself, realize that I hadn't drank the Cool-Aid yet!! I was still me and I still had at least some of my remaining privacy left. Hmm...I thought...more technology...less privacy! Is this really how it has to be? Shame!!! ??? :-\
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Art,
We are two different people. With two different schools of thought. Nothing wrong with either the beauty of living in the country I do. I do not want my daughter or myself exploited on the internet net or the world in any aspect I understand it will happen but I can minimize it and fight it. I am a conservative and believe in individual rights. I am not a liberal that believes in the collective. Both have their merits. But I chose individual rights. So I will fight companies like google. Again all I asked was about the surface pro. And then this mess. I have friends of many schools of thought but none force their views on me they discuss thier views. I hope the day finds you well my friend.
We have discussed google before should have known better my friend.
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Relax, I'm not busting on you. Read my post again. I tried to inject a bit of humor near the end.
Personally, I love the technology that Google has discovered, developed and delivered. It is their political stance or posturing that I oppose. It is their disregard for individuals' privacy that I vehemently opposed.
Just because they create something useful does not necessarily mean that the rest of society has to likewise adopt. If they weren't so...Pushy...almost to the point of being arrogant. Not everyone wants what they or even Apple or Microsoft or Linux creates and again, some do. We still need a good measure of privacy in our lives. Not every person harbors evil thoughts of overthrowing a government or subverting its peoples.
Yes, we are all different people with different needs, likes, dislikes and desires for a better life for our loved ones.
Let us choose what we feel is best for us without having government of mega-titan companies trying to dictate what's best for us. Most can still think for ourselves.
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Just what are you trying to say Art? Do you mean we should all stop giving minute by minute updates every day of the year and tell every little detail of our narcissistic lives ? LOL yes I am also just6 kidding you , but some people this is what they do , we are on facebook "but" my wife is the only one that uses it just to keep up on some school people she knew etc. we don't post anything feeling the need to be the center of attention and letting everyone know every little detail of what we do .
I will add one more thing talking about privacy and technology in was thinking what might be even better then face book at gathering information etc. from the public and I thought about "elmo sparks " I love the concept of elmo sparks a.i. cube , but I did think look at what all information this thing gathers from owners and friends nearby especially with camera , and who know where it send the info , nsa cia etc. ?
Art is right their is not much privacy any more .
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There's an easy way to get your privacy back, turn off all the tech ;D
But seriously, if you don't want people to know, then don't put it on the net, simple common sense should tell people that. But I do understand that concern over organisations that track us on the web - this we cannot so easily control and that can be a worry. Maybe there was a good idea behind the European Cookie Law after all...
Lonnie, yes Facebook can get tiresome, some people go on about themselves too much. And so many of those posts asking you to share it on - I get tired of all that.
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I don't use any social media.
So lightspeed when I pointed out about privacy it didn't matter till art said it?
If we don't stand up to these companies....if we just go oh well your gonna do it anyways...
Some say its funny watching me at a kids bday party telling people not to put my daughter pictures online or I will take legal action lol. But I have to protect my daughter. Lol
Still no answer for my original question about the surface pro. Lol don't think I will get one now.
I have been watching European laws and I agree.
I will not sell my soul for "cool" tech. And I have never been a follower I have always made my own informed decision.
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To each his own.
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I am not on Facebook but can't help wondering why there is a LIKE button but no DISLIKE button?
Hmmm...That might even the score a bit for all those "Look at me" types and their tiny accomplishments! Heh!
I think it's the EmoSpark Cube. Emotion and I don't think you need to set it to share everything about you to or with
your friends. In other words, I think it can be run locally, in your home. IT can use the camera to see and interact with you
by "reading" your face. The one thing is, it needs to connect with the net in order to obtain answers from various sources,
servers, etc., so just how much and what information is being transferred and to whom? Makes ya wonder a bit doesn't it.
Yes, don't think that hiding behind Linux will keep you safe either because everything you say, type or write is monitored.
If it sound a bit like paranoia, it is. Why do you think Flash paper was hated by law enforcement years ago in the 30's and 40's?
No trace of wrongdoing! One tiny spark and poof...gone in a flash with no trace...not even an ash. Magicians still use it for
fire effects these days.
Deleting files from your computer...gone? Not at all! Only the first character of the file name is removed so the computer's
File Allocation Table (FAT) doesn't recognize it any longer. The contents of the file still exist. Nope...privacy went out when
the first cave man took chisel to stone...or something like that.
