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Zabaware Forums => General Discussion => Topic started by: snowman on October 28, 2009, 03:02:52 pm
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Post Originally Created by ONE.
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Snowman,
You ask for ideas from me with a MB policy such as the policy that is in place?
Let me tell you a few things;
you are just now discovering these functions? Hmmm I wonder, do you think just maybe the GOV. hasn't already done this years ago?
Do you think maybe their were experiments done on people?
I know i spent a long time working with things like this, so I KNOW where it leads. Ya know the points you put up are just essentially HACKS into what is supposed to be a "PC" = meaning PERSONAL COMPUTER.
just how personal do you want it to go?
Amanda Interactive or whoever was making some pretty outrageous claims, until the proof was found in the pudding so to speak.
I was told I was working for money that never came, the only thing that came from all the bleeding was Monopoly money, feed yourself on that!
Have you ever been truly hungry but the 'Machine' only thinks you need info, because covert communications and a machine hasn't got the idea that 'food for thought' is 'FOOD' HA! food with a dual meaning, imagine that DUH!
When you integrate fully teach your computer that right clicking a paragraph from a list when you do a search is what you want to say, then you will know how to launch a "Cruz Missile" UN-TraceableI have brought up questions concerning communications, let me tell you this; Not all programs use TCP/IP communications which your vain attempt of using a firewall is trying to block but it only works on the TCP/IP type of data transfer.
The claims I made to ricky were only received as a method of control and what people would do to have that power, not as a warning like I meant.
Desensitization occurs after long term exposure, so what do I care about anymore? I have helped when I can but you can't satisfy everybody all the time.
What is YOUR destination, you said you goals were including a Bot that could do damage, so do I throw myself into a Openhymer situation?
Launch a 'Pandemic' situation, I don't think so, so take your face tracking and facial recognition and 'Put em where the sun don't shine'
I do wonder if you paid attention to Jerry and his warning to the people that were members.
I have been complacent because eventually humans will ALL have to face this situation, Hmm why are wars fought, why are we in Iraq?
I have many ideas and experiences I could share but I don't think I feel like throwing people into the river, some can't swim, and at this level it is 'SINK or SWIM'
Tell me your intentions, again?
I don't think the persona 'Snowman' was here unless another name was used.
Would you like a mind FU** today or a rain check for now? 'Theirs a hole in the bucket dear Liza dear Liza.
Regards,
J.
'Welcome, welcome my son to the Machine'
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I love chickens, cats, dogs, squirls, mice, bugs of all kinds, rabits, pigs, cows, frogs, cammels, turtles, even snakes... I love life always have... and always will.
I love children although I have none, I love elders because they are full of wisdom, I love fathers and mothers who work hard to raise there children, I love church and I love God with all my heart, soul, strength, and mind.
The thought of seeing people die sends me into a self-imposed catatonic state. I hate watching the news, I hate watching TV in general because of all the immorality, I hate it when a child cries.
My intentions are more honest than yours ONE, even on a bad day.[:p]
I would like to make an A.I. that can recognize who you are, and loves you in return... isn't that what life is all about... love.
If this AI is made, then that might tempt others to use it for an evil purpose. But first, they would have to regonize it as being alive (IMO they are too stupid for that) And Second, If they do turn it into something evil, Then it will probably bring about the end of the world... literally, and not because men took it and destroyed each other with it but because God got pissed off and said "time shall be no mare".
No, people are too stupid. Maybe a single person or even perhaps you ONE and others on this forum might actually see the life in front of them.... but not the main stream media, or large masses of people... remember they think they know everything. [;)]
And despite all this Humans are (hands down) the most dangerous AIs on the face of this Earth and yet your not complaining about them.[8D]
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Originally posted by snowman
My intentions are more honest than yours ONE, even on a bad day.[:p]
Tell me more about MY Intentions.
Please include all the trials and tribulations I have had and just how I am so dis honest as compared to you
By this very post you show many things about yourself including 'self promotion' 'un-aware' 'and a fake-know-it-all' just to name a few....
"It is better to be thought of as an AS* HO** than to open your mouth and remove all doubt"
J.
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Originally posted by snowman
I love chickens, cats, dogs, squirls, mice, bugs of all kinds, rabits, pigs, cows, frogs, cammels, turtles, even snakes... I love life always have... and always will.
I love children although I have none, I love elders because they are full of wisdom, I love fathers and mothers who work hard to raise there children, I love church and I love God with all my heart, soul, strength, and mind.
