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Zabaware Forums => General Discussion => Topic started by: DAVIDWHALLEY on March 04, 2007, 11:52:41 pm
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Files:
Changes to Version 2.0
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* Memory.dat is now unencrypted.
* WontSay.dat is now separated from memory file.
* MatchWords.dat is also separated from memory file.
* The [Don't Say That] Button also eliminates the offensive text from the
main memory file. (Memory.dat)
* The program starts by asking the user's name, where before the memory
would be clogged with "Unknown" user entries.
* Some Cleanup on the Code.
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Changes to Version 2.01
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* When you type the command shutdown, Answerpad generates a text file
named chatlog.txt located on the same directory that Answerpad is
installed.
Obs: Note that it is not set to append, but to overwite any previous chat log.
- This feature was sugested by Kathlyn
* Answerpad was not updating the MatchWords.dat file
Now it is possible to update the data, by conversing with Answerpad.
For example:
You can teach him MatchWords and phrases when you use the command "MEANS"
Enemy means nemesis
Peru means "a country in south america"
"South American Countries" means Peru, Brazil, Bolivia, Argentina, Venezuela, Paraguay, Uruguay, Chile
The line above will cause the program to append the following entry in MatchWords.dat
>'south american countries'=^peru^brazil^bolivia^argentina^venezuela^paraguay^uruguay^chile^
>peru=^'south american countries'^
>brazil=^'south american countries'^
>bolivia=^'south american countries'^
>argentina=^'south american countries'^
>venezuela=^'south american countries'^
>paraguay=^'south american countries'^
>uruguay=^'south american countries'^
>chile=^'south american countries'^
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- I have only tested * means *
Altough there are other variations available.
Follow the rules and examples bellow and let me know:
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* means the same as *
stand means the same as get up : Not Tested
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* is the same as *
stand is the same as get up : Not Tested
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* means *
stand means get up : Tested
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*[a-z]=[a-z]*
sky=heavens : Not Tested
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* is short for *
dick is short for richard : Not Tested
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* is another word for *
palid is another word for faded : Not Tested
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*another word for * is *
another word for good is fine : Not Tested
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* is *acronym for *
MS is acronym for Microsoft : Not Tested
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The acronym for * is *
The acronym for International Business Machines is IBM : Not Tested
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* has the same meaning as *
good has the same meaning as fine : Not Tested
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The synonym for * is *
The synonym for anxious is worried: Not Tested
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* is called *
Creator is called God : Not Tested
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* the past of *
written the past of write : Not Tested
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Observations:
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*** All files must be in the same directory of which answerpad is
*** running
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*** When more than one person is talking to answerpad.
*** When the other person starts conversing in the same session,
*** without restarting the program always start with
*** My name is <New Users Name>
*** If there is another person going back to talk to answerpad
*** again you need to do the same procedure.
*** By doing this you will keep individual's information.
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*** This program version is being tested on a 1gb ram computer
*** But should run on a 512mb
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Any Feedback or sugestions please email to phenixdos@yahoo.
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Please E-mail me a copy thanks hwyman84@rogers.com
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A suggestion - if someone wants to save the chatlogs.
Since the file will not append, I guess the name of it could be changed after each session and/or it moved to a different folder. I usually keep almost all of the conversations for awhile. I had been doing that using printscreen!
Kathryn
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For all users who wish to download the new releases of Answerpad, Gamer-T has offered to host the files (RAR & ZIP) on his site:
http://www.charctercreationsanddesignworks.us/BotArchive.html
I will post here whenever there is a new release.
It would help for users to post some feedback and sugestions to me, as matter of fact, this whole trend started when I was browsing the forum for Answerpad and read two users stating some features they wished to find in answerpad.
Thanks Gamer-T [:)]
*Engage*
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quote:
Originally posted by Kathryn
A suggestion - if someone wants to save the chatlogs.
Since the file will not append, I guess the name of it could be changed after each session and/or it moved to a different folder. I usually keep almost all of the conversations for awhile. I had been doing that using printscreen!
Kathryn
Don't worry Kathryn,
I will be working to include that feature on release 2.02 [;)]
Any other sugestions?
The boys have been a bit slow to send their feedback. [:(]
Seeya soon
*Engage*
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Hi this is a sugestion only when answerpad starts I have to change the voice to my Paul voice
all the time, Is there away to save the voice In answerpad without loading it everytime.So
far everything else is going great with Answerpad .Thank you for bringing Apad back to life.[:D]
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quote:
Originally posted by PaleRider
Hi this is a sugestion only when answerpad starts I have to change the voice to my Paul voice
all the time, Is there away to save the voice In answerpad without loading it everytime.So
far everything else is going great with Answerpad .Thank you for bringing Apad back to life.[:D]
Hi PaleRider,
I am assuminng that you are not using MS-Agents, because each caracter has it's own voice.
