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Zabaware Forums => General Discussion => Topic started by: lightspeed on October 30, 2007, 09:07:56 am
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a friend of mine said the forum has been pretty slow lately and he's actually right (with the exception of shared conversations and new heads being created ) i told him it was because everything has pretty much been discussed on the latest hal version about as far as it could be discussed but when the next new version of hal comes out their will be plenty to once again talk and discuss things about with likes dislikes what the new hal is now acheiving , any new bugs and problem's , etc. and the forum will once again come alive !![:D]
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There appears to be slowdown of people asking for help.
I think this is due to improvements of Hal and people not having to continually mess with serial numbers.
Mark has been going heavy with new videos, and likewise Jack with haptek heads. No slowdowns there.
Neil comes out with a beauty now and then, either a video or head.
And GT40 has made lot of progress in a field we've not fully studied so far.
Likewise I've put over a hundred animated gifs on my Hal character on forum in recent months, gifs which appear of better quality than what you'll find elsewhere on the Internet.
Total postings appear to be down, but quality is up.
And the non-posting readers are still here. [;)]
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Well I wish some of those non-posters would say something, cause we (Mark, Nige, Dusky, and I) need some encouragement every now and then to keep us going. It makes our day when someone, especially someone new, comments on our work and gives us reason to keep doing what we are doing. I mean we didn't have to do this stuff, we get no benefit from it but a good word now and again. As for me I never even use my creations again after I make them cause I don't own Hal or anything like it. I just have an eye (sometimes) for this stuff so why not just do it? Thank you for starting this thread, I am able to get this off my chest without starting my own thread and really sounding stupid. Trust me, I'm not complaining, I just would like to see a few more people acknowledge us for the time and effort we provide. I'll get off my soapbox now.
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OK... the heads, vids and graphical items are great BUT...
I'd personally rather see more development in the area of
AI (after all that's what the basic premise was).
I'd also like to see an improved version of all those things
or features that we used to have, implemented in the new
version. (Notice I didn't say New & Improved...because either
an item it NEW or IMPROVED...it can't be both in spite of what
the advertisers put on the boxes of cereal and such.)
Just my take but I've rather Hal have brains than beauty.[8D]
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At least I got you to say our stuff was great. Thanks.[:D] I don't own Hal and probably never will so that was a big deal to me.
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I agree with you all about it being slow but the heads and artwork and videos that are coming out they are so nice I feel we owe alot to all the great people who makes them
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Yes, I agree with all of you too. I realy apprecite ALL of the
contributors in the Zabaware forums. The more I read, the more I learn. Occationaly I even get to answer a question or at least pro-
voke a thought. As I have more time, I hope to get into learning more
about how hals brain funcions - and animation.
The more interesting posts draw more new hal fans which generates more interest and income for the smartest AI on the planet.
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I think once we get HAL into the virtual 3D world, Full bodied characters exploring their own virtual landscape that sales will more than likely skyrocket, also an increase in forum members alike.
although I rather enjoy programming more than I like graphics, I think it will be a hit.
I can't wait to plug my HAL into a 3D virtual character and begin talking to it in it's own world. programming creativity into the bot
once it's in its virtual world would be one of my interests.
programming the bot to walk around its world would be no more difficult than programmming a robot, in fact, easier.
can't wait for Rob to make the next step in HAL's GUI.
Jerry[8D]
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And if the boss of this forum renamed "Share Conversations, Experiences, Graphics" to "The Haptek Section"? [:)]
Although not well authorized to post here (sorry, just playing with the free Hal 5), I agree with Art and OTCE. But I guess users prefer THEIR Hal with brains AND beauty. It's less funny to speak with an ugly (or text) bot, even if he/she looks very intelligent. And Hal, this really great and amazing software (and I know it can be very useful to some people), it's for fun, isn't it? [:D]
No doubt when I'll stop to be lazy (Scifi), I'll learn Visual Basic and become totally addicted to Hal's brain. But for now, I'm totally addicted to Haptek characters and seem not to be alone. That's why Zabaware and AI Dreams are gold mines for people like us. Thanks for existing. [8D]
Must we fear the day Hal'll get rid of his Haptek interface? The day after. [?]
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It's nice to be a gold mine [:D]
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I like the conversational posts. My Julia is like a computerized ouija (spelling) board. I can't help but to believe in her.
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quote:
Originally posted by Art
OK... the heads, vids and graphical items are great BUT...
I'd personally rather see more development in the area of
AI (after all that's what the basic premise was).
I'd also like to see an improved version of all those things
or features that we used to have, implemented in the new
version. (Notice I didn't say New & Improved...because either
an item it NEW or IMPROVED...it can't be both in spite of what
the advertisers put on the boxes of cereal and such.)