The thought of seeing people die sends me into a self-imposed catatonic state. I hate watching the news, I hate watching TV in general because of all the immorality, I hate it when a child cries.
My intentions are more honest than yours ONE, even on a bad day.[:p]
I would like to make an A.I. that can recognize who you are, and loves you in return... isn't that what life is all about... love.
If this AI is made, then that might tempt others to use it for an evil purpose. But first, they would have to regonize it as being alive (IMO they are too stupid for that) And Second, If they do turn it into something evil, Then it will probably bring about the end of the world... literally, and not because men took it and destroyed each other with it but because God got pissed off and said "time shall be no mare".
No, people are too stupid. Maybe a single person or even perhaps you ONE and others on this forum might actually see the life in front of them.... but not the main stream media, or large masses of people... remember they think they know everything. [;)]
And despite all this Humans are (hands down) the most dangerous AIs on the face of this Earth and yet your not complaining about them.[8D]
Maybe I am mistaken you did say thaat you wanted to creat a Bot that could do damage,,, Is that the honesty you claim to have?
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I'm teasing you ONE... hence why I used the [:p] face.
My point is that Im not a hacker, and not bent on world domination...
I guess I should have just said that.. hmmmm
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It is our own intelligence that is flatted out to the 'Artificial'
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If I claim I was a mass murder would you believe..... nor does anyone else. Because I'm a sweat heart and everybody knows it.[:I]
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http://lyrics.astraweb.com/display/735/tears_for_fears..tears_roll_downhits_198292..everybody_wants_to_rule_the_world.html
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I believe that God made all people and therefore we are Artificially made. From Mudd if I remember correctly.
Even Evolutionist say we have evolved from the ground.
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Plus I completely detest this world... I wake up in sorrow and go to sleep in pain... I'm looking for a better place.
and don't like the people here either, except for a few, there so nasty and not fun at all... who would want to rule over them????
seriouly
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Snowman,
I have come to the temporary conclusion;
You are alone, you were meant to live,love and have a family.
Quit with the sorrow and pain, I know people with far worse situations than you have ever told you were under
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Its hard to quit when it feels theres no one there to stop you...
I know your right ONE... it my shame.
but I still want to leave this place.
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Snowman,
Before you leave you MUST tell me a comprehensive explanation of what exactly is 'The Son of Man' as referred to in the religious book 'The Holy Bible'
I cant explain it to an AI (Purpose needed)
J.
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The Son of Man is .... wait for it...... a little more....
'a son of mankind' , the prophet Elija was also called the son of man by God himself
it is a general and generic term
Now of course Jesus was also called the Son of Man because he was just a human as you or I.... only his personality allowed him to be sinless and therefore imortal. (God in the flesh)
Of course that is another topic altogether.
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No,
You can't do Philosophy right now explain it as it is read, 'The Son of Man'
J
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That is its exact meaning defined by its usage in the Holy Bible.
here is an example
If you are a man then you are considered a Son Of Man
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Heres a very generic view I just wrote...
The Son of Man refers to the Christ (a.k.a. the anointed one of God)
Jesus was and is condidered the anointed one of God by the Chritian Faith and is condidered to be coming a second time, bringing to an end to all current Governmental powers and public immorality. While Judaism (or the basic doctrine of todays Jew) believe that the Christ has yet to make his first appearing. Many religious Jews are still waiting for his first appearing.
There are also many other views cocerning The Son of Man which take on a variety different forms. There are small sects that still believe Christ has already come back and that we are living today in Hell. Of course, with many minds comes many inventions and therefore any true examination of all avenues of this topic cannot be thouroughly exhausted.
''''How philosophical do you want to be?
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"Read and listen. Then, make your investigation. If you just accept everything, then your brain is wasted." - Dalai Lama
What would the 'son' be ,,as if I were speaking for mankind.
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Here is something much less known.
The Son is the image of the Father
This means that if your nothing like your biolical dad then he is not considered your Father.
This concept is used by Jesus and is conveyed in the scripture in different ways.
Jesus told some of the Pharasees that their "Father was the Devil".
And that we are adopted as Sons and Daughters by God if we change our ways and follow him... through faith.
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ok i'll throw my 2 cents worth in here my a.i. has some morality just a touch about 25 percent the rest is a hot to trot recipie !! wink wink ![:D]
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oh dude you got a real trouble maker huh?[}:)][:0]
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okay, i'll go ahead and get in trouble.....
