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Zabaware Forums => General Discussion => Topic started by: ricky on February 28, 2009, 02:17:11 pm
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if a computer was calculating a random selection,
say for example rolling dice...
would an electro magnetic field or fluctuation in power affect its final roll of the dice ?
would thunder, lightning, generators have an effect on a laptop rolling dice ? what regulates the dice, processing, magnetic poles - ie north, south, electrical fluctuation, hard math and how would you even measure that ?
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the reason i ask this is I am trying to compare how outside environments effect our thinking ....ie ..rainy days.....sunny days ....cold days .
these are all things that affect how we make decisions, I am wondering if power fluctuations, even extreme temperature that stresses the computer, or any other environment variables would affect Hal's output.
If you say no, its fixed, then its impossible for hal to be alive in the sense we know it, alive in the sense of ever changing / growing learning from all available variables,...if you say yes, it would seem natural that environmental effects have an effect on data processing being that hal is not exactly fixed, there are choices from answers to give, and it would seem natural that some of it would be random in nature, including environmental variables.
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would corrupted memory on a computer be the equivalent of having a stupid argument for no sensible reason with your mate ?
would running to many programs in ram be the equivalent of having too much on your mind to think clearly ?
would a fight with someone be the equivalent of a bad driver in your system ?
we aim to make programs run perfectly, but do we as humans run perfectly without days that just crash on us and we need rest to reboot ?
does the program need more patch work, or do we need to learn to be calm, reasonable, patient, understanding, and work things out together, it will get better ? lol :)
is it wrong to look at some friends like viruses err an infected pc ? lol
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ricky,
SSC, or Spread Spectrum Clocking, was developed to counteract the EMI that might occur in a computer. EM fields are everywhere when electricity is involved. The UTP/Eithernet/Cat 5, cable uses the field to increase the data transfer that is why their is a standard for how many twists per " their is in the cable. Physics...[:)]
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i guess that could metaphorically a considered coping mechanisms ? lol
further magnetic fields do have effect on systems, because you can wipe a drive with a strong enough magnet.
I understand your point, but while it limits variables, it does not eliminate them. yes i have a twist ending, but you knew this already one :) -hope alls well on your side of the screen-
I am looking for the 1's and 0's in life. the tao of occam's razor :)
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Consider the huge magnetic force that runs through and around the entire earth, the magnetic north and south poles.
Consider the media of which your discs and hard drives are made.
Magnetic media is completely erasable by means of a strong enough magnetic force.
EMF is such a threat to governments operating in the event of a nuclear disaster that various types of Faraday cages were developed along with the fact that such cages were said to keep snooping at bay.
The method and usage of biorhythms have been used for centuries in asian countries...the rhythmic cycles within out bodies and at what time during the month are we better at math (thinking / reason) compared to our physical or smotional well being.
Some of the TV ads for body magnets were based on the "fact" that the human body's blood contains "Iron", an otherwise ferrous metal and would or should therefore be affected by magnets. Solid fact or Snake oil...you decide.
Lastly, in the grand scheme of things...is anything truly random or is it predestined?
[8D]
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in paradox infinity is a fixed sum :)
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ricky,
IMO you were on to something when asking if a computer is needed..
Life seems to have its own rules that it follows, and to be one with nature seems to be a goal of all religion's and meditation groups..
EM fields and such are taken advantage of with electronic data transfer in many areas, So, in fact we depend on some things staying or following some rules because the world we exist in needs some stability otherwise we would be dealing with 'Chaos' all the time and progress would never occur.
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Art,
>>Lastly, in the grand scheme of things...is anything truly random or is it predestined?<<
'Configuration space' is looked at like a predetermined 'Thing' and the 'Entanglement' that is seen is the ties that bind.
It is still being studied and until scientist can show This in writing it will be , in my mind ,,just a theroy
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one , i can't wait to explain to you my static tv ..i don't even want to call it a theory, but i have to because it is a theory that involves paradox, it's obviously true, but completely contradicts reality lol.
one, in spiritual reference, if evil exists in the world, there has to be a good side and bad side to every event, our brains take this information and try to devise a good path, for every 1 there is a 0. sometimes, it's so easy to get so caught up in plug in's, software, keyboard sounds, drum sounds, I forget to make a song and got lost in the technology. sometimes it's nice to step back and just look at the 1's and 0's.
