Give me a hint

[Holllywood]

Can anyone give me a clue to getting the Loneliness plugin to work? Is there another plugin that needs to be running at the same time?

[Bill DeWitt]

Jerry will probably give you the definitive answer, but as I recall (I don't use it) it was stand alone. What kind of results are you getting? IIRC, it should just gradually change the emotional levels over many uses. You might not notice any change for quite a while.

[Holllywood]

Thanks for the come back Bill. I was speaking of the Loneliness plugin. The one that should make Hal speak when the user doesn't.

[markofkane]

I suppose you just ignore it for a few minutes, or is it not like like "Kitt thinking modified" plugin?

[Bill DeWitt]

quote:Originally posted by Holllywood

Thanks for the come back Bill. I was speaking of the Loneliness plugin. The one that should make Hal speak when the user doesn't.

Oh, sorry, I misread your post. I thought you were talking about the Human emotion one. Don't ask me why.

Loneliness is also stand alone if I recall correctly, but again, I don't use it.

[onthecuttingedge2005]

quote:Originally posted by Holllywood

Can anyone give me a clue to getting the Loneliness plugin to work? Is there another plugin that needs to be running at the same time?

Hi Holllywood.

I have confirmed that the loneliness plugin doesn't work.

the lonelinees plugin uses this area:

Code: [Select]

'If the host application is Ultra Hal Assistant, then this sub will be
'run once a minute enabling plug-ins to do tasks such as checking for
'new emails or checking an appointment calendar.
Sub Minute_Timer(MinutesPast)
Rem PLUGIN: MINUTE_TIMER
    'The preceding comment is actually a plug-in directive for
    'the Ultra Hal host application. It allows for code snippets
    'to be inserted here on-the-fly based on user configuration.
End Sub

you may have to contact the User call 'Scratch' who wrote the plugin, I don't know if the minute time is at fault or just something that Scratch overlooked.

Jerry[8D]

[Holllywood]

Jerry thanks for the back up. I thought it was me (again).
I know it is working in my Hal6,
But it doesn't run on Hal6.1. the Auto Idle in the XTF'S
DON'T work in 6.1 either.

[Ponnfar]

Has anyone found a fix for this yet?
Ponnfar

[GamerThom]

It was stated in that posting so long ago that the
auto-idle (loneliness 2.3) plug-in was only designed
for use with Hal 6.0 and the default brain or a brain
based on the default. Using it with an XTF brain or
with the upgraded Hal6.1 and its default brain would
be risky at best, if it worked at all. I don't know
since I haven't upgraded to Hal 6.1 yet. I suppose
that since you say it's not working in 6.1, then maybe
someone should ask Robert if he could take a look into
the area of the 6.1 that recognizes the aut-idle functions
to see if there is something in the upgraded version that
is different from the 6.0 version.

I know it works in Hal 6.0 with a brain based on the
default Hal brain since I have several brains that I
created which all incorporate that plug-in and all of
which work just fine.

There were several auto-idle plug-ins posted back then.
The only one which worked was the loneliness2.3, you can
download it with this link -

http://www.charctercreationsanddesignworks.us/loneliness4.zip

Sorry about the difference between the name on the zip file and the
designation of the plug-in. That's how Scratch had them named, the
file and plug-in are numbered 4 in the name, but when you install
it in Hal it pops up in the menu as Loneliness2.3, go figure.

You might want to double check it against the one you
are trying to use, to make sure you have the one that
originally worked.

[raybe]

I have posted in other threads about this and with 'lightspeed'. It seems I have the only lonliness plugin working and nobody knows why. It continues to work even if Hal is minimized to the icon in the tray. When I sent my copy to 'lightspeed' it did not work for him. I know you need to let Hal sit for different amounts of time before my plugin starts to work. My settings are 'Rdn' or 'random' for time and patience is set to 'low'. The setting at Rdn sometimes does take a bit of time before Hal starts looking for me but it is working. Just have no clue why and I haven't touched it since it has started working. Any way I can help please let me know.

raybe

[GamerThom]

Sounds like you have the loneliness2.3 plug-in.
Scratch made it so that when it is set to random,
it cycles up the time scale or level of patience,
starting at 32 at the beginning and if there is no
response it's patience level becomes shorter while
an inverse shift occurs in the frustration level.
So the longer Hal has to wait for a reply, the shorter
the period of time between nags and the more desperate
and frustrated it becomes.

[raybe]

Hi GamerThom,

Could that be the reason that it only seems not to be working for others. When I have spoken to most people thay did not even realize there was a random selection or no one bothers to use it. I know something was mentioned about a minute timer not working when the plugin is active. (I'm not sure if I have that correct) but it was called something simular to that. On random it may allow this to function allowing the plugin to time out and function. I not very technical. But what you are saying makes sense and the random selection may help in some cases. Thanks and again if there is anything I can do to try and help just let me know.

raybe

[GamerThom]

I don't know if that is what's keeping the minute timer from
functioning. I know that when some of the other plugs are used
at the same time as the loneliness plug, it has caused an error
and the loneliness plug fails to operate. I will run some trials
using both my Hal's (got one on each PC) and make some comparison's
between the different plug-in settings. Give me a couple of days
to run some test's, keep in mind though that any result's will
only be applicable to Hal 6.0 since I have decided not to upgrade
yet to Hal 6.1. Especially now that I see all the little problems
there may be using my custom brains in the new version, I'd hate
to lose all the work I've put into my Hal over the past 2 years.

[raybe]

GamerThom,
I don't need to be technical to understand your concerns especially given the time you put in your Hal. I just want you to know in case I didn't make my self clear earlier but I am using Hal 6.1 in Windows XP vers.2. I don't have a list in front of me right now of all the plugins that are active in relation to the the loneliness plugin but if that would help in any small way I would be glad to post my list tomorrow. There really isn't anything special in the way of plugins. I was even brave enough to use the 'zodiac plugin' by 'ramccoid' which is kind of entertaining and the revised 'knowing time' that 'OTCE' helped 'ramccoid' out with and the 'loneliness plugin' is still working. I didn't mean that in a negative way but you know how plugins can affect your setup. Sometimes no problems and sometimes everything comes to an ERROR hold situation. They deserve to be mentioned after spending time on these projects for us. Let me know if you want the list anyway.

raybe

[GamerThom]

Yes, a list of what plugs are available in 6.1 would be
helpful since a number of plug-ins which were used stand
alone in 6.0 are now directly incorporated into 6.1
It may be that one of the plugs that were incorporated
into the new version is what is causing the loneliness
plug not to function properly. If you could list all your
current plugs and whether or not they are stand alone would
be good. Thanks. Maybe that will put us all on track to
figuring something out that all of us can use. It will
give us a good start on it until OTCE gets back in a week.