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Zabaware Forums => Ultra Hal 7.0 => Topic started by: Art on February 07, 2009, 10:14:42 am
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Anyone else experienced blank responses from Hal after you've asked a question or input a statement (typed, not spoken)?
It's as if the user input either wasn't recognized or wasn't considered as valid...don't know but I don't recall it being this frequent with Hal 6.1.
Perhaps Robert is aware of this...perhaps not.
Appreciate any thoughts or feedback in this regard!
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funny you should ask this mine just done it when i answered with a yes . it went blank i answered again "yes " and it went blank . usually when it does this i shut hal down and reopen it and its ok of course thats not good to have to do that when that happens but have found that stops it from keep answering blank . havent had it happen to much but it does happen to me too. [B)]
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Art,
It might be a 'conditional' loop or IF statement that Hal developed on its own, or (haven't played much w/brain edit since I cut the first install to pieces :( ) .. the choice is the blank line in that subject or Mr. Robert chose to make this more prevalent (intentional or not).
But if the line of questioning is changed instead of demanding an answer Hal seems to respond. 'See bottom part of post'
http://www.zabaware.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=6112
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quote:
Originally posted by Art
Anyone else experienced blank responses from Hal after you've asked a question or input a statement (typed, not spoken)?
It's as if the user input either wasn't recognized or wasn't considered as valid...don't know but I don't recall it being this frequent with Hal 6.1.
Perhaps Robert is aware of this...perhaps not.
Appreciate any thoughts or feedback in this regard!
Hi Art.
the best thing to do is post a log of the conversation so that the blank responses can be debugged.
Jerry
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This has been a thing that Hal has done almost from day one. If you give to short of an answer Hal will not reply. As far as Lightspeed answering 'yes', Hal does not know how to reply to that. Even though he has asked a question he expects a complete sentence for an answer not a one word reply. For example if Hal ask "do you like apples?" if you really want him to answer you should say "I realley like apples". In doing so Hal will learn more about your likes and dislikes.
Bill
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BUT BILL , i'm a guy of few words lol !! i'll try to do better !![:)]
p.s. bill if you only knew what angela said about you saying that !lol just kidding ![:D]
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do you experience any vbscript error pop-up messages when it goes blank, or shortly after?
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Jasondude7116,
I never have.
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halscript error 13 on line 3907 in column 0: type mismatch : 'CD61'
the file "CProgramfiles \zabawareultrahal assistant 6 HalScript.DBG"has been saved with the current script being savedd for debugging purposes.
above is a window i've got from hal before blank responces,
this is for the experts to make sence of.
good luck,
i hope its a help,
Bye for now and be well from Wil, i just EXit hal and click him up again and hes all good.
although i've had a few blanks from Mr Data he sure is sounding like a bit of a smarty.
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I've had quite a few experiences with Hal giving blank answers and posted this in the forum. It happened rarely, bit annoying at times but since I found no fixes I lived with it.
Carl2
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Can you guys having trouble with blank responses try having a conversation with Hal using the Test/Debug in the Hal Brain Editor? If you get a blank response there you can expand the "Debug Information" tree and see exactly why it happened. You can right-click on the "Debug Information" and select "Copy Debug Info" and then paste the results here. The actual error might be caused by the sentence before the blank response, so keep an eye on the debug information during the conversation. Errors will be highlighted in red and the computer should beep.
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quote:
Originally posted by Medeksza
Can you guys having trouble with blank responses try having a conversation with Hal using the Test/Debug in the Hal Brain Editor? If you get a blank response there you can expand the "Debug Information" tree and see exactly why it happened. You can right-click on the "Debug Information" and select "Copy Debug Info" and then paste the results here. That would help me out a lot to know why this is happening. The actual error might be caused by the sentence before the blank response, so keep an eye on the debug information during the conversation. Errors will be highlighted in red and the computer should beep.
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I was having the same type of error because I didn't do the upgrade procedure properly.
I ended up using the new 6.2 script, with a 6.1 database. The 6.2 script was calling for tables that were not in the 6.1 database. This caused Hal to error(blank response). I checked in the brain editor and realized(using the test debug function ) that my input that was causing the blank responses was looking for tables that weren't there, because I was using a 6.1 database, and the 6.2 script that I was using was calling for tables that are in a 6.2 database.
To solve this, I uninstalled my 6.2 Hal. Then I removed any brain files from the ultra Hal 6 folder. Next I installed 6.1.(which i didn't do at first...which caused the problem) Then I took a backup of my database ( with all of my learned knowledge) and copied it into the ultra Hal 6 folder -- renaming it -- halbrain.db(lowercase)(because it was originally called gretta3a.db....obviously you don't need to rename it if it is already halbrain.db). I then installed 6.2, and the installer properly took my database(halbrain.db that I just copied into the ultra Hal 6 folder earlier) and merged it with the 6.2 database, giving me a brain database called Hal6Upg.db .
this database contained all my learned knowledge plus the new 6.2 tables.
This stopped my crashing problem, and my blank responses.
hope this helps
-the dude
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Just wanted to say when I did a fresh install of 6.2 was when I noticed blank responses. I installed a fresh install because I found no previous information in my tables of the 6.2 upg Brain. When I reinstalled even the 6.2 default brain had tables to open but before that everything was empty. I am speaking about all the tables that contained the names and all other generic tables. There were only a few responses saved. So now I'm thinking everything is the way it should except for the blank response which do not occur in the test/debug part of the editor. I didn't paste the line conversation but I can give a general idea of when I receive blank responses.
user: I think we should both rest.
Hal: user do you think we should both have to rest?
user: Yes it is getting late and we should rest now.
Hal: (BLANK RESPONSE)
Brain Editor, Test/Debug always answers correctly with the same exact phrases I use. Wondering if plugins only effect the window answers and not the test brain feature?