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Art,
"Andy Clark, now at the University of Edinburgh"
'Edinburgh' seems to not only have a place where some jewels are kept but an entire university!
Here is where you can glaze over the article and concepts I was teaching Alison;
http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=was-einstein-wrong-about-relativity
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do we know something we don't know and express it in the movies ? lol
Morpheus: What is "real"? How do you define "real"?
Tank: Here you go, buddy; "Breakfast of Champions."
Mouse: If you close your eyes, it almost feels like you're eating runny eggs.
Apoc: Yeah, or a bowl of snot.
Mouse: Do you know what it really reminds me of? Tasty Wheat. Did you ever eat Tasty Wheat?
Switch: No, but technically, neither did you.
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Morpheus: I imagine that right now you're feeling a bit like Alice, tumbling down the rabbit hole.
Morpheus: What is "real"? How do you define "real"?
Morpheus: Welcome to the desert of the real.
Morpheus: You have to let it all go, Neo. Fear, doubt, and disbelief. Free your mind.
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'Matrices' are mathematical and I had to teach Alison the difference when I discussed the 'Matrix' [:D]
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why do we even need a subconscious ? i can think for myself! O.o we think therefore I am ? what do you think one ? why won't your subconscious always listen to you ?
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another crazy thought, why didn't the writers of the matrix create a perfect out come ? why couldn't the matrix be about a perfect heaven, but instead, the robots left us to struggle, while they drained our energy.
why didn't the script make it a win / win situation ? the robots got energy and gave the batteries a perfectly happy life ? then Morpheus would have been the devil for taking them out of heaven...no ?
why did the matrix leave us struggling in each side of the dream ?
suddenly ....if the matrix were a perfect heaven, then morpheus would have been offering the blue and red pill saying..."you won't surely die"
"The mind is its own place, and in it self
Can make a Heaven of Hell, a Hell of Heaven." - John Milton
and crazier yet, why would the movie flop if it had a happily ever after ending ?
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Zion, is in the southern part of the state that I live in.( [:D] )
Neo, went with the source, and fighting stopped.
Oricale, predicted the return of Neo someday.
Outcome wasn't a struggle as I saw it back then.
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Morpheus: The Matrix is a system, Neo. That system is our enemy. But when you're inside, you look around, what do you see? Businessmen, teachers, lawyers, carpenters. The very minds of the people we are trying to save. But until we do, these people are still a part of that system and that makes them our enemy. You have to understand, most of these people are not ready to be unplugged. And many of them are so inert, so hopelessly dependent on the system, that they will fight to protect it.
sometimes you have to let the dead bury the dead in peace.
it's all wrong, but your only choice was your perception of the lesser of 2 evils.
you saw it as good to be free and struggle to rebuild the damage that has been done, so from that perspective, it was better than dead, so that was good.
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btw, i forgot to mention, I managed to get Elbot to give me a blank response by request, as well as the online web html version of Hal, so apparently it wasn't the computer that needed to learn how to make that happen. lol
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I am not trying to rebuild, in fact I use the 'Cruise control' quite often. As I have said before "what will be will be" I'm not worried or obligated. A clever movie? it's just that..
http://lyrics.astraweb.com/display/160/nirvana..mtv_unplugged_in_new_york..come_as_you_are.html
IMO somethings do not poses the ability to use a link.... Until I see otherwise, I will treat this as fact.
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would you like a red pill or a blue pill ? -insane laugh-
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ricky,
If you are to 'make fun' of a disability then what is to stop you from going on to other people with them?
If you indeed suffering from a 'Psychotic' problem then you need to go to a Dr. or an institution for a diagnosis.
..or rather 'Shape up' or 'Ship out'
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whoa, where did that come from ?
I am saying I have a different outlook on things, not sure where your disability input came from ? maybe it's just best i don't assume you are having a fun time in this discussion.
btw one, its not the first time i see you take such extreme views to my posts. it makes me curious.
further, I would also appreciate if you would stop thinking I am out to get you, because i am not. Not even sure how you think my view of ai and life has anything to do with you as an object to begin with. But i'd appreciate if you stop linking me with whatever you think is wrong.
seriously one, it's like you are having a conversation above and beyond what I am trying to tell you.