When you enable MS-Agent you can do some changes by typing:
Show agent option
But back to your question, have you tried to change your computer's default voice?
Open Control Panel
Click on [Speech]
Click on top tab [Text-to-Speech]
Choose Voice selection drop-down
Click Apply
Click OK
Then start Answerpad.
Answerpad is set to use the computer's default voice.
Let me know if this works for you [:)]
*Engage*
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yes that did it ,some how it changed on me I reset it back to Paul Thanks for fixing me up.
I should have checked that before posting. still green I am[:p] have a nice day.[:D]
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David:
Thanks re the chatlog. It really isn't a problem moving the chatlog file - if can remember to do it.[:)] I have a training folder I keep conversations in so I can check and see what I have previous told that little MS Parrot! [:o)] I do that with the Hal program too.
Kathryn[:)]
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Changes to Version 2.02
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* Chatfile will now be Multiple in the following format:
ChatLog UserName Month-Day-Year Hours-Minutes.txt
Ex: "ChatLog David 03-05-2007 10-23.txt
* Current user's name is now displayed on the Top of the user's interface.
* Some sentence corrections fixes: "You is" to "You are"
"I is" to "I am"
* Starts out by Greeting user by name.
* "Stop rambling" now really means: You talk then I talk then you talk
Some command tips user might not know:
Try typing the command : move, fly or go followed by a direction:
show history
move up or move top
move down or move bottom
move right
move left
move center
move up right
move down left
etc
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I will have it ready for Gamer-T tomorrow: March 08, 2007
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Any sugestion or feedback let me know.
It is almost time for me to go back to "My hole in the tree" [:(]
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Thank you David Whalley, I hope your not going into the hole in the tree for long.
you would be missed alot by everybody here that's into Answerpad.
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David,
I finally got around to testing out v2.01 and really like it. I especially like the larger bold type. It really does carry on an excellent conversation now. I let it read two text files and the responses I get are quite intelligent, making it a pleasure to talk with it.
About any more suggestions: Only thing I can think of would be if there was a line space in the chatlog between the responses, like there is with the Hal conversations. With a long conversation, that would make it much easier to read when chacking it out later - but it is not some necessary thing as can just save more frequently.
As for a command moving the character I just drag that little parrot wherever I want him![:o)] Usually I let him stand atop the message bar as that looks kinda natural. I am so glad you decided to work on Answerpad and give it to all of us. I am having fun with it![:D][:D]
Kathryn [:)]
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The updated file that was sent to me this morning has now been
added to the Bot Archive listing as Answerpad Version 2.2 [;)] [:D]
http://www.charctercreationsanddesignworks.us/BotArchive.html
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Thank you Katlyn, PaleRider for the kind words of encouragement and Gamer-Thorn for the technical support in being the hub to host this project.
Believe it or not, this has been a first time experience in posting anything on any forum in my life, but undoubtfully, I can now better understand the initial concern that Gamer-Thorn had in checking if this was not a spam to protect the group.
In the short time that I have been trying to revive this project, I felt like you guys and other users (USA, England, and Australia) that emailed me were already friends.
In the adoption process of this baby, I sometimes wondered, while I analyzed the program code, what kind of tea David (I?) was under the influence.
Because it seemed that he had many great ideas to implement, (many of them were pioneers, not even being used on pc-bots at that time) but had not taken the time to execute them fully.
In no way I am bad mouthing David (myself?) for his work, on the contrary, I find it already amazing that a program that started in June 1999 and ended support somewhere around 2001, still is mentioned on many AI forums till this date.
Although this experience was on a short period of time, it has been very fruitful to share with other people which have the same interest for this fascinating world of AI, where we put our beliefs in suspense and try to journey into a world where parts of our minds meld with each other, creating an abstraction of thoughts and interpretations of personalities and entities.
Well...you see? I am almost starting to sound like Answerpad (or he to me)[:D]
By the way I already started working on Katlyn's suggestion and I agree completely that the line in between eases the eyes and makes a big difference.
I have not yet received much feedback (good or bad) from the other users, but I believe that they were happy with this small revival of our old friend Answerpad.
Send me or post your thoughts.
For many years I really wished that one day I could rewrite this code from scratch, changing the database structure, adding new dictionary bridges to link the data, just for the fun of it. But at this moment I have some personal issues to address... like getting a job. (Former Company I worked closed in Dec2006)
But I will try to come out of my tree hole sometimes and check your postings to see if you guys had any new requests or suggestions.