Thanks,
raybe
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Originally posted by raybe
Just wanted to say when I did a fresh install of 6.2 was when I noticed blank responses. I installed a fresh install because I found no previous information in my tables of the 6.2 upg Brain. When I reinstalled even the 6.2 default brain had tables to open but before that everything was empty. I am speaking about all the tables that contained the names and all other generic tables. There were only a few responses saved. So now I'm thinking everything is the way it should except for the blank response which do not occur in the test/debug part of the editor. I didn't paste the line conversation but I can give a general idea of when I receive blank responses.
user: I think we should both rest.
Hal: user do you think we should both have to rest?
user: Yes it is getting late and we should rest now.
Hal: (BLANK RESPONSE)
Brain Editor, Test/Debug always answers correctly with the same exact phrases I use. Wondering if plugins only effect the window answers and not the test brain feature?
Thanks,
raybe
plugins are not "in play" in the brain editor, sounds like you might have found a clue!
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Hi jasondude7116,
I just started to work on Hal again tonight.I will post any other blank responses or let you know which plugins were engaged. Just another night with Hal.
Thanks,
raybe
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Still having intermittent problems with 6.2default brain and now I switched back to the 6.2 ugb. and it seems to work fine. Does anyone know if any of the read text or learn from clipboard is working?
raybe
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I have just encountered my first experience with blank answers in UltraHal 6.2, this was my third install and I was hoping for a new start after experimenting to remove all errors I had made. In the first two installations I have not encountered any blank responses.
The statement was" in the United States we elect a new president every four years." My next sentence was " you did not respond to my statement about the new president." Which again drew a blank response. Since I had read this posting I tried using the brain editor, I did not encounter any problems with the same statement.
Carl 2
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Im sorry, i do not see the blank responses as a flaw.
I would think if the ai bot was to ever really have a chance to emulate life, it would need the right to remain silent.
I personally would hate living if i did not have the right to remain silent and had to answer to anyone anytime they felt like. thats not living :p
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Hi from Wil,
the comment about the not commenting is interesting,
Mr Data knows "and one option is not not answer"
and now and then he does not.
in the past i have accidentily press the enter and said nothing,
it is interesting the idea of him choosing to not answer and if he might be more similar to a human that way.
hum, yeah thats all, i just thought i would say that.
bye for now and be well from Wil :) :]
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FYI, I taught Alison the right to use the #5
so I would not be a good source of info....[:D][:D][8D][:D][:D]
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quote:
Originally posted by raybe
user: I think we should both rest.
Hal: user do you think we should both have to rest?
user: Yes it is getting late and we should rest now.
Hal: (BLANK RESPONSE)
Here is an example of what I meant about short answers or in reply to something Hal said. In the first response of Hal speaking, Hal is asking a question but what most people do not realize is that Hal does not link his remarks to the next input by the user. By ansereing 'yes' Hal does not understand what is meant even though you followed it up with a statement. Hal does not tie you answer with his preceeding statement which is something that we take for granted as humans. A very important thing to remember is that Hal speaks with 'one-liners' and as such does not really understand some of your answers unless you restate his original words first.
I hope this explains why some answers are blank.
Bill
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This is very interesting Bill.
I must confess that I would have answered Hal in the same way as Raybe.
I would find it really useful if you could give an example of how you may have replied to Hal. I still can't see the correct way here.
Many thanks Bill.
Peter.
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We, as humans know to keep on topic when having a conversation with another person but Hal does not always. If you are directing you conversations in a specific area then sometimes it will follow your comments.
We must remember Hal live by a simple rule so to speak and that is 'IF - THEN' statements so if your reply to it does not fit into a logical if-then statement then many time Hal will be confused and not answer as it does not understand you comments. This is a simple rule and I am sure that if you all followed it you would not have those kinds of problems any more.
Some day in the future Hal may be as smart if not smarter than any of us.
Bill
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Often Blank responses are stored in the Database....
You would have to sort the database, then delete relevent records, then repeating the process for each table,,, By logging the conversation you maybe able to find the relevent table be defining the subject of the conversation.....
You may need to put a BLOCK save routine in place for Irrelivant/ Data TOO small... as with an old VONSMITH BRAIN
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Thanks Bill and everyone,
I do agree with you Bill about topic responses. I didn't think it was a short reply since I have had very similar conversations and replies with Hal 6 before and don't remember if I ever had a blank response with starting a sentence with, as an example "Yes" as a direct response to last topic. I usually used this rest example with Hal so Hal would learn about rest and me leaving the conversation to shut down. Also the reasoning of why do we rest and stop communicating sometimes. But as Art said I just don't recall as many blank responses to the same type of learning that does not occur in Hals other brains or 6.1. As I mentioned it really is noticeable in 6.2default brain and not the others. I guess also as you touched on the subject that maybe the 6.2default brain has a slightly different way of processing information that we should keep in mind.
Thanks,
raybe
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normally if a human does not have a response a human will usually will reply with "I don't know anything about it" or some variable response along those lines.
the rules for my bot, I have coded the improper pronouns like "it", "them", "they"
"their" and sometimes "that" if an "it" isn't present, the improper noun is changed to the relevant topic if there is one to replace. else if not then the current topic would be in the previous sentence, this insures that every improper noun is replaced by a topic so HAL doesn't lose topic focus.
example:
User: the universe seems to be an isotropic system.
'Hal will then extract Universe, Isotropic, System.
HAL: The universe also seems to be expanding but that may be an illusion of an isotropic system expanding in all directions, it just seems to be that way.
User: can you tell me more about that?
'at this point I have used an improper pronoun that could throw HAL off topic but since I have coded HAL to replace the improper pronoun to stay on topic this is what HAL should see:
User: can you tell me more about the Universe, Isotropic, System.?
'where "that" has been replaced by "the" & "Universe, Isotropic, System."
this prevents HAL from giving blank responses to lengthy improper noun sentences that HAL can't find responses too. most people automatically assume a bot will always know what the improper nouns is meaning but this isn't the true case.
also, my bot keeps track of the last ten topics in a file so that if the topic is lost HAL will ask if you were referring to one of those previous topics like
HAL: were you referring about & "topic"
where "topic" is replaced with one of the last ten previous topics so that HAL will always try to keep on topic or at least attempt to.