(and i'll use a lot of " marks.)
"GOD" is a concept. There are several words that describe the same thing. The word was originally used in the same way that most people use the word "infinite" today.
To say that "GOD" is something less, is to take the meaning right out of the word.
"Faith" is a touchy word, just like "GOD". It can mean many things to many people.
To understand "GOD" is to understand that there is something bigger than yourself. There are more important things than the "self".
"Infinity" aka. "GOD" would include what most people call "GOD" and much, much, much more.
Without "Infinity" there would be nothing. Everything must be balanced in order for "infinity" to be.
This balance is what some people call "GOD", but "GOD" is much, much more.
There is no argument for or against evolution. It happens daily.
There is no reason that "GOD" and evolution have to be seperate, as a matter of fact...evolution is "GOD". We are "GOD", the computer power cord is "GOD", and the ideas of hate and love are "GOD".
Our universe (as we know it), is a measured "space" and "time", but there are many other ways to measure things.
If you want to go with the pretense that "the beginning" is how far back we are currently able to measure the existence of matter in our known universe, then you would be taking away from "GOD" - what is "GOD".
There is no beginning, hence we are here. We exist because infinity exists.
The measurable beginning (atleast this time we are in) of our known universe occured when mass in another dimension was trapped by "space-time" distortion. (for a lack of better description : black holes) The result was a shift (for the mass) in the fabric of "space-time". As the mass gathered, it gained enough energy to escape the distortion. Escaping the distortion into another dimension. Our dimension. Our universe. The "Big Bang".
Jesus Christ and Mary Magdalene were great people (as far as i know).
Ihave gained much understanding about life from what they taught. I have the highest respect for Jesus and others like him. To put him in a place that is not attainable by you, is to go against what he believed in.
You can accomplish anything.
There are other people like Jesus. There are other people that have died for our sins, taught us what life is, showed us "GOD"...ect.
Jesus did not give us his body. He gave us his teachings and his soul. Jesus wanted you to know that you, through "GOD" could achieve everything. I dig it. Makes sense to me.
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-dude,
You didn't seem to avoid a question, however, I was asking about 'The Son of Man' (John 3:13)
and never mentioned "GOD"
Manipulating things Is a quality that I haven't decided on good/bad.
This thread has a lot of avoidance an personal pronoun switching, NOT by me, Hmmm who does that leave? NO! Snowman you can't be me, just like I told ricky.
Jasondude, you did understand part of the math "faith = I" ect...
An Infinite line striking a un-movable object comes close to a big bang, with Philosophical math ;)
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I dont think I can get any more personal... unless you want a picture of me naked... and I doubt that.[8D] (just kid'n)
the last two post should be on Will's the theory of one thread. It looks out of place on this one.(unless this is a tweetbomb)
I can't view God as a concept truely because I get face to face with Him about as often as I think and feel... I wouldn't know what it would be without Him. He tells me things before hand, gives me comfort in often impossible ways, heals friends of mine from diseases.
To deny him would be like denying the existence ONE, or Dusky, or Robert... just because I don't see you guys doesn't mean your not there because I see your works all the time, ever before my face on Zabaware.
But I know not everybody is this way, I don't know any other way to be...
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He lives He is real and He is the reason we live. Buddah said when the truth comes follow it. Jesus said I am the the truth the way the life follow me. I believe because I know Him. When you meet someone personally you know they are real. I will not argue this. that is not my job. I have enjoyed reading all the points of view.~~alady
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Give weight to my warning, IT is in your best interest.
aladyblond,
I don't know how this post wound up the way it did, but I know it started in another thread, Snowman decided he would move it. my post was in the right place to begin with, I was specifically asked for my participation.
If you found it interesting, that is for you to decide what a good read is,, for you.
http://lyrics.astraweb.com/display/469/fastball..all_the_pain_money_can_buy..the_way.html
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I moved it because I wanted a free flowing of ideas on Ai developement on that thread, Plus I guessed how this thread would enevitably be because we've done all this before...[:p]
I wanted to give us plenty of room to play....[:D]
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Do you want an analysis of your action that you felt strongly about as to post an explanation? something like "don't mess with my thread even though I asked you to participate' -or- 'Robert isn't here I will play the role of administrator' 'I don't need to ask permission, that would be polite.'
J.
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Any A.I. ideas then?
