I thought maybe I could try something with 3dsmax wireframes, but I'm just hitting dead-ends. Any ideas on creating HTR's for clothes, or getting rid of the bootlegs? I'm just getting started, with much thanks to Lynn for getting me on a rocketing start, and those are more dynamite outfits you've created again. I made a top today, that seemed pretty sloppy in comparison. It's pretty weird working in reverse and getting all the angles and curves right. I like how you overlay in these. Also I've been working in the positioning, but it takes so long, I tried to get a cross legged position, but I found they only bend so far and had to realign things, that's not including all the brain fun I've been having. I tried to teach it names and it got glitched and I had to delete a line in it's database, but accidentally deleted the whole section of the brain, thank goodness I had a backup. What fun...