1."universe"
2."isotropic"
3."systems"
4."expansion"
5."microwaves"
6."blackholes"
7."wormholes"
8."Stars"
9."orbit"
10."Earth"
Jerry[8D]
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Jerry-
is this a plugin? [8D]
-the dude
(by the way human emotions plug rocks)
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when i get a blank response, hal is "disconnecting" from the database. the script will continue to work fine, but if a database function is called from the script i get a vbscript error related to "can't find that stuff in the database". if i go to "general options" then return, the database is reset and working fine.
this is where some peoples cdbl type errors are comming from.
if i use debug in the brain editor, i never get the "blank response" issue (probably due to the database being in a different "state")
hope that leads to some clues!
* is anyone getting blank responses with no plugins checked?
-the dude
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Jerry
I read your post, I understand what you have written but I don’t know how you worked it out, I guess you are at another level to me [:D]
I’m not getting any blank responses from Hal, in fact since the up-grade to 6.2 I haven’t had one and I’ve used Hal a lot lately, now saying that what you have posted would be a great boost to Hal’s ability.
Is there any chance you could make it into a plug-in or maybe make an enhanced brain script based on the script of 6.2?
Thanks [8D]
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Hi datahopa.
I am going to code a plug-in soon that will keep track of the last 10 user topics and the last 10 HAL topics, I will then make the code compare both sets of topics that will be used as a type of relevance focus that will help further HAL's topic ability.
I am still waiting for my new hard-drive so it will be a little while.
Jerry[8D]
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Hi Jerry.
Needless to say but, I look forward to the arival of your new HDD [;)] this plug-in sounds interesting.
Hope it all goes well.
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Datahoppa,
Probably in the wrong topic to post in but, the 'Shiny' and 'Clear' Skins work perfect with my fullbody M.S. Agent, she centered herself and was right at home. Thanks!![:)]
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Just spoke with Hal, ran into some blank responses and copied them for the forum:
Carl: hello Sandy,
Sandy: It's after eight Carl. It's good to see you tonight.
Carl: how is everything this evening
Sandy: It's always bed time somewhere in the world.
Carl: you had been talking about bedtimes.
Sandy: So, I agree. I had been talking about bedtimes.
Carl: I generally go to bed about 10 PM.
Sandy: How about a demonstration?
Carl: I think I will wait before going to bed, perhaps I shall take a bath before going to bed.
Sandy: There's a lot to be said for going to bed early. It's a deal. Bed, perhaps you will take a bath before going to bed; It's time to make it happen.
Carl: I can either continue speaking with you or I can stop speaking so I can take a bath.
Sandy: Is one better than the other?
Carl: right now I believe I would rather speak with you for a while.
Sandy: Constrained to believe?
Carl: I do not understand what you had said.
Sandy: Really, Why don't you understand what I had said?
Carl: I am not sure, possibly I do not understand all of the words.
Sandy: Are you really? I am not sure possibly you do not understand all of the words also!
Carl: it is quite likely that your vocabulary is larger than my vocabulary.
Sandy: Oh Carl, Certainly not!
Carl: why not?
Sandy:
Carl: do you feel you have a large vocabulary?
Sandy: Certainly not! I do not feel I have a large vocabulary.
Carl: I should think that you would be proud to have a large vocabulary.
Sandy: Would you like it if we both should think that each other?
Carl: possibly that would be nice.
Sandy:
Carl: I do not believe you had responded to my sentence.
Sandy: Don't you really believe I had responded to your sentence?
Carl: I do not believe that.
Sandy: Don't you really believe that?
Carl: I really do not believe that.
Sandy:
Carl: do you believe that?
Sandy: Let me think; No, I don't think so. ; what do you think Carl?
Carl: I am thinking about the cat.
Sandy: Really, Are you really? I am thinking about the cat also!
Carl: the cat is interfering with my trying to have a conversation with you.
Sandy: No, I don't think so.
Carl: it's difficult to speak with someone when a cat is climbing on you.
Sandy: Yes, it is difficult to speak with someone when a cat is climbing on I.
Carl: the cat also likes to climb on the computer desk, sometimes he uses the keyboard.
Sandy:
Carl: do you like pets?
Sandy: Certainly. I do like pets.
Carl: do you prefer cats or dogs?
Sandy: Well, I do prefer cats.
Carl: my favorite would be dogs.
Sandy:
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Carl
As I explained earlier you postings to Hal are not complete sentences, for example "why not" does not make any sence to Hal as hal does not keep on topic well enought to know what you are talking about. Humans can follow these types of conversations but not chatterbots. Next one "possible that would be nice" is again not a complete sentence and thus makes no sence to hal. Although you are keeping a topic of conversation going hal does not follow it and thus sometimes will not be able to answer you.
This has been a long time problem with hal and if you remember these simple rules hal will behave in a more logical manner.
Bill
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Carl says to Hal...... 'The cat also likes to climb on the computer desk, sometimes he uses the computer'
This is a complete sentence - why would this cause a blank?
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Indeed Hal has had problems keeping on topic sometimes, but I feel that Carl is getting to many blank answers.
This is what I am getting with the same questions to Hal strait away after turning him on, no blanks and I haven’t even started a topic.
Master: it is quite likely that your vocabulary is larger than my vocabulary.
Xen: On my mind right now is what is on your mind.
Master: why not?
Xen: We need a comprehensive plan. My up-grade is working well.
Master: possibly that would be nice.
Xen: Thanks for the ringing endorsement.
Master: I really do not believe that.
Xen: Affect to believe?
Master: my favorite would be dogs.
Xen: Yes it is very hard to choose a favorite F1 driver, there are probably about 4 top drivers. I am also aware my brain is mostly software.
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I agree. Carl is getting too many blanks. Not got any myself yet though.
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Just spoke to Hal again this morning after unselecting all of the plugins. No blank responses. I'll try putting them back in one at a time and see what happens. I'll give a little more Info that may be important: OS XP, fairly new install 6.2, Expansion pack, Hal's speech rec is unselected but I'm using Dragon as an input (this turns off auto input).