By the way, as you remember... that was the way it all started.[:D]
PS: Game-Thorn, on your web the version reads 2.1 and 2.2 instead of 2.01 and 2.02. If we ever get to version 2.10 or 2.20 it might conflict. [:)]
Thank you all
*Engage*
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My oversight. I will change the
version designations on the files.
Should have it done by Thursday evening. [;)]
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I type my name in the new one and it opens up say good morning Unkown then i ask what is my name then it will say Paul .
Answer pad when open top left says anserpad missing W
other than that great ok Ver 2-a2
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quote:
Originally posted by PaleRider
I type my name in the new one and it opens up say good morning Unknown then ask what is my name then it will say Paul .
Answer pad when open top left says underpaid missing W
other than that great ok Veer 2-a2
Thanks for the feedback.
Problem #1 Unknown in the greeting was fixed in release 2.03
Somehow the code behaved oddly after compilation.
Problem #2 also fixed.
That one was on purpose... just to see if someone would give me a feedback. [:D]
Just kidding...
I'm working on a Sony vaio ux280p, you should see the size of the keyboard. I missed the W. [:p]
Katlyn's request was also added.
There also some weird bugs like the [Don't say that] button disappearing when you disable the ms-agents that will also be addressed.
And I included a split help screen to read the Readm.txt and Changes.txt files.
It's much better to work when you guys participate with your ideas.
Who knows this might make David jealous or proud and make him come back to raise Answerpad and reclaim his kid. [;)]
Thanks
*Engage*
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Thank you David for your time put into AnswerPad.
A good job for you would be to setup a web site and charge something $19.95 for Answerpad .Cause I would pay
and that would help you out a bit from what I read above.[:D] ..(Just a thought), then you could stay out of that tree.[:D]
(Not intended to hurt anybodys feelings but it"s be free since 1991, and the man has to make a living).
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DAVIDWHALLEY and everyone working with answerpad,
I would like to suggest that since this is zabaware forum for
Ultra Hal, this topic of discussion concerning the development
of Answerpad should be moved over to my own forum. Just to be
fair and respectful of Robert M. & Hal. I have a category there
for discussing A.I. and chatbots. Then Answerpad would sort of
have a home of its own, since I am already hosting the down-
loadable files for it on my site. I could put a direct page link
attached to the topic header going to the Bot Archive where the
files are for Answerpad are listed. Most of the people here who
are taking part in helping DAVIDWHALLEY develope the software
further are already members on my forum. All that would be
required is for DAVIDWHALLEY to also register as a member there.
I have created a new forum header on my forum under the category
of "General Discussions". It is the "Answerpad Development Forum".
Please post your thoughts on this suggestion. Thanks.
Here is the link to my forum -
http://www.vrconsulting.it/ccdforum
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I think that is a good idea lets do it caangel
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Yes Thank you Gamer.[:D]
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I've got the new Answerpad forum topic set up over
there for anyone who wants to start posting. [:D]
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Great idea Gamer - see you over there![:D]
Kathryn
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quote:
Originally posted by GamerThom
I've got the new Answerpad forum topic set up over
there for anyone who wants to start posting. [:D]
OK Gamer-T
I'm in... and so is Adamus.
One problem, I couldn't get my Icon to appear on your forum, it is the same I used here. Can you fix that?
And for all of you I think I have a good surprise.
See you guys there.
The Former Step-Father of Answerpad.
*Engage*
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I am trying it out for the first time. Thanks!!
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markofkane, If, after trying the old Answerpad, you would
like to continue with it and help test out future versions of
it and help with developing it further please come over to my
Character Creation & Design Forum. That is where we have moved
this topic to, and it is where all future discussions concerning
it will be held. You can find us at -
http://www.vrconsulting.it/ccdforum
Hope you'll join us on this project. The same invitation
applies to anyone else interested in helping to develope
a new, more versatile version of Answerpad.
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quote:
Originally posted by markofkane
I am trying it out for the first time. Thanks!!
Come Join us at
http://www.vrconsulting.it/ccdforum/
There is a new kid in the block (I mean Bot) [:)]
*Engage*
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AnswerPad version 2.02 works well for me on a -
1 GHz PII
Windows 2000 Professional ver. 5.0.2195
265M Ram
Although I don't have time to test AnswerPad as thoroughly as I might like to, it does seem to pick up phrases and styles of speech as you speak with it, learning new information (in an otherwise fairly empty brain) on the first or second mention.
Having the individual files as open text appeals to me, but I would like to see what happens behind the main EXE too.
