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Title: Mic won't work with Vista
Post by: Hollywood1 on March 18, 2009, 03:43:32 pm
I can't get the mic to work. I'm running Vista I keep getting the Message"The wizard could not start Make sure your audio hardware is working properly. Any help with getting up and running with the mic would really help.(handicapped)
Title: Mic won't work with Vista
Post by: JohnSFV1 on March 24, 2009, 03:01:41 pm
It is a shame no one can help me figure out why hal won,t recognize my mike.

How about some of the old timers helping me out on this
Title: Mic won't work with Vista
Post by: Cefwyn on March 24, 2009, 06:53:02 pm
Well, I've got a mic working just fine in Vista-64 bit with just plugging it in and starting up the vista voice recognition and microphone setup stuff. Unfortunately there isn't any real way of knowing why a piece of hardware doesn't work on Vista as the drivers are just badly written most of the time. If you go into Control Panel->Sound->Recording and don't see your microphone on the list then it's not plugged in, has a bad connection, or any number of driver related things could be wrong. If it's finding the microphone and it's just hal not working then things get trickier. I find that I have to start up Vista voice recognition and then set it to off so it doesn't try to run any of what I say as commands to it. Just tell me any further information you can provide and I may be able to help out better (ie. microphone being used, are drivers installed for it, all that nonsense).

EDIT: Also be sure when your in the sound settings that your microphone is selected as the default microphone. There should be a green checkmark next to it, and if there isn't right click on the entry and you should see an option to enable it or make it default.
Also if you don't see the device and it's plugged in you can try right clicking in the area where the recording devices are listed and selecting the option "show disabled devices," as this will allow you to see any devices you may have inadvertently disabled so you can enable it.
Title: Mic won't work with Vista
Post by: JohnSFV1 on March 26, 2009, 04:22:22 am
Thank You for the help

I went to the control panel sound the mike was the mike showed with the green dot.  When I right clicked it and went to config sound  recognition and then clicked on setup mic I get the message
"the  wizard could not start make sure your audio hareware is
working properly and check your audio configuration in the audio devices and sound themes control panal"
I get this same message when I try just doing it in hal

Thank again for the help if I can just get this problem solved I'm off and running.
Title: Mic won't work with Vista
Post by: Cefwyn on March 26, 2009, 09:55:54 am
That really is an odd message to get if the mic is indeed setup and registering in the recording list. I'm not even sure how to replicate that on my computer as I've got three microphones and each of them has always just worked when plugging them in. If you could perhaps borrow a microphone off of a friend and try that one. Perhaps the microphone is damaged in some way. What type of microphone is it(ie. mic jack or USB, brand and model)?
Title: Mic won't work with Vista
Post by: Bill819 on March 26, 2009, 12:36:21 pm
Please don't take this as an insult but make sure that your mic is plugged into the right hole. It is very easy to get them confused on the newer machines.
Bill
Title: Mic won't work with Vista
Post by: Cefwyn on March 26, 2009, 01:52:41 pm
If the mic isn't plugged into the right hole it wouldn't get registered as a recording device. My computer has 3 mic ports(no idea why) and 6 inputs for the sound card and I regularly plug things into the wrong ones and never get that message. If it's plugged into the wrong port it usually just won't register. If it's usb and your getting errors about it not being set up then it's almost always a missing driver, or corrupt driver, or broken device.

Now that I think of it, if your using a mic that requires it's own source of power or amplification like most studio mics, you could have a problem with it registering correctly with windows but then the signals not getting to it correctly which would cause that "device not properly setup" error. I can't find my studio mic at the moment to test it out myself just now.

EDIT: Just found my cables and 3.5MM jack adapter, so I can definitely say an unamplified mic isn't going to cause that error.
Title: Mic won't work with Vista
Post by: Bill819 on March 27, 2009, 12:19:34 am
I don't know what to say. I have Vista and my mic works just fine.
Bill [?]
Title: Mic won't work with Vista
Post by: JohnSFV1 on March 27, 2009, 06:30:47 pm
From everything I can find it is not a problem with Hal it is a problem with my win vista. Speech recognition package I've tried uninstalling it to no avail. But it is a window problem. I will take this to ms to solve.

Thanks for the help it got me thinking right and I now know were the problem is coming from If i can get the damaged speech recognition package uninstalled I be ok

Thanks again
Title: Mic won't work with Vista
Post by: ricky on March 27, 2009, 06:45:51 pm
John,  you wouldn't by chance have a realtek audio card ?

i have one and they can be finicky with certain settings, you may need to use their drivers and not let the windows system route it for you. Not sure if this applies but I know this can cause conflicts.