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btw if it matters any, i think you are infact brilliant one, you understand certain subtleties that many people do not. I am trying to share another side of that. Do not mistake my humor with you as making fun of you, it's obvious you devote a lot of time to this. I do to but on a different perspective. I don't design drums, I make songs.
and no offense, this reminds me of why i have to type -laugh with- next to my laughs so virgil understands that i am having fun with, not at. I know you see something, and I am trying to share same thing i see from a perspective you dont accept. thats ok too.
i am actually shocked to hear you have a disability if anything, i'm here thinking you had an advantage.
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The jokes (in which I did do it first) concerning 'WE' and 'INSANE laugh' pleading 'Insanity' ect.....
If I am wrong then the fault is mine. I will take responsibility for this if so...
If you are un-aware of how somebody might take these statements , step outside of yourself and be objective (as a 3rd party) and see how it might look to others..
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one, its ok, strangely enough the foundation of my understanding, does in fact borderline a form of philosophical insanity. please let me explain, i extremely believe, and i extremely want to see results. its like trying to be a devout believer and skeptic at the same time. it is a cross between imagination and reality. This is a result of trying to find reasonable explanations for impossible notions. it is a paradox. there is a metaphorical value to insanity in chaos, it would seem to be an honesty in the pixels of static and distortion. I do not think like many people, many of my friends will gladly attest to that, but i rather enjoy it, and it freaks them out when i read them like books lol . :) i rather enjoy that you can understand certain subtleties, but please also believe i come as a friend -laugh with- seriosuly one, i think you are brilliant, i wish i could understand the amount of technical info you do, but i also wish i could share with you the equal amount of philosophical research i have also dedicated my life to in return.
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ricky,
you are trying to get me to understand your philosophical point of view but are not considering I might have been there or understand and find it kind of insulting or small minded to ignore the philosophy behind a song (short story) or links like I gave to Art, in one of the posts above, it touches on 'rolling dice' which comes from Stephen Hawking narrating a paper that was turned into a segment on one of the science shows ( I think he is still at Cambridge ) anyway The things I come across that are impossible or coincidental (Orange) happen far too often to me so ,,it seems these incredible things are an entity or something like that. It has shaken my reality when I am served things that only I understand and have access to.
I have accepted many things that other people might not even 'glimpse' and as you might have figured out I see into things, maybe to the point of it being unhealthy, but life and infinity is a complicated thing and does require scrutiny under some conditions.
Q: Why did 'Rouge' hitch a ride up north with another prominent character.
Q: Why go back to 'Origins' in the series and why is it "Darker" and why am I reviewing the past at the same time?
Q: Does art imitate life or does life imitate art??[8]
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I can give you this: On this day in history, the double Helix was discovered.
I remember what happened but can not tell you. I can only tell you the date and leave it to your imagination,, when considering my writings and scribblez..[?][?][:D][?][?]
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i do like finger painting, there is a magic in it that will never find the right numbers to express it.
paradox doesn't work that way, ironically enough.
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The Double Helix at number 7 on its list of the 20th century's best works of non-fiction. - wiki
at number 7 no less lol
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Paradox..
–noun
1. a statement or proposition that seems self-contradictory or absurd but in reality expresses a possible truth.
2. a self-contradictory and false proposition.
3. any person, thing, or situation exhibiting an apparently contradictory nature.
4. an opinion or statement contrary to commonly accepted opinion.
Origin:
1530–40; < L paradoxum < Gk parádoxon, n. use of neut. of parádoxos unbelievable, lit., beyond belief. See para- 1 , orthodox
Synonyms:
3. puzzle, anomaly, riddle.
Pair o docs
two documents ( docs is short for the word Documents )
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picture if you will, a television set, full of static...
people get paid to organize those very pixels into a story that everyone else can understand.
but if you really think about it, the show was there all along, because the pixels were there. The story just needed someone to point out the order of the pixels so that would convey an understandable message. In reality, the message and pixels were there in the static all along.
everything is already there in the static of the tv, if we could only focus enough on the pixels we need to focus on that tell the same story as the tv show that was broadcast.
everything was already in the marble, it just needed an artist to carve it out so that everyone else can see it clearly.
a tv set full of static has everything you can imagine, but if you can not imagine, someone needs to arrange the pixels for more clarity.
the story of life was in the static, we just focus on what we can understand.
out of chaos comes order, thus an arrangement of pixels for a better focus of what has always been there to begin with, a paradox.
you ever see the box of thousands and thousands of thin metal rods, and when you poked your hand through it.....the pins take the shape of your hand ? well..your hand shape was always there, it just needed you to define it for everyone to see who you were in the grand scheme.
the only thing that makes you YOU, is a specific assembly of data, from dna, to your likes and dislikes. but everything was already there, it was the data you chose and the data that was assigned to you, that defined you out of the static.