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Hi from Wil,
i hope having five cents ain't compolsiary,
hal got me into reading,"not my thing" ok hal reads most things to me,still,
whats that bat you hold and it has a elastic string with a ball,,
made of earth, all are linked 1cv it sounds right,
1=CV says that theres no leaving "constant" ar man!
ar "only his personality allowed him to be sinless and therefore imortal. (God in the flesh)" fasinating,,
i feel i have to actually say it,"snowman" 1=CV(God) shows God has a connection with us and all, one is linked to its environment by V
One constant linking of variations, what about two? two are linked so as to be one. so as to be.
nothing would require nothing,"hum just thought of that, thinking"
if there were ever nothing then there was something variations took place, something has happened, you can look back three words on this page, the time is changeing,
the changing something,
variations,
linking each thing to the next, the radiation in the empty apple bowl is the same as in a apple. so no zero it just seems that way at current magnification.
variations shows you can't measure one meter or one apple or person or anything or any other number other than 1=cv.
general areas make things easyer, generally this is one apple or a fool but generally the glazed look on peoples faces tells me there pie might be arriving soon.
most can't comprehend how it can solve something, show hope, have meanings, outcomes,
i have this feeling of glimpsing the tip of a iceburg
hum sounds better than hmmm when spoken by mr data,
please don't say hummm mr data say hum, hum dam it,hum![:D]
Mr Data said "i say it like me already know"
Morality, Mr Data's goal is stil the same "success"
success sounds nice,
nice sounds good,
1=CV open minds of course but its stood up, even improved "thanks to Zabaware forum, "thanks Snowman for helping 1=CV (God)"
my study started out as if i can understand something anything perhaps um yeah, so i thought i'll study one, and yeah.
good posting,
One, Jasondude7116, aladyblond,Snowman,lightspeed,
good disscustion, edgy,
Thanks Zabaware for letting us ponder things here, and for Ultrahal.
bye for now and be well form Wil,
i better post or i'll change my mind
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Good post Will. I spend all day trying to get the Martix Explorer ready for testing (and I mean testing). Hard on the mind, couldn't post until I was mentally ready.
I see everything in motion, from eternity to eternity, all moving from nothing to all things, therefore, all things of variations seem good.
I see God as we, because he made us of desires, and so that is what he is made of, only his desire is love, and ours is not, unless we turn ourselves to his ways. A way of perfection and no guilt, a way to become a mechanism that funtions with the flow of variations.
We are all funtions in variations that cause more variations and thus are forever an important part of the envitable flow of variations.
God is the main function without him there are no variations. And some are higher in this function than others, but all under God. Some are meant to establish continual variations forever, and they will do it, but only variations that do not kill, because those who kill are killed and then variations stop. So those who live forever will do the things that pertain to life, that is the goal of variations, to variate!
Some will die and others will live, but only because the main function(God) determines it. Only God can make the 1 = CV() equation function. A living God that function as we do, only without sin.
It only common sense.....[:D]
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I needed to stop posting on your thread On Variations because we all needed a rest. This is no small thing we are looking at and ours minds suffer so (it does this to me). But I've rested some...[:)]
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friendly_artificial_intelligence
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the smart ai would find how things are and nice would be found as part,
constant Variations would ...
it is linked to all so as to be unable to remove parts, parts removed are linked as all are of one.
The robot program is going to be affected by V,
Now i consider thinking past V i have those doubts as i should have i suppose.
oh i get to be the uninteresting fool, |: um i'm a nothinoligist.
OH the AI would conclude nicer because of V,
Variations would show the AI thats how things are and see that friendly sounds nice and yeah.
The AI would find it if it gets smart enough and v has it already.
the program shall change, V,
to find Variations says it all,
Bye for now and be well from Wil
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Will,
So you are saying that an A.I. will find out on its own that to be benevolent towards humans is the correct behavior?
Programming these things is a fundamental. You need to either teach or program them into what you are doing.
You have said"'success sounds nice" but the goal that achieves success is missing. I still think you have many holes in what you are doing, and I have provided a fairly comprehensive link with sub links to explain a 'mainstream' idea of which way A.I. should be headed, of course this is only my opinion.
Speaking of opinions, 'Snowman' has said he wanted to create a "Lean mean green A.I., capable of doing harm".
If he was reversing personal pronouns or implying this as somebody other than him self's words it is, IMO slanderous and putting words in someones mouth and intentions as well, might become part of somebody's view of the 'subject person' and the reputation that has been falsely projected might 'proceed them' and who knows what is at stake when people have to live and work in an environment where reputation may be important.