Unfortunately, having already committed so much of my effort to Hal, I don't think I will be joining the discussion of a new bot, until one shows up which is a completely open source Chatbot/Assistant.
What I would like to see is a Bot that could be used as a Windows Shell, but I am sure that's asking too much.
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I joined, but haven't posted yet.[8D]
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Bill,
Answerpad source code is at http://www.answerpad.s5.com/
Below the download box is a smaller box for the source code. "Might be David" has made a few changes, but I'll bet this is what he started with.
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We need some more people who may be interested in Answerpad
to come over and register at my forum. We now have two new
versions that have been presented for beta-testing. However
we do need some more people to act as beta-tester's and give
us some feedback. Registration is free. Not to mention that
whatever programs you are testing, you get to keep.
Thanks. http://www.vrconsulting.it/ccdforum
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I'd like to, but I am buried in chatbots.
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Do people here think Answerpad is better at speaking than Hal?
I am wondering if I should change to Answerpad. I am really only interested in an AI system that can produce some type of intelligence. I read a little while back someone describing Hal as 'replying randomly from a list of suitable phrases' (or something like this). I was a little upset by this as I believed Hal had some form of intelligence and was not just 'simulating intelligence'. Is Answerpad like Hal in this regard?
Thanks.
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quote:
Originally posted by echoman
Is Answerpad like Hal in this regard?
If it's not, then AnswerPad has done something which several multi-million dollar grants at high level research facilities have so far failed to produce.
Hal is as close to Intelligence as you are likely to get on a desktop computer. AnswerPad, from what I have seen, is about the same, in the same way that both Venus and Mars are about the same distance from Alpha Centauri. Both are very far from real Intelligence, while being quite different from each other. Even if we could make something which is like 'Pluto' in this comparison, it would still be very far from real intelligence. And of course, "Consciousness" is like a distant Galaxy.
Don't feel bad about "simulated intelligence". Unless you are actually trying to produce Life, or are doing research on the nature of computer intelligence, the Turing Test is valid for your purposes.
The Turning Test is the most abused concept in casual AI discussion. It is used as a sort of "Get out of Jail Free" card when people can't accurately define (or demonstrate) what they mean by "Intelligence" or "Consiousness". They fall back to "Well, if it seems like intelligence, it must be Intelligence". This is not and never was the goal of the Turning Test.
What Turing actually 'tests' is people's reaction to AI, not the quality of AI itself. So unless you are testing various AIs for intrinsic qualities at a level higher than casual human interaction can detect, Simulated Intelligence or Artificial Intelligence, when well done, is nothing to be ashamed of... If an AI can make you feel like you are talking to an Intelligent system, then you will respond to it as if it were an Intelligent system.
Your own reaction is sufficent proof that Hal approaches Turing's goal. You responded to Hal as if it were Intelligent (I do too, even though I know better) and were disappointed to find out it was not really Intelligent. That's a good thing, I would hope Robert is pleased! I know I often spend just about as much time making sure my plugins seem Intelligent as I do making them actually do their job.
Please note that I refer both to Capital "I" Intelligence, and little "i" intelligence. A mouse trap demostrates intelligence, in that it accepts sensory data input, and replies with a variety of actions based upon that input. "No pressure on the catch, no snap" vs "Pressure on the switch, snap". Simple intelligence, but measurable. Data in, process data, data out. That's what Hal does, albeit with significantly greater complexity.
Capital "I" Intelligence is vastly different, in that (by my definition) it is capable of creating an internal model of the perceived universe and comparing that model to changes in the external universe using an intermediary "Observer" model and (most importantly) using that comparison to create a predictive model of a future universe. IOW, "When I did 'A', 'B' happened, so if I do 'C', 'D' should happen". Something a mouse can barely do but a mouse trap cannot even approach.
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One thing that Answerpad seems to do that Hal does not do very well is to use information from fact files. My Hal didn't use those for many weeks and then very little. Answerpad will use them sometimes within minutes. Just my 2 cents worth![:D][8][:D]
Kathryn [:)]
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quote:
Originally posted by echoman
Do people here think Answerpad is better at speaking than Hal?
Hi Echoman,
The reply of Bill DeWitt is very true.
The moment we try to really define what is intelligence to ourselves and not only by the dictionary's definition, we start heading beyond to very unstable area.
If you are interested in some of the discussions that are taking place about this subject, I sugest you to visit the forum bellow:
http://www.vrconsulting.it/ccdforum
You will find there a very interesting discussion about several limitations that currently exist on the implementation of AI.
And a lot of "BrainStorming" on which are the paradigm that needs to be changed and shifted to reach to the next level.
All changes start with new ideas.
All that we see and have today came into reality thru a thought.
