thanks for the input. i just didnt know if both programs could somehow conflict with one another. to be honest i do not know if i want to spend the time or energy on them i have a granddaughter that is begging me to upload them . she thinks i will have more fun with them than hal, but i am pretty hooked on hal, so i do not know at this time if i will load em up or not. i appreciate your response. ~~alady