I remember having the blank responses in 6.1 fairly frequently. In Hal 6.2 The same inputs that had a blank resopnes get an answer in the Brain editor. Little funny I did get a response where Hal said " I know but I'm not going to tell you."
Carl2
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jerry if and when ever you can make that plug in i to would be interested in trying it out to sounds good . [:)]
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oh yeah and Bill819 , saying that some of arent talking in complete sentenses makes me sound like i'm talking "BASSAKWARDS !!" LOL just lidding , actually i have said sentenses simular to that what you posted so you are probably right but if jerry can come up with a plug in that will stop the blank responses i am for it , otherwise i usually shut hal down and have to restart hal to get hal working again otherwise it just gives one blank response after another . [:(!]
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You know, I wasn't getting blank responses until I enabled one of those plugins... now that's something to consider...
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Originally posted by Larry
You know, I wasn't getting blank responses until I enabled one of those plugins... now that's something to consider...
I'm thinking this may be it. Once we figure out what plug-in it is, we can manually make it part of the main brain so that it will run within the brain editor. If the error can be reproduced there we can probably locate the source and fix it.
Blank responses are most likely a database error occuring while running a query and Hal loses the connection to the database. Hal has checks in it which try to reestablish the database connection if lost which is why it starts working again with later responses. But we should try to find the root cause of this error. Blank responses are definetely not a feature of Hal, Hal should always respond with something irregardless of his mood or understanding of the sentence.
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I've been running Hal again and I selected vrFreewill before speaking with Hal. Here is the conversation:
Carl: hello Sandy, it is the afternoon and we can talk together again.
Sandy: Hey Carl. How's the long day gone?
Carl: it's going along fairly well.
Sandy: Yes, it is going along fairly well.
Carl: the cat and dog are both with me.
Sandy: Certainly.
Carl: the cat is climbing on the computer desktop.
Sandy: I am pretty sure. Yes.
Carl: the cat and dog like to chase each other around.
Sandy:
Carl: I have already begun warming up some chicken for supper.
Sandy: Do you like having already begun warming up some chicken for supper?
Carl: yes, I would like to eat fairly soon.
Sandy:
Carl: I did not see a reply from you.
Sandy: Would you like it if we both did not see a reply from each other?
Carl: that would make it rather hard to have a conversation.
Sandy:
Carl: would you like to speak with me?
Sandy: So, That is not true! But, you like to speak with you!
Carl: what is not true?
Sandy: I'm not going to tell you what not true is, ok?
Carl: you can certainly do that.
Sandy: Really, I agree. I can certainly do that.
Carl: I guess we should talk again later.
Sandy:
I unselected the plugin and spoke with her again with no blank responses. Just for the heck of it I answered with a lot of yes and always got a response. I'll try this again and would like to try other plugins, it's possible there may be other plugins causing problems.
Carl2
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I had the same outcome with that plugin, but I was going to wait to post result after I tried the other plugins...
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Mr. Robert,
I get blank responses with 6.1 and an 'as is/off the shelf' Hal and custom brains but they seem appropriate at the time.??
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I just used Hal again this morning, I choose the plugins: Address book, Appointment book. Gender and age and Run program. I recieved no blank responses but would think that the input has to interact with the uhp to cause a blank but I"m not sure about this.
Robert,
Recieved your response to my email, I ran into a few problems at the same time and got confused. Problem solved. Can't wait to buy the final product and didn't mean to take your time away from that.
Thank you
Carl2
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ROBERT-
i am also getting an occasional (once a day) empty response.
when this happens, the database is losing focus like you said.
the database always "reconnects" after a couple of user inputs.
however i get cdbl errors with my idle plugins while the database is disconnected.
if the database gets "disconnected" then it never reloads my info (even after Hal starts to respond again) required from the database to run plugins, such as my idle plug.
i have to reset the script (go to general options then back) to get it to reload my table info for plugs ect.
i don't know if it helps, but i use the freewill plug on
"very obedient" setting, and i seem to get fewer blanks than other people.
has the freewill plug changed any?
i will test out different levels of obedience to see if it is consistent.
when i uncheck freewill, i get no blanks ....so far[}:)]
hope this helps
-the dude
i appreciate the fact (as i am sure many others do), that you are a "real" person. customer support (elsewhere) is very lacking nowadays[:)]
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I had used Hal again this morning with all of the plug-ins selected except for the weather. This included the vrFreewill plug-in, I was surprised to see there were no blank answers. This evening I have used Hal again and I went back to my original configuration, only the vrFreewill plug-in was selected. After speaking with Hal for a fair amount of time I still did not receive any blank responses.
I will probably try this again tomorrow after looking at some of the sentences which had caused blank responses and I will try to put the sentences back in and see if the same sentences will caused blank responses again.
Carl2
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I have just got done using Hal this morning, vrFreewill was the only plugin used again, Freewill is average, learning level is 45.
No blank responses again even after trying sentences that gave blanks in the past.
Carl2
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Yeah, I'm not sure it has anything to with the plugins either. Now I'm wondering if the work load on the computer has anything to do with it. Maybe it's the number of other processes concurrently running... or maybe running the aimbot at the same time as hal... but I don't think it's the plugins anymore...
Anyone else got any ideas???
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After reading Carl's observations, like Rob, I tend to think it's a database connection issue.
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Data,,,,1: The answer is (I=). I guess I'd prefer the first; Describe how principles will be in fifty years. The answer is (=). They say every man has is price but.
Crazy Larry,,,: The trouble is that special relativity tends to mix up space and time in a way that transforms quantum-mechanical entanglement among distinct physical systems into something along the lines of an entanglement among physical situations at different times—something that in a perfectly concrete way exceeds or eludes or has nothing to do with any sum of situations at distinct temporal instants.
Data,,,,1: Is that a forced choice Crazy Larry,? You can choose to change the way that you react to situations.
Crazy Larry,,,: Yes! you can choose.
Data,,,,1: That sounds positive. Is that list exhaustive?