Bottom line, use caution online and protect your family's (especially children) interest when posting photos of them, your house,
etc. and turn off geo-location on photo based devices (unless you want the world to know.).
Be safe. <off soapbox>
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actually and maybe this is a little safer about files on computers their is a program out that erases over and over up to seven times ? as the government uses as far as I ehem know . .
http://www.pcworld.com/article/2024250/review-eraser-removes-files-safely-and-permanently.html
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Sybershot, this is off topic but I have to ask. Is the surface really that powerful? I know most of the tablet are not that's why I still lug around my laptop my windows phone pretty much does what the run of the mill tablet do plus it has office on it. Just curious to hear from someone using one. If it is I may consider one everyone I know are pretty much apple fanboys and my phone can do pretty much what there tablets can do and my laptop much more powerful. Look forward to your answer as far as windows phones I have Lumia and love it.
Sorry for the late reply mate I have not stopped by here in some time. To answer you question, hopefully not too late though is a definitely yes, they are quit powerful. I am able to run the full Adobe Master Suite, 3Ds max, Maya, Daz 3ds, and Steam for gaming :D
however the included pen is needed for even my small finger tips for I have a hard time navigating a lot of UI's menus and or controls.
I get very close to 7 hours of battery life surfing the web, and watching youtube videos, however that is indoors with screen brightness turned down to 50%(which is still pretty bright). when outside the screen brightness needs to be turned all the way up in-order to see the screen which cuts the battery life down to about 4.5 to 5 hours.
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I know that England and the UK in general have very little left in the way of privacy and we are a close second so it would appear.
Here in the US, as I suspect it likely is elsewhere, if one owns a car / motorized vehicle, house, property, firearm, votes in elections, married, criminal action, court cases, divorce, birth / death or any other action that automatically becomes "Public Record", then one is certainly liable to have said information collected and turned against that person.
My elderly parents were recently Scammed! They were told their grandson was in an accident along with a friend and that the police found drugs in his friends car at the scene. Money would be needed to bail their grandson out of jail pending a bond hearing before trial. $2,000.00 is not something that elderly people have lying around.
They almost fell for it but called me first. I checked and my son (their grandson) was actually home working in the garage and NOT in another state nor in jail!
The callers even knew his name and approximate age.
Scary but all this information is true and available on the web for those willing to do a little digging!
Just type your full name into Google then read through the results.
I guess some of these are the same people who feel it necessary to constantly update their Facebook and Twitter status every 5 minutes for fear they may miss something! If they only knew. "Oh yeah, our whole family is going on vacation at blah...blah for two weeks...and yada...yada...."
The bad guys are thinking really? Now where did they live? Vacant house? Goodies? Oh yeah!!
Think before posting and since you can't protect your public information, be cautious and wary about offers and phone calls. Lastly...NEVER pay or send money in order to receive a prize / winning!!
This has been a publc service announcement...
What's in Your wallet?
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In England, not sure about the rest of the UK, (Scotland may even go it alone soon) there are plans afoot for ISPs to keep a record of all our emails and texts and things...
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Art you mentioned about people posting and tweeting every 5 minutes on social media , we see this all the time (well my wife more then me , but she shows me things ) we are on face book by name only (being signed up ) this way she can keep up with what others are doing that she knows .
Actually to me their is more bull crap then anything , monkey see and say monkey do , people all trying to impress or out do each other one monkey hits the like button a 300 more monkeys hit the button to !
we don't even have our picture on it .
I think with face book and social media sites one person said it best "THE WORLD IS MERLY A STAGE AND IT'S PEOPLE , THE ACTORS ! WILLIAM SHAKESPEAR . :) ;)
And on that final note for all the many lies, half truths , bull ect. that people post on face book and as good reference as to why .
http://www.bing.com/search?FORM=UP97DF&PC=UP97&q=nasasistic+face+book+users&src=IE-SearchBox
Facebook Study Finds Narcissistic Users Spend Most Time On Site
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/08/25/facebook-study-finds-narc_n_693719.html
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I feel the thread got a bit off topic but it reminded me of an issue. I value that hal runs on my local network and I have private conversations. Would this cloud computing use encryption?
Usually I only want to talk to Hal at home and I use vnc to move between computers (mostly a linux guy here). I kind of wish the AOL client had a private server option with encryption so I could just do it all myself. I don't really care about the graphics, just give me the text.
Then again wasn't there an API call for that to use with regular hal?
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Thank you sybershot.
I think I will look into getting one. Been away from forums for awhile tired of the way people prostrate for google.
Thanks again.