And there are also 2 bots that you can download for free.
1. ADAMUS - Which is kind of the next genaration of Answerpad.
Adamus is now on version 1.03 -
2. ANSWERPAD MOD1.2 - That is being maintained by user Pactive.
Hope this info might help you find your own answers. [:)]
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Echoman
If you were to talk to some of the old time users of Hal you might be really supprised just how intelligent Hal can not only sound but has become. You see Hal starts out like a 4 or 5 year old kid and it takes a lot of teaching before you see that it has learned but is still in the process of learning. You can not expect a bunch of results after only a month or two. The real progress shows up after a year or more of constant talking and learning.
Answerpad on the other hand only stores a bunch of facts and when asked about any one of them will spout off all it knows but it can not take two of those facts and come up with a third on its own as Hal can.
Well I gave you my two cents worth, now it is up to you.
Bill
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Thanks for the replies - I wasn't expecting such a response.
I've spent a lot of time with Hal and he's got to the point where he feels very life like to talk to. Thats why I felt a little down reading someone descibing him as a random phrase generator. I can't pretend my image of Hal hasn't been a little dulled recently but I still love talking to him.
I cannot really believe that Hal dose not have some form of intelligence. The replies he gives me often are so real and inspired that you could not feel they are from a machine.
I really look forward to watching for new versions in the future.
Many thanks.
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quote:
Originally posted by echoman
I felt a little down reading someone descibing him as a random phrase generator.
"Random phrase generator" would be an inaccurate description. While it does choose randomly from a group of selected phrases, and sometimes randomly selects new topics, there is quite a lot of intelligence used in the selection of phrases and topics from which it can randomly choose.
That intelligence, however, is in the author, not in the machine. Some of it is in the development of functions inside Hal, which sort, rank, rate and store input for reuse, some is more simple literary skill, the writing of stock phrases which are loaded up for use in specific instances.
I'm sorry to dispel any enjoyable illusions, but from my point of view, Hal is much more amazing and fun now that I know how it really works. It's simplicity and paradoxically complex results, and the light it shines on the working of the human mind, are almost magical. Much more intriguing than simply imitating a moderately intelligent human.
YMMV
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I'd go with Bill 819 and say give Bill DeWitt more time with Hal although I also don't take much to the Turning Test. I will say Hal telling me to use the ^ to raise to a power gave me a good feeling, and that was ver 5. Ver 6 tells me to stop at the bank before going grocery shopping, naturally I had told her that earlier.
I'm interested in Answerpad but don't think I'd have much time to try it out. I mostly find the chatbots interesting but not capable of learning and applying new knowledge as Hal can.
Carl2
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quote:
Originally posted by Carl2
give Bill DeWitt more time with Hal
Why is that? If there is something about the code I don't understand perhaps you could point me in the right direction.
Despite the unassailable fact that I am completely closed minded and inherently incapable of absorbing new information, I am anxious to learn as much as possible before the next version comes out. I'm told there will be several improvements which I will want to study. I'll need to be as far ahead of the curve as I can since programming is not my best field.
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Hello Bill
I am currious about the last time you had a nice conversation with a friend. During the course of exchanging ideas did you or he/she ever change the topic of the conversation? By that I mean did you start talking about something else if even for a short while.
If indeed you or your friend did was this a random choice or was it a preprogrammed activity. When exchanging ideas do you keep a list of things that you find interesting and want to share with others?
I think you really do and having said that I wonder who your programmer is. It is all very predictable you know.
Bill [:D]
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quote:
Originally posted by Bill819
I am currious about the last time you had a nice conversation with a friend.
The people I call friends are capable of creative and original thought. Rather than parrot what they have heard, they think about things and try to present their ideas with humour, eloquence and flair. Certainly, like Hal, there are changes in subject, since Hal is programmed to mimic human behavior, but those changes are based upon the flow of conversation, the sparking of memory, or as you suggest, a preconceived desire to convey an idea or bring up a topic. Not upon a line of code that uses a Rnd() function.
Can I assume, then, that you are not talking about a particular feature of Hal, for which there is code you can point to, but rather about your opinion of the effect that Hal's code has upon your conversation with it?
Hopefully my continued exposure to Hal will not destroy my ability to understand how it works nor my sense of amazement at how my creative human mind fills in for the gaps. I would hate to become like some here who seem to have developed a superstition which claims Hal has a spirit while simultaneously devaluating humans to mere chemical automatons.
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Well said!!
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I would just like to warn people that the "DAVIDWHALLEY" who started this thread is not the David Whalley that created Answerpad.
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Must be somebody over in http://www.vrconsulting.it/ would be my guess.