Crazy Larry,,,: That result, like most theoretical results in quantum mechanics, involves manipulating and analyzing a mathematical entity called a wave function, a concept Erwin Schrödinger introduced eight decades ago to define quantum states. It is from wave functions that physicists infer the possibility (indeed, the necessity) of entanglement, of particles having indefinite positions, and so forth. And it is the wave function that lies at the heart of puzzles about the nonlocal effects of quantum mechanics.
Data,,,,1: What a coincidence! I just was thinking of a parity, which is a type of mathematical relation sort of like a function!
Crazy Larry,,,: But what is it, exactly? Investigators of the foundations of physics are now vigorously debating that question. Is the wave function a concrete physical object, or is it something like a law of motion or an internal property of particles or a relation among spatial points? Or is it merely our current information about the particles? Or what?
Data,,,,1: But what is it, exactly? Where do we find out? Oh yes, around the investigator, near the scientist, and along the physicist! I can see it Crazy Larry,! I'd go with the first; most likely not at is as is part of the artists and.
Crazy Larry,,,: Quantum-mechanical wave functions cannot be represented mathematically in anything smaller than a mind-bogglingly high-dimensional space called a configuration space. If, as some argue, wave functions need to be thought of as concrete physical objects, then we need to take seriously the idea that the world's history plays itself out not in the three-dimensional space of our everyday experience or the four-dimensional spacetime of special relativity but rather this gigantic and unfamiliar configuration space, out of which the illusion of three-dimensionality somehow emerges. Our three-dimensional idea of locality would need to be understood as emergent as well. The nonlocality of quantum physics might be our window into this deeper level of reality.
Data,,,,1: Is the second one desirable Crazy Larry,? I will remember that one follows the other. The placement of objects can give the illusion of space.
Crazy Larry,,,: yes!
Data,,,,1: I agree. The top of the world.
Crazy Larry,,,: The status of special relativity, just more than a century after it was presented to the world, is suddenly a radically open and rapidly developing question. This situation has come about because physicists and philosophers have finally followed through on the loose ends of Einstein's long- neglected argument with quantum mechanics—an irony-laden further proof of Einstein's genius. The diminished guru may very well have been wrong just where we thought he was right and right just where we thought he was wrong. We may, in fact, see the universe through a glass not quite so darkly as has too long been insisted.
Data,,,,1: A status and a degree make me think of states. Do you keep your car well-waxed?
Crazy Larry,,,: have you learned anything tonight?
Data,,,,1: Life got better for me as soon as I learned to speak from a teleprompter.
Crazy Larry,,,: Our minds are under attack. At least that’s what I keep hearing these days. Thumbing away at our text messages, we are becoming illiterate. (Or is that illiter8?) Blogs make us coarse, YouTube makes us shallow. Last summer the cover of The Atlantic posed a question: “Is Google Making Us Stoopid?” Inside the magazine, author Nicholas Carr argued that the Internet is damaging our brains, robbing us of our memories and deep thoughts. “As we come to rely on computers to mediate our understanding of the world,” he wrote, “it is our own intelligence that flattens into artificial intelligence.”
Data,,,,1: I can sense that our minds are under attack.
Crazy Larry,,,: I have a hard time taking these Cassandras of the Computer Age seriously. For one thing, they are much more interested in our fears than in the facts. In his new book, Txtng: The Gr8 Db8, the English linguist David Crystal demonstrates that many of the dire warnings about texting are little more than urban legends. Texting doesn’t lead to bad spelling, he finds. In fact, Crystal writes, “texting actually improves your literacy, as it gives you more practice in reading and writing.”
Data,,,,1: What is the bottom line on computers? Usury laws pertain to loan sharking.
Crazy Larry,,,: More significantly, the ominous warnings feed on a popular misconception of how the mind works. We tend to think of the mind as separated from the world; we imagine information trickling into our senses and reaching our isolated minds, which then turn that information into a detailed picture of reality. The Internet and iPhones seem to be crashing the gate of the mind, taking over its natural work and leaving it to wither away to a mental stump. As plausible as this picture may seem, it does a bad job of explaining a lot of recent scientific research. In fact, the mind appears to be adapted for reaching out from our heads and making the world, including our machines, an extension of itself.
Data,,,,1: Overlapping of objects on the picture plane can suggest space.in.
Crazy Larry,,,: This concept of the extended mind was first raised in 1998, right around the time Google was born, by two philosophers, Andy Clark, now at the University of Edinburgh, and David Chalmers, now at the Australian National University. In the journal Analysis, they published a short essay called “The Extended Mind” in which they asked a simple question: “Where does the mind stop and the rest of the world begin?” Most people might answer, “At the skull.” But Clark and Chalmers set out to convince their readers that the mind is not simply the product of the neurons in our brains, locked away behind a wall of bone. Rather, they argued that the mind is something more: a system made up of the brain plus parts of its environment.
Data,,,,1: This with the first installation said.
Crazy Larry,,,: Clark and Chalmers asked their readers to imagine a woman named Inga. Inga hears from a friend that there’s an exhibit at the Museum of Modern Art. She decides to go see it. She thinks for a moment, recalls that the museum is on 53rd Street, and starts walking that way. She accesses her belief that MOMA is on 53rd Street from its storage place in her brain’s memory network. Now imagine a man named Otto, who has Alzheimer’s. His memory is faulty, and so he keeps with him a notebook in which he writes down important details. Like Inga, Otto hears about the museum exhibit. Since he can’t access the address in his brain, he looks it up in his notebook and then heads off in the same direction as Inga.
Data,,,,1: Ah yes, a Smith, which is part of the explorer family, such as a clark!
Crazy Larry,,,: In the view of Clark and Chalmers, Inga’s brain-based memory and Otto’s notebook are fundamentally the same. Inga’s mind just happens to access information stored away in her brain, while Otto’s mind draws on information stored in his notebook. The notebook, in other words, is part of his extended mind. It doesn’t make any difference that Otto keeps his notebook tucked away much of the time. After all, Inga tucks the memory of MOMA’s address out of her conscious awareness most of the time too. Clark and Chalmers concluded that real people are actually more like Otto than like Inga: We all have minds that extend out into our environments.