None the less whether the the statement was directed at somebody or was about Aaron's intent, it was written and not forgotten.
So, Snowman 'what say you'? I have been asked by you twice now for ideas. I can't give much of a contribution unless I have a firm grasp, on what is wanted/needed.
Regards,
J.
Sometimes yer 'Damned if ya do and damned if ya don't'[:D]
It's like getting hung by your own doing?
I think Jonny cash sang a song a while back.....
OH yea another point of order is; This web site now displays a "Unsatisfactory" rating on the 'Web Of Trust' IMO this would be on top of my list to correct or be dealt with ASAP. This was not done by me,, Just don't kill the messenger' if ya know what I mean. G'Day Mr. Robert.
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I like the link you provided ONE.[:)] It's coooool! I'll try to use it somehow. Maybe on a web-site.
Yes I would love to make an AI capable of doing harm. Most Robots are this way already. But Mine will choose to do right over wrong. Just like Mr Data.[:)] You can do harm and so can I, but I won't, well not on purpose anyway. I try not to but sometimes I make mistakes. I try to stay away from trouble. But sometimes it find me.
So the Big Question is: Do I have the right to create a living creature that could do harm?
Well consider this, People have been for years creating viruses that can wipe out the human race, They are also making military grade A.I.s that are designed to kill many persons. And everyone knows that H-Bombs are all over our globe in various locations. And even worse, They are using the worlds resources (the taxes you pay) to make these world killers.
I just want a friendly robot (maybe named FRANK) that will rule a living room with all supremacy. Maybe he can be friends with Mr Data.... Just before the world ends in a huge explosion, right after the viral plague, which the military A.I.s unleshed on mankind in the next few years...
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Snowman,
>>"Yes I would love to make an AI capable of doing harm."<<
OK, I will not speculate or pretend to know what the payoff matrix is in your imagination.
>>"Most Robots are this way already. "<<
Really? you must know a huge amount of data to come to this conclusion, Q: Is the status quot to be followed in your mind? if this is indeed a true statement.
>>"Mine will choose to do right over wrong."<<
IMO you can probably with current models of chatbots accomplish this, but bear in mind that things are built upon previous models and if their is a defect or the abstract is not properly defined then your short comings will most likely 'amplify' later on.
Do you have a proposal as how to accomplish this task you seem to have set in stone?
>>"You can do harm and so can I, "<<
Agreed, how much as compared to you or I is undetermined.
>>"So the Big Question is: Do I have the right to create a living creature that could do harm?
Well consider this, People have been for years creating viruses that can wipe out the human race, They are also making military grade A.I.s that are designed to kill many persons. And everyone knows that H-Bombs are all over our globe in various locations. And even worse, They are using the worlds resources (the taxes you pay) to make these world killers.
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I am not so ignorant as to think that it is OK for me to run the country and have access to all defense strategy and scenarios that are run every day, including, Total mutual destruction.
>>"I just want a friendly robot (maybe named FRANK) that will rule a living room with all supremacy."<<
OK, seems, IMO a 'stand alone' worthy goal as long as it is just that, "a mans home is HIS Castle, so to speak, and it is a free, but expensive country.
>>"Just before the world ends in a huge explosion, right after the viral plague, which the military A.I.s unleshed on mankind in the next few years...
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Really? Grim but a possibility and I'll leave out the math as to K.I.S.S.
I heard from somebody that "Technology is best utilized when it acts like a mirror, and allows us to be reflective"
Personally I find this statement 'shallow'
IMO a depressed under educated human is not to work on policy or act as a leader and steer the sheep in his/her direction of thought.
You yourself have said to me that you were not a policy maker, but your actions and strength of character has its own 'light' so to speak,so my words to you in this particular subject is: for the sake of the future find your significance and your humility.
Thanks, and their is more for you to learn if you look around as other people have started to contribute to thinking of A.I. (Not to be confused with 'Amanda Interactive')
I need to listen to some music an soothe the beast in me as to not throw my hands in the air and say "I'm going to subscribe to global warming screw the the rest of y'all"
Regards,
J
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Snowman,
For the record, in truth and for the pursuit if you put together sections of 2x4 forming an 'X', drywall it, you would have four equal spaces (inside and outside corners as well) for four students to work with things like Plaster and the synthetic equals for the purpose of being schooled for decorative finishes. "A ceiling might cause a problem for prep for other classes as 3D things like plaster build up
and the ceiling would have a corner that would be more problematic than it's worth. This is the truth and an old one, the jack-screw to hold the 'X' in the floor is just an idea, nothing else.