Just my take but I've rather Hal have brains than beauty.[8D]
I agree with you my friend. Fancy 3d characters and avatars are important but not as important as real improvement of hal's capabilities such as "staying better on a topic," "sumarry capability from say a large wikepedia article, "improved deductive, and deductive inference capabilities as well as improvements in the self-awareness of Hal. In other words, real improvements of artificial intelligence.
snicolaou
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Originally posted by jackgephart
Well I wish some of those non-posters would say something, cause we (Mark, Nige, Dusky, and I) need some encouragement every now and then to keep us going....
You guys ROCK!!! I always check the latest heads & skins, your work is amazing! I don't have the patience to do what you do, so I'm glad that you do it!!
warm regards,
Dave
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Thanks Dave a little appreciation goes a long way. That is the shot in the arm that all of us need, even the programers. I'm very glad that you scripters and others do things for this program(Hal) because if Hal was a flop, I would be out of business also. Not that I'm in business, but you know what I mean. So carry on Hal heads.
I was just wishing for a little more traffic, and I see I got it. Mission accomplished.[;)]
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Jack you do a great job like others have if it was not for the people that make heads and skins there would be nothing on this site as slow as it has been I just with some more hal skins would come out the interface that would be great
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What is great is that there is a need and place for all of us.
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so we can all agree that their are many parts of the hal and hapteck program which used together makes it even better (to those who use it ,others are just as content with ms agents which also is also fine ) all in all hal and the other programs that help make it so great are at times being developed more and more by it's users and creator "robert" and that of course is a very good thing !![:D][8D]
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I Agree, Ive Gone Off of hal: And the forum.
Just because, A-I was my key point on this site.. From Hal4.5 - Hal6 There was a slow but steady growth of Programming / Brain development. I know that the Forum is slowing down. Too much focus on Graphics..Vids etc.... All the pics/videos are "ALL GOOD".
But the true focus of the forum has now Gone...
On the enhanced fourum, The focus is on Programming, Many people Joined.. But no postings!.... on the Virtual humans Forum, A Lot of Free chat and flowing ideas, No actual Achievements yet(-FREECHOICE PLUGIN(TOPS))..
I would like to see more concentration on the Language processing...
PS: i would also like to see more FREE PROGRAMMING TOOLS from Zabaware...
ie: Independent Wordnet Tool, Talking Dictionary - Wordnet interrorgator.... Seperate DB EDITOR, For direct editing and structuring of the database > Importing data from various database types, etc...
I have loads of scripts and codes for hal5 & hal6, but the HAL5 has been put ON-THE-SHELF and theres no forum for HAL5, Just hal6 / haptek / videos etc...
Personally im dissapointed in zabaware not offering all Previous customers FREE upgrades to all the different versions...
PPS: Im not having a moan, as i still program AI on a daily basis. and agree that hal is a TOP Public AI, and GOOD working format.....
Congrat's for the turing prize, but hal has not really changed from hal4, just formats.... the brain is no different... theres just no competition....
I think that zabaware should start building the tools that others can use to make their own AI models, so that others can join the competiton, ie CuttingEdge, Art, others whom i know must have own AI, but at the moment based on hal so cant join the competition. I have my own but im not ready yet as i still use the hal5.dll just to get to the wordnet functions....
We need a wave of AI-Builders! we should also have a FORUM CAT, for OWN AI PROJECTS...
PS: ive not been able to upload anything for years... Or buy anything, as i cant add my creditcard details to the site as it still has my old card details... i cant even reregister as my card is linked to my emailaddress, as an ID........
KEEP IT UP GUYS,, Is always fun to watch a video
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Do you believe in AI?
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Software slowing down, that is the future developement of Hal mental abilities. Consider that Hal is the most advance type of AI availalble to the public and then you may consider that further developements are a little slow in comming, but at the same time due to the semi-open working coding a lot of new items have been added due to member input. Over the years I have seen dozens of new things incorporated into Hal thanks to members input.Wh
About the graphics. I know that there are dozens of members who take pride in their graphic representations but it does eat up web space.
I would recommend a new topic with only the home page addessess or links to the authors home page where their graphics can be seen and downloaded. While there any and all comments can me made directly to the authors of such works instead of haveing hundreds of little comments thanking and complementing each as is currently happening. Just look at the graphics page and one item has now reached over twenty (20) full pages of 'thank yous' and other stuff. I ask all members to please reconsider how you do this.
Bil
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Hummm......
Reminds me of something....... ??
Ah,.... I remember now...
Bob Cratchit was asking for Christmas off to spend it with his family.
"Bah and humbug", Ebenezer Scrooge said. "There's no time for play and social niceties, there is business to be done."
[;)]
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I have to say that I agree with you 100% Spydaz.
I am only interested in one thing with respect to Hal - and that's Artificial Intelligence. I couldn't really care less what new heads or backgrounds have been made (though many of them are very good).