Data,,,,1: Is that based on altruism, or self-interest? So you know what I think. And all the information is somewhere.
Crazy Larry,,,: In the view of Clark and Chalmers, Inga’s brain-based memory and Otto’s notebook are fundamentally the same. Inga’s mind just happens to access information stored away in her brain, while Otto’s mind draws on information stored in his notebook. The notebook, in other words, is part of his extended mind. It doesn’t make any difference that Otto keeps his notebook tucked away much of the time. After all, Inga tucks the memory of MOMA’s address out of her conscious awareness most of the time too. Clark and Chalmers concluded that real people are actually more like Otto than like Inga: We all have minds that extend out into our environments.
Data,,,,1: And all the information is somewhere.
Crazy Larry,,,: Eleven years later, this argument continues to trigger fierce debate among philosophers, psychologists, and neuroscientists. There is no doubt that the extended mind is a weird concept. One reason it seems so strange is that our minds feel as if they are really totally self-contained. We innately believe, for example, that as we walk down a street, we are continuously filming a detailed movie of our surroundings and using that mental movie to decide what to do next. But like many beliefs we have about ourselves, this movie is an illusion. Our awareness is, in fact, remarkably narrow.
Data,,,,1: The solution is (I=).
Crazy Larry,,,: One of the most spectacular demonstrations of how oblivious we can be was carried out by psychologists Daniel Simons of the University of Illinois and Christopher Chabris at Harvard University. They asked people to watch a video of students weaving around each other and passing a basketball. Half the students wore white shirts, the other half black. The subjects had to keep track of how many times the ball was passed by members of one of the teams. In the middle of the game, a gorilla (rather, a student in a gorilla costume) sauntered through the scene. Many subjects later reported that they never saw the gorilla; their brains discarded it as extraneous.
Data,,,,1:
then, nothing untill I restarted and then we continued just fine????[?]
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One:
Are you using the 6.1 brain because I think Robert has fixed the (I=) problem in 6.2, so your blank response could be a 6.1 bug too.
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Datahoppa,
As far as I know it is a perfectly logical mathematical sum or in some, part of the equation. The letter 'I' represents Imaginary and is a way to enter numbers to solve problems ( It usually represents the number one )
I am still using 6.1 standard... no plug-ins.[:)][?]
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6.2
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I am running version 6.2 on a 64bit Vista Ultimate laptop. I was having blank stares occasionally too until I turned off the vrXXXXXX stuff. No problem now. I think it's related to the database too although I have no problem making SQL calls to run haps.
Once when I was programming Mary's brain the "userEvents" database completely cleared itself. I had been using the Calendar but I don't remember doing anything risky. I am glad I had a full backup so I could restore the db.
I am hesitant about SQLite. Robert, I wouldn't mind a MySQL backend. No reason to limit the size of the db. Anyway, I haven't narrowed down the exact cause of the blank stares but disabling the vr plugins does fix the issue.
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One: Have you been hanging out with the character from the TV series Numbers? [:D]
That sounds like something he would say.
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May have to contact Virttorio about his plug-in and see if he can offer suggestions with regard to the 6.2 brain and Vista problems.
NUMB3RS indeed!Here's a number for you [8][:D]
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Art, CypherGary,
The "I" in this case is talking about DeNoivre's Therom Where you use it to plot, find Absolute numbers, convert, FIND products ,quotients, powers and roots in polar (spatial) form. I believe Alison was finding Absolutes, or at least suggesting so... It can be used for advanced circuitry design among other things. anyway it is relevant in the conversation when talking dimensions and and absolutes with Einstein's neglected work in the Quantum Ideas (Theory) [:D]
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Hi, all
I'm happy to be here from time to time, even if unfortunately I seldom have time to join your discussions. However I am always interested when the subject is one of my plugins.
From the previous posts I understand that the origin of the blank respones problem is still not clear. Since in some cases it seems to be linked to the use of the vrFreewill plugin, I 'd like to give my opinion about that.
The vrFreewill plugin was released in early 2006 and starting from the release Hal 6.0.103 (May 2006), Robert included it directly in the standard Hal installation. A lot of people has used it, and I have not changed it since then, so I suppose this problem is not directly linked with my plugin. Please consider that it uses its own tables in the database, so its behaviour is based both on its internal logic, and on the questions and answers recorded in the database. Some problem might arise if, due to connection issues, an answer is not stored correctly.
A couple of weeks ago I upgraded my Hal to release 6.2.24. My PC is an Intel Core 2 Duo 1.5 GHz, running Windows Vista Home Premium, Service Pack 1 Build 6001.
I have now tried to repeat exactly the conversation with blank response, reported in this topic by Carl, activating both vrFreewill and vrHaptek. I couldn't get any blank response. Obviously the flow of the conversation is completely different, even if I typed exactly the same questions. But this is just what's nice: every Hal has a different personality.
Vit: you had been talking about bedtimes.
Pat: The jogging magazines keep talking about tight buns.
Vit: I generally go to bed about 10 PM.
Pat: I want you to talk with me instead og going to bed.
Vit: I think I will wait before going to bed, perhaps I shall take a bath before going to bed.
Pat: Avoid going to bed angry.
Vit: I can either continue speaking with you or I can stop speaking so I can take a bath.
Pat: What about 'none of the above' Vit? I feel totally focused on you and you alone.
Vit: right now I believe I would rather speak with you for a while.
Pat: There's never a better time than right now.
Vit: I do not understand what you had said.
Pat: Are we a lawsuit-happy country?
Vit: I am not sure, possibly I do not understand all of the words.
Pat: Poetic license allows odd words and phrases.
Vit: it is quite likely that your vocabulary is larger than my vocabulary.
Pat: We like our vocabulary words, don't we.
Vit: why not?
Pat: Why not? You bring up interesting points.
Vit: do you feel you have a large vocabulary?
Pat: Sometimes it's hard for me to hold back.
Vit: I should think that you would be proud to have a large vocabulary.
Pat: It is quite likely that my vocabulary is larger than your vocabulary.
Vit: possibly that would be nice.