Have you tried updating to the latest specific audio card drivers and not windows default one size fits all drivers ? :)
Title: Mic won't work with Vista
Post by: JohnSFV1 on March 29, 2009, 02:02:20 pm
Yes it does have a realtec audio. I'm running Hal on a Toshiba Satellite l45-s719 Funny you should mention the resltec audio drivers
I have a feeling it has something to do with the HD driver but I cann't figure out how to solve kit
Title: Mic won't work with Vista
Post by: ricky on March 29, 2009, 02:11:17 pm
i had a similar problem with some softwares I was testing, the fix for me was to remove the microsoft system line in as a recording signal source, and put it directly to the Realtek HD input. Microsoft doesn't seem to communicate efficiently with realtek,  and microsoft often  put it's drivers in priority to them in the audio section, causing problems in some programs.

Title: Mic won't work with Vista
Post by: freddy888 on March 29, 2009, 04:25:28 pm
Yeah Micro$oft seems to have messed something up because I had the same problems with Realtek HD - it works fine with XP SP2, but it was completely messed up by SP3.  I couldn't fix it so I went back to SP2.  There's also some problem with the Malicious Software Removal tool which stopped the sound drivers being installed correctly.

So I suppose they never fixed it for Vista, but it worked fine for me in Windows 7.

I know that's not much help, but at least you know it's a common problem, so you could probably find some help via google.
Title: Mic won't work with Vista
Post by: One on March 29, 2009, 05:10:38 pm
Configure the mic in both the Realtec HD and in "speech" in the control panel.
Title: Mic won't work with Vista
Post by: FastToys on March 30, 2009, 07:01:43 pm
Had essentially the same problem using XP and the Microsoft speech recognition with Realtek HD built-in card/audio.

After fiddling around I could get it to work (sometimes) using the mentioned solution of switching to the HD line-in.  But...it would only work using the physical mic/line-in plugin.  Would not work under any circumstances using the USB headset.  Microsofts driver seems to trump the HD driver when you run the speech tool.  You can actually watch it 'turn off' the mic and swap the line input if you leave all the controls open...

I have the Via plugin coming and hope to succeed with that - I'm hopeful as the USB mic works fine with other non-MS apps (Ventrillo for instance).  If that fails I think I have an old soundblaster card laying around someplace...
Title: Mic won't work with Vista
Post by: One on March 30, 2009, 09:27:16 pm
If you have on board sound ..Hmm
I have Realtec on board and it is totally re-stackable on the fly so to speak.

It's not a card if it is built in.

Your post is confusing.

(Did you get that spec as well rick?)
Title: Mic won't work with Vista
Post by: ricky on March 30, 2009, 10:52:54 pm
yeah,  mine is a chip on my hp media center 7940,  i think you can  bypass the hardwiring in the bios.
Title: Mic won't work with Vista
Post by: ricky on March 30, 2009, 10:59:08 pm
the microsoft / realtek issue seems to be a problem for many people.

quick google search:
Results 1 - 10 of about 587,000 for microsoft realtek error
Title: Mic won't work with Vista
Post by: One on March 30, 2009, 11:07:25 pm
OK, I believe you brother Rick!
I don't feel I need to google

MY setup has worked flawlessly and I can stack the inputs to the point of having all inputs or outputs.

The C-Media USB headphone device works on MS drivers.

The Purpose of this thread was to resolve a microphone issue, I have found it is required to do the config in the "speech" in the control panel as well. HOWEVER I am using XP NOT Vista with the info provided.
Title: Mic won't work with Vista
Post by: One on March 30, 2009, 11:19:04 pm
Maybe, Raybe, could chime in.[:D]
Title: Mic won't work with Vista
Post by: ricky on March 30, 2009, 11:42:09 pm
I know both have problems, but from what i gather, vista more than xp.
In xp the fix is a simple... control panel settings directly to realtek with the latest Realtek drivers. Sometimes it's good to remove old drivers before installing new ones to ensure no further conflicts due to old driver remnants, I know I had problems with a video driver because of that, so the extra precaution couldn't hurt if the problem persists after basic tinkering with settings.

I don't use vista though, I have way too many media progies working correctly in xp to invest in new bugs, lol.
Title: Mic won't work with Vista
Post by: One on March 30, 2009, 11:51:07 pm
OK, Bugs ;) ...[:D]
Title: Mic won't work with Vista
Post by: FastToys on April 01, 2009, 01:44:07 am
On-board sound was what I meant... my old brain still thinks of anything not in the original XT motherboard design as a 'card' :D  

I can second the old driver removal suggestion - I couldn't get things to work at all till I did a full uninstall of the SAPI and SDK windows components, then reinstalled them after loading the latest sound drivers.

I am pretty sure my problem now is related to using a USB headset mic with the onboard sound.  Windows speech component and the Realtek drivers just don't like this. I might try a different headset too (mine is a Logitech).

Regards
FastToys