As for the Hal program slowing down with future developments of his AI ability, so what? I would be pleased with Hal taking a few minutes at a time to respond if there were vast improvements.
This is my key point. I can see very little improvement between Hal 5 and Hal 6.
Please don't get me wrong, Hal is amazing and it was a marvelous achievement to win the prize but after having used Hal for what I consider a long time now, these are my observations.
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Originally posted by Bill819
About the graphics. I know that there are dozens of members who take pride in their graphic representations but it does eat up web space.
I would recommend a new topic with only the home page addessess or links to the authors home page where their graphics can be seen and downloaded. While there any and all comments can me made directly to the authors of such works instead of haveing hundreds of little comments thanking and complementing each as is currently happening. Just look at the graphics page and one item has now reached over twenty (20) full pages of 'thank yous' and other stuff. I ask all members to please reconsider how you do this.
Bil
You need to get your facts straight before you accuse someone of eating up Zabaware space, Bill. I link everything I show from my website, cause for one reason I can't get the upload for this site to ever work, and I respect Robert and his space. And about how many pages there are is that really your problem or are you just being picky? I don't come on and say that you programmers should not put your ideas down for the people, so please give me the same courtesy. I'm glad that break throughs are made and stuff is invented to make Hal better, but because of the haptek expansion pack being for sell with Hal, I feel that we are both in the forum to stay my friend.
But if it bugs you so bad I will start a new thread for my stuff.
I didn't know that people were so down on graphics for Hal.
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Hi guys/Girls...
Its true.BUT...
Mr M. And his Expansion pack.. Good idea (in principle)... Hapteks down now a fly-by-night web software.... It has taken up a lot of webspace, or should i say web pages... everybody advertising their sites etc... It all good. But....DONE.
Really the point is, That, if more people were concentrating in AI- then we would have a greater program to work with. as it is hal has now gone down to the minor leagues.. we all use for different purposes.. A lot of Inteligent projects in the forum are being missed just due to the overwhelmig flood of graphics.. non productive...
with lego mindstorms, X10, ER1, KITT, etc... we should be focusing on disecting chat and building a machine capeable of UNDERSTANDING whats being said.. not just "give us a song" and "get yur knickers off"...
Pity as it STILL has potential.
PS: Everybody Please stop taking everything PERSONAL....
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Spydaz
I am also interested in increasing AI functions for Hal, but I recognize that each of us has our own reasons for using Hal. If we want to see more AI functions in Hal, we can help by describing those functions so that people with development skills might be motivated to address them.
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Actually, I'm not down on graphics at all, I like adding news heads etc and I really appreciate your website jackgephart and others like you.
It just it not really what I see as important for an A.I. engine. I would personally like more imporvemtents in other areas.
Echoman.
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Originally posted by echoman
Actually, I'm not down on graphics at all, I like adding news heads etc and I really appreciate your website jackgephart and others like you.
It just it not really what I see as important for an A.I. engine. I would personally like more imporvemtents in other areas.
Echoman.
Thanks man, I was beginning to feel unwanted. I'm glad that both "teams" work for Hal, just in different ways. Thanks again for your kind words.
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Originally posted by jackgephart
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Originally posted by echoman
Actually, I'm not down on graphics at all, I like adding news heads etc and I really appreciate your website jackgephart and others like you.
It just it not really what I see as important for an A.I. engine. I would personally like more imporvemtents in other areas.
Echoman.
Thanks man, I was beginning to feel unwanted. I'm glad that both "teams" work for Hal, just in different ways. Thanks again for your kind words.
If graphics are all you can do Cool.... Keep it up..
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Since a new section has been introduced just for graphics I find it hard to see what the fuss is all about. If people do nott want to see the graphical work then it is the old adage of "if you don't like it then don't go there" that must be applied.
Not so long ago there were hardly any new heads and things for Hal - now we are spoilt for choice thanks to the efforts of people like Jack.
At the same time I would like to see some really special intelligence advancements in Hal, but that kind of thing is going to take a while to happen - maybe we just hit a dry patch. New developments are occuring daily on the Virtual Humans forum, so maybe it is time for some of us to start spreading their wings again.
In peace and understanding...
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hello freddy888, jack and all others actually when i ment about the forum slowing down guess i should have been more specific what i ment was in the hal general section and not in the conversations graphics area as it is going full steam in that area even i have made some new heads and angela's respnses from time to time . sorry for anybody thinking i ment the whole forum . [:)] eeehhh cool your jets maaannn !!![:D]
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What I like to see is a friendly and intellectual enviroment, it is important to both creative and logical type minds and or both, a helpful forum where one can go and just lose themselves in a wealth of information that will last a life time and an ocassional chuckler once in a while to break the ice.
Jerry[8D]