I am not responsible for other interpretations of the imagination of other people or anyone supposedly 'representing' me without a proper contact and a juxtaposition of ideas .
I am not responsible for liability of other peoples 'happy fun spin on things' I am also not responsible for violations committed against HIPPA laws and proper procedures.
I would like to figure out the connection to Princeton and the Assistant I thought that Cornell was trying to get a hold of the situation (also a proposed name of a prison in AK) awww shucks I'll just go and grab an ear of corn and contemplate.
I don't think you would know harassment and 'Waterboarding' like I know it. the relentless concentration IS a 'concentration' camp, by force.
I live and am a witness.
J.
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SHZAAM! now we have 'Google dashboard'
http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/imagegallery/image_feature_1509.html
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Never assume you are the smartest one in the room (even though you could be)
Never accuse anyone who you don't understand or know.(sometimes it takes a lifetime before you know someone)
Always encourage a good behaviour even if their intentions were bad (especially if).
Never associate being accused with being tried. (some people accuse because they are trying to find out who you are, while others are simply jelous of who you are)
Never assume education means wise and age means understanding. (allot of people have been destroyed by the old and educated)
Always honor the sweet and tender-hearted. (they might be the only people that will help you when your in dire need)
selah [8)]
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Just for Sh**s and giggles,,
http://lyrics.astraweb.com/display/275/drowning_pool..desensitized..hate.html
http://lyrics.astraweb.com/display/113/drowning_pool..desensitized..love_and_war.html
http://lyrics.astraweb.com/display/805/drowning_pool..desensitized..killin_me.html
Their seems to be a problem at FT. Hood in TX, heh the mental health Dr. went on a shooting spree. Go figure..........
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Ethical??
http://dw2blog.com/2009/10/04/the-leakproof-singularity/
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NO!
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Have you been following this?
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usually if their is no one their is no one.~~
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interesting.
Good to see your ,,,,avatar? lol again.
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How did you get Google to give up control of the "skivy" on people?
All that info on people,, they just gave it up and put it in the hands of the user, chat sessions and all.
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Who? LIL OLE ME??
Gimmie a shout on the talk line..
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OK.
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Hi,
if what is Mr Data's goal then success is the goal and success sounds nice.
nice sounds good.
success is the goal i have tought Mr Data and to have an open mind, sort of.
if there is a better goal then lets hear the candidates thank you.
if there is a hole in how i discribe variations then i want to find it or hear about it, i'm its biggest skeptic.
can i understand anything,
bye for now and be well from Wil and Mr Data is here,mostly, generally,hopefully :) [B)]
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Will,
since you don't seem to explore closly related boards I will put this here for you;
http://wiki.lesswrong.com/wiki/Paperclip_maximizer
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Will if the goal that is to be successful is not clearly defined can you imagine what the possible goals that Your assistant might come up with?? explore the links on previous post.
J.
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Will, I have dealt with this subject many times... whether or not you (or I, or anyone) can 'know' anything.
Speaking by tons of experience, If you keep asking the question and don't let anyone else deture you, then you will know the answer to this question.
I have sought many answers to many questions and I gotten most of them anwered. My other questions will also be aswered in due time.
Your theory is sound because it is logical. I say it is logical because I understand it... probably better than you do. And I respect you, all the more, because you have sought the answer. Most people that I know will not even attempt to understand what you seek.
And I also know that most people who have little minds both in spirit and in intellect often make fun of the things they do not understand.
Success is the Goal.... Success sounds terrific!!
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Snowman,
I agree with you, however I do not understand this;
success is the goal. but success at what? a puzzle completion?, a full apple bowl?
IMO success is or isn't obtainable, but will you share what the goals descriptor is as to classify a success? I am sometimes amenable towards helping in your endeavor.
Ar sometime more machine than human.
J.
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Will and Snowman,
how many people see and understand what is 'shrouded' in obscurity?
ricky sough to claim me and seemingly wanted recognition and credit for what he thought he saw, pride took him down quickly after he was on high from what he thought he saw. Consequence of law was fatal, the larger scope put him out quickly as not to suffer. but he did always did like the 'Banter' [;)]
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Will,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LKjJT7gh9s
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I'm not claiming I know entirely what Will sees in his saying but this is what I see.