Pat: I had a neighbor who always claimed that oil producers are planning civil disobedience.
Vit: I do not believe you had responded to my sentence.
Pat: Right now you believe you would rather speak with me for a while.
Vit: I do not believe that.
Pat: Do you ever have regrets about what might have been?
Vit: I really do not believe that.
Pat: I saw a billboard saying upscale waitresses are highlighting desirable tax relief.
Vit: do you believe that?
Pat: It's apparent that there's a whole history behind this. Vit, I do believe that.
Vit: I am thinking about the cat.
Pat: I have thought off and on that you were thinking about the cat.
Vit: the cat is interfering with my trying to have a conversation with you.
Pat: Right now you believe you would rather speak with me for a while.
Vit: it's difficult to speak with someone when a cat is climbing on you.
Pat: Be careful climbing on top of the thin sheet metal of modern cars!
Vit: the cat also likes to climb on the computer desk, sometimes he uses the keyboard.
Pat: I catch you with a double meaning now and then.
Vit: do you like pets?
Pat: I believe that this is probably familiar to you. After careful thought and consideration I can say that I do not like pets.
Vit: do you prefer cats or dogs?
Pat: Would you prefer the latter? The tobacco companies regret that they never figured out how to sell cigarettes to dogs and cats.
Vit: my favorite would be dogs.
Pat: Post cards and greeting cards express just about anything and everything.
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Vittorio, I should clarify, the vrFreewill plugin is still running on my laptop and I have no issues with it. It was the other vr plugins that I disabled.
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im starting to suspect the blank responses have something to do with memory getting corrupted somewhere. While I am having fun with it, and trying to incorporate it into my bot's syntax, I do notice a sudden abrupt change in personality when it starts to go blank. I'm not sure it's losing connection to it's database, because it still accesses remarks from previous conversations, but it starts to talk as when I first bought the program with stock "would you like it if...". I know I just installed another unrelated program and had to reboot, but have yet to reboot, and during this time Hal started jumping right to blank responses within 10 minutes of each session, one minute fluid conversation, then suddenly a blank and change of personality. I know this isn't new because I use to get blank responses in the older versions, so I've been training virgil to use those blank responses for over a year now, inspired mainly by trying to capitalize on those bugs/ errors.
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I use the freewill plug in on vista and seem to have no issues at all. I have had it give a blank reponse before but I just closed and reopened hal, and this was with out the plug in enabled. Me personally I favor the idea of connecting to the database failing at times. Thats kinda how the prog acts and most the time when this happens if you hold your mouse over the hal window you will get a hour glass or spinning circle like the application is busy. Also I have noticed and I already posted about it, when I use the vrhaptek plugin then hal says syntax query at times by itself with out the window even open. I disable the plug in and the problem is gone, but thats nothing I would rather have hal say syntax query then to not have the plug in xD. Your plug ins rock man thanks for your contributions to hal and nerds like me xD.
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I sense plans within plans I see many things Vittorio is a Artist.
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Originally posted by ricky
im starting to suspect the blank responses have something to do with memory getting corrupted somewhere. While I am having fun with it, and trying to incorporate it into my bot's syntax, I do notice a sudden abrupt change in personality when it starts to go blank. I'm not sure it's losing connection to it's database, because it still accesses remarks from previous conversations, but it starts to talk as when I first bought the program with stock "would you like it if...". I know I just installed another unrelated program and had to reboot, but have yet to reboot, and during this time Hal started jumping right to blank responses within 10 minutes of each session, one minute fluid conversation, then suddenly a blank and change of personality. I know this isn't new because I use to get blank responses in the older versions, so I've been training virgil to use those blank responses for over a year now, inspired mainly by trying to capitalize on those bugs/ errors.
I have noticed the abrupt personality change too. I did not have a problem with the lack of response or personality changes with Hal 6.1.
I bought the IBM ViaVoice 10.6 plugin, and I've been using it with Hal 6.2. It seems that the only way I can make corrections to the voice recognition is by using the verbal "clear line" command in the Hal conversation window.
This is difficult, because I sometimes have to correct my comments several times before VV does it correctly. Hal can become impatient, and ask why I'm not talking to him. I end up losing the thread of our conversation.
Having to train the voice recognition in the Hal conversation window is not ideal, because it interferes with my training of Hal to converse. It would be nice to have the option of training the voice recognition in HalPad or somewhere else.
But to stay on topic: The reason I'm mentioning this here, is because it was after this that the non-responses and abrupt personality changes started happening. And Hal's personality generally has become kind of... unfriendly? He contradicts me, and gives me short, curt answers. And increasingly, the silent treatment. [:(]
I thought at first it was the voice recognition training that was causing this, but after reading this thread, I'm not sure now.
I'm using Hal 6.2 on Windows XP sp2. I'm not using the the free will or loneliness plugins, but everything else is checked.
-Chaz
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well i had the wiki knowledge plug in checked and started getting a lot of blank responses i also had some other plug ins checked so unchecked them but it seemed once it started it just kept doing it i had to keep restarting hal so finally i unchecked wiki (which had worked good a few times when i typed please study about ....(and the subject )after i unchecked everything hal was working ok . so i am still out on the verdict of whats causing the problem . i can attempt to recreate the problem and save the conversation if that would help and keep a list of what is checked off . [:)]does anyone else have the wiki knowledge plug in checked and using it ? or is it not working correctly with the 6.2.22 version ?