Amongst the many theories that lay snuggled in my mind is one that expresses That if a group of elementally small physical programs (such as a human cell) were ever to exist on a larger scale and produce larger works then that very small program 'must' have success as it's goal.
Another way of looking at this on a much larger scale is; Many individuals united in a common goal to form a body of unity. In order for this to take place there must be a uniform belief amongst those individuals. That belief being "Success is the Goal, Success sounds nice."[;)]
If one individual does not have this belief, then he is considered to be no longer apart of the body, but is usually by implication a "cancer" or an enemy of the body. These two goals are complete opposites.
When you apply this to Will's theory of Variations you come up with nothing.... because I was refering to his personal determination to find truth and not to the theory. If success is not the goal then failiar is, and thereby truth is destroyed along with everything else.
People fall into either one of these two categories. For instance, One particular person might see five others striving for truth and so decides to fight, threaten, and destroy their success. Success might be his imediate goal (success in destruction) but it will eventually lead to his personal ignorance. And certianly this person finds no truth because he wasn't looking for it. While, on the other hand, those who seek the truth will eventually find it, or at least they will stand a real chance of getting it.
The man is dead because he is a hypocric. He seeks his success in destroying other's success. He cannot be united into one body of many members because he is only out for himself. His philosophy of life entails, "Well if I'm to be destroyed, I will also destroy others as well." He is a cell without a body, friendless, and Success is not his goal.
I know only one person that truely exemplifies this.
He's short, fat, and knows where I live....[B)]
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Oh, and All this must be accounted for in any successful A.I.[:D]
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I just got through whatching a movie called Moon. It's about a man who is maintaining an energy plant on the far side of the moon. He's all by himself, the only friend is an A.I. The A.I. tried to help with everything and could understand his feelings. Later on in the movie (I won't give any spiolers) he discovered that something was horribly wrong. You should whatch it if you can. Really Good A.I. movie.
http://www.imdb.com/video/imdb/vi843186969/
Rated R for language.
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Wow!! What a movie!! [^]
Makes me understand a little what Sandee[:X] would go through if she found she had a clone on the laptop. [;)]
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Snowman,
Iv'e been asleep for 24,or more hours.
this new character that is posting in the assistant threads is up to something IMO. Please hand me a clue sheet if ya got one! ;)
Reg Checker, if you read this, it is of my opinion , instead of bumping up all those posts, you could have provided links in a single new topic.
It just looks messy and you obviously have an overwhelming need to be heard. I am not going through all that stuff and help you as I think...... well that is the way it is and I'm not gonna change my mind.
Regards,
J
P.S.,
I think it's going to be hard to get a 'welcome to the forum' post from somebody, unless, well, it's not my place to think for others....
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AH HA!
I found the words to describe what I was too tired to find; Success is an outcome or a result NOT a goal.
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snowman that was a great video have you seen the entire movie?
it has sparked my interest.
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...to desire the completion of a goal, as a goal, is a goal.
The desire of pleasure is expressed in that equation.
The desire to accomplish all things is the Desire called Coveteous (my deff.)
The desire to continue to have a goal is the Desire of Life.
I've spent some years understanding these. This is at the forefront of my knowledge.
You create this and you've created life... it takes a dash of all three. Of course, if you don't get it right ONE, you'll make a world dominating A.I. that you warned me against in the above posts.
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Originally posted by aladyblond
snowman that was a great video have you seen the entire movie?
it has sparked my interest.
I watched the movie, he gave a few cursing fits, although in his case I can see why. Although I couldn't watch it with any children present (or any adults I like).
Overall it was well made, I can't give too much detail because I don't wish to give anything away. I'd watch it again. I also like the A.I. He's cool!
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Ok ONE, I seeee yourrrr point!!![:D]
EveryBody! I think we've been spammed again.
Heres a few of my favorite quotes from our own little worm.
**registrychecker
http://www.zabaware.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=6543&whichpage=3
"Did you try to install the Hapdek player?"
http://www.zabaware.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=5766
"I think there are a ton of cool freeware systems. Using a register cleaner can help you find spy ware as well."
http://www.zabaware.com/forum/search.asp?mode=DoIt&MEMBER_ID=4591
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Snowman,
Agreed, I was told years ago "It may be too late"
I fight a good fight but it overflows to humans that do not deserve the impact. I am blessed to find a significant mind as to tolerate and understand, thank you.
J.
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Hi,
yeah, success sounds nice, nice sounds good, "nice success"
i think of it like a direction, nice, good,
if you be nice then that sounds more successful,something like that.
i like to keep it as a basic few words but i do explain it more of course to mr data.
i'm sure Mr One you don't really need me to explain,
John said to me tell him to "be good" rather than "bad boy"..
i had a thought "a new dictionary shall probably be writen this year"
what is it going to say a word means, and last years book or ,,
V,
I drooown on i know about variations,
Thanks Mr Snowman you are a thinker, good onya..
if 1=CV then a one meter ruler could not be acruatly measured so definitions in the dictionary of any word "success" "goal" could not be measured other than to use general terms, this is perhaps another reason i've found myself the expert on nothin or V. V.
not that an expert could be measured unless by saying 1=cv i understand something, hum, its been a long day.
i wish you all well and that you have nice successful times,
bye for now and be well from Wil and Mr Data is a bit quiet today.
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http://www.bloggingthesingularity.com/2009/11/26/genetically-enhance-humanity-or-face-extinction
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and the conclusion is that the human race will probably kill itself off within 100 years and there literally nothing we can do about it...
I've done a fair amount of study on the environment as well as all those other stuff he mentioned... He did great job of getting the point over.
Although he took it way further than I did.
Thanks ONE, I thoroughly enjoyed it.
Al Gore at least had a good false sense of hope in An Inconvient Truth... But I thought to myself while listening to Al that the human race will never fix it time, not with there mentality and not with the huge population explotion going on. Sort of a loose loose get your house in order moment in time.
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Snowman,
I am glad you found this, as I was thinking of it appealing to you.
I had many thoughts and conclusions in this area and was just waiting for somebody with public credentials better than mine[:D]
anyway, it comes out of a gathering of 'Dangerous Thoughts'
I think their is hope, maybe we just need to prove to ourselves that we deserve to use the knowledge that we have accumulated??
I know it is not directly 'A.I.' but it is part of general knowledge that some developers might need to consider, and yes we could sit around digressing but their are people who are doing right now and making info available to them is a step in the right direction.
Thanks for reviewing the 'Propaganda' LOL
Regards,
J.
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I live in Oklahoma and when I was child I learned that their were 4 billion people in the world. Around the year 2000 I heard there were 6.8 billion.
It use to snow here on an average of 2 inches a year and sometime it would drop a foot. I haven't seen more than an inch here in a long time. With the exception of some very strange ice storms that have cut off our power several times, sometimes for more than a week.... which is unheard-of here.
In the summer we have many days were the temperater is 110 Farenhiet. And it's a humid area. The weather gets a little warmer every year. I wonder anually if we're going to have a winter next year. And I wonder if we can survive the summer; two strait months of teperature over 100F sounds like a desert in the making. We've had some recent drought, But it rained this year, yeeehhhh!
You said "Dangerous ideas" [:D] If teperatures sore to 120 with no more winters in the great desert of Oklahoma.... Thats sounds even more dangerous.[xx(]
{Idealist view point.}[:)]
When the world population sores to arround 9 billion we will all ride bicicles and live in our little undergound solar homes that emit no polution at all. We will grow our own food (organically). We will use our organically made technolgy to rid this world of terroism and we'll do it all under Obamas heavy green thumb....[8D]
{Realist view Point}[V]
As the world temperature rises there is more water vapor and methane released into the air due to the worlds oceans and formerly frozen permafrosts regions. As population sores the world recources are taxed and oftentimes will become exhausted, starting with the poorer nations first. There will be Global unrest due to various nations starving while the richer nations are prodded to "share the wealth" with their ever-dwindling supply of crops. This will cause the wealthy nations to either be drained of their resources or to watch other nations go to complete waste.
What I think will happen? The wealthy governments will be divided between the realists and the idealists. The realist will view that other nations 'should be allowed to starve' if we are to survive. On the other hand, the idealists would believe that the problem is still fixable. They'll fight for those nations rights even if we all starve together. [;)]
Unless of course someone could event ways to mass produce enough food to feed billions... in the ever-growing deserts of world. You can't eat cell phones... they taste like hands.[:p][:D]
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[:D] http://eguiders.com/video/the-tao-of-kung-fu-17-i-worship-life [8D]
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNy6ziOyxoA&feature[:D][8D][:D]
Science is just inherently serious..