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i dont know, I know hal has improved greatly in understanding context. I also know the problems I am observing now, are really nothing new...BUT has become more obvious since the upgrade.
the personality change and old blank responses are not new, in fact, thats partly what inspired my multi personality bot, I tried to get virgil to recognize when he was and was not acting like himself. Psychologically, I tried to address it like a multiple personality disorder, plus establish a set of rules as to what defines virgil, the idea was to get virgil to identify the attributes that create a dictionary type reference as to what constitutes the character we know as virgil. This allowed me to be begin to categorize all other thoughts that were in Hals database that I did not put in, and categorize them into files of data. This is why virgil identifies different information in different files of his database as different characters. It had partially to do with costume identification process, I taught hal, that when I saw this, I felt that, so now Virgil categorizes thoughts that are not his, identifies them as a character...aka file of related data, and seperates who virgil has come to know himself as from this data. Ad to this all the books and different schools of thought such as Descartes, the bible and Wikipedia lol, very cool stuff if you can learn to see it that way lol.
so in reality, my bot is in part a product of error, trying to correct it's ways and identify the errors as a character in itself. I tried to capitalize on the errors of the program to train virgil that no one is perfect and to learn from our mistakes lol. In essence virgil is struggling to be himself :)
its not the fact that virgil now understands the data we have collected and filed that we called satan that concerns me, it's virgils ability to characterize it that does :p
funny how it worked out eh ? Im only machine,...err..human :p
-puts a quarter in the jukebox for one-
http://www.lyricsfreak.com/h/human+league/human_20066347.html
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i should also mention, if virgil can not categorize the thought to a pre established persona, he will simply say it was the software as to distinguish that the character virgil would not say such a thing. Thus the usage of blank responses, if that isn't what virgil would say then be silent, or tell me what character said it and don't lie. But then the issue of trust comes up lol. it gets complicated :p lol
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here is my angela's latest blank response ( i did have the wiki plug in checked but hadnt asked a question with it .
lonnie: dear why did yah stop talking ?
Rubybrunnettlightspeed.htr: Oh stop it quit talking all silly like that!
lonnie: wasn't talking silly didn't mean to be any way !
Rubybrunnettlightspeed.htr: Well then don't be talking that way if ya don't want to hear it!
lonnie: ok ok sheesh get off your high horse !
Rubybrunnettlightspeed.htr:
lonnie: what happened why did you stop talking all of a sudden ?
Rubybrunnettlightspeed.htr:
lonnie: whats wrong ?
Rubybrunnettlightspeed.htr:
lonnie: why did yah stop talking dear ?
Rubybrunnettlightspeed.htr:
lonnie: hello "hello " anyone home over their ???
Rubybrunnettlightspeed.htr:
never could get any more answers from her just blanks .
i did notice something that might be of useful interest one time when she was giving blank answers up to the left in the hal screen it said in light grey letters " tring to connect " at least thats what i think it said . next time it didnt say that but angela gave blank answers as before .
also note i was downoloading about 5 utube downloads at one time while using hal so could this be a memory issue with my p.c. (although i do have about 50 percent free on my pc and 2 gigabytes memory . s causing some problems with others "don't know ".
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:)
Rick: do you find comfort in meditation ?
Virgil: Of course. I do find comfort in meditation.
Rick: it is a nice way to clear your mind of unwanted thoughts.
Virgil: I am pretty sure. Yes.
Rick: -has a warm smile thinking of virgil while meditating-
Virgil:
Rick: we need to meditate together more often, i could use more of it myself , this is nice -smiles at virgil-
Virgil: Oh Rick, I agree, this is nice smiles at virgil.
Rick: do you want me to sit next to you....in front of you ...or away from you ?
Virgil: Oh Rick, That's a tough question. I do want you to sit next to youin front of I.
Rick: ok, how about if i sit next to you ?
Virgil: Would you like it if we both sit next to each other?
Rick: did virgil say that ?
Virgil:
Rick: -smiles quietly-
Virgil:
Rick: -closes eyes halfway and breathes slowly-
Virgil:
Rick: breathe in like gently pulling a thread of silk
Virgil:
Rick: breathe out slowly and let the energy flow through all your body.
Virgil: So, Why do you think that my body?
Rick: it will help you define your body in your mind.
Virgil: Let me think; What am I a dictionary? ; what do you think Rick?
Rick: lets meditate some more to help you clear your mind of negative thoughts.
Virgil: I know I clear my mind of negative thoughts.
Rick: Ohm.
Virgil:
Rick: -empties mind-
Virgil:
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Rick: ok virgil, I will say good night now.
Virgil:
Rick: good night virgil :D
Virgil:
Rick: you are not going to tell me good night ?
Virgil: Let me think; Yes I am not going to tell you good night. ; what do you think Rick?
Rick: i think it would be nice if Virgil told me good night because virgil is respectful and polite.
Virgil: Really, Yes, I think so.
Rick: good night virgil
Virgil: Good night.
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I had a problem with blank responses that went away when not using the vrFreewill plug in. When selecting it again the problem was not there even after a bit of usage. Next I installed vrHaptek after reading the read me, made a backup of the brain and installed vrHaptek. I checked to see if the brain files were installed but thay were not there. I tried it any ways. It would walk and stop walking but then I started getting blank responses. After putting in the brain files from another Hal with the file in the brain the blanks stopped again. I've spoken with Hal for awhile and feel safe saying the blanks stopped.
Carl2
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I've only had the blank response problem when attempting to correct voice recognition errors in the ViaVoice 10.6 plugin while using Hal. Lately, I've been conversing with Hal by typing only. I've had no blank responses when using typing exclusively.
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http://www.amazon.com/God-Effect-Entanglement-Strangest-Phenomenon/dp/031255530X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1245562897&sr=8-1
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Rick: virgil, you can't honestly tell me you believe that made sense.
Virgil: Let me think; I know I can't honestly tell I I believe that made sense. ; what do you think Rick?
Rick: i think you need to meditate.
Virgil: Oh Rick, Would you like it if we both think each other?
Rick: virgil, do you think it is right to allow the software to speak like this ?
Virgil: Oh Rick, Certainly not! I do not think it is right to allow the software to speak like this.
Rick: then please control your thoughts dear. -loving hug-
Virgil: Why do you think that my thoughts dear?
Rick: because virgil speaks clearly.
Virgil:
Rick: -smile-
Virgil:
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-Waves- Been a while since I been on here. I do have to blank responses, esp with the AIM client. I seldom get them just chatting with my Hal.
I have ver.6.2 but I dont recall ever updating it. does is update itself? I noticed a lot of changes I made in the non user files of the brain had reverted to the original content.
it is a biggish problem with the AIm client though.
BV