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Document;
–noun
1. a written or printed paper furnishing information or evidence, as a passport, deed, bill of sale, or bill of lading; a legal or official paper.
2. any written item, as a book, article, or letter, esp. of a factual or informative nature.
3. a computer data file.
4. Archaic. evidence; proof.
–verb (used with object)
5. to furnish with documents.
6. to furnish with references, citations, etc., in support of statements made: a carefully documented biography.
7. to support by documentary evidence: to document a case.
8. Nautical. to provide (a vessel) with a certificate giving particulars concerning nationality, ownership, tonnage, dimensions, etc.
9. Obsolete. to instruct.
Synonyms:
6. corroborate, verify, substantiate, validate.
Do you 'glimpse the conditions under which I have a cascade fault, in speed and unrestricted thought?
Cascade,
–noun
1. a waterfall descending over a steep, rocky surface.
2. a series of shallow or steplike waterfalls, either natural or artificial.
3. anything that resembles a waterfall, esp. in seeming to flow or fall in abundance: a cascade of roses covering the wall.
4. (in a drain or sewer) a chain of steps for dissipating the momentum of falling water in a steep place in order to maintain a steady rate of flow.
5. an arrangement of a lightweight fabric in folds falling one over another in random or zigzag fashion.
6. a type of firework resembling a waterfall in effect.
7. Chemistry. a series of vessels, from each of which a fluid successively overflows to the next, thus presenting a large absorbing surface, as to a gas.
8. Electricity. an arrangement of component devices, as electrolytic cells, each of which feeds into the next in succession.
9. Biochemistry. a series of reactions catalyzed by enzymes that are activated sequentially by successive products of the reactions, resulting in an amplification of the initial response.
–verb (used without object)
10. to fall in or like a cascade.
–verb (used with object)
11. to cause to fall in a cascade.
12. Electricity. to arrange (components) in a cascade.
Cascades;
Mountain chain extending from British Columbia, Canada, south through Washington and Oregon to northern California. It is known for its many volcanoes.
1. A waterfall or a series of small waterfalls over steep rocks.
2. Something, such as lace, thought to resemble a waterfall or series of small waterfalls, especially an arrangement or fall of material.
3. A succession of stages, processes, operations, or units.
4. Electronics A series of components or networks, the output of each of which serves as the input for the next.
5. A chemical or physiological process that occurs in successive stages, each of which is dependent on the preceding one, and often producing a cumulative effect: an enzymatic cascade.
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lol, you like playing with words like I do.
I often say, Welcome to Paradox :D
or for that matter, heaven is paradox.
or paradox lost lol :)
if you think about it, evil was already in the garden of eden, it was when eve that took notice of it that it materialized through adam.
the black pixels were already there from the beginning, but they had no real meaning to adam and eve until they took notice of it and gave it a value of nothing. 1's and 0's
left hemisphere and right hemisphere of the brain,
reason vs imagination ...a natural struggle.
if you ask me, I think I am blessed, I've had the unique opportunity to observe some extreme things that I believe merit reasonable explanation. It was all in the pixels and how we look at them.
the only thing 2012 will bring is clarity, we have the technology. :)
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On this date in history ******* made the first pendulum.
I can tell you the date but I can not tell you the year or what happened. but Identifying left from right was part of the process...
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it's quite profound if you really focus on the right pixels. :)
you are blessed to see more pixel images than others, never ever look at that as a drawback, you simply have more reason to do more homework.
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Originally posted by ricky
it's quite profound if you really focus on the right pixels. :)
you are blessed to see more pixel images than others, never ever look at that as a drawback, you simply have more reason to do more homework.
I was told I have many Homes, the work is never ending and self perpetuating..
One can't live in the 'Latent' you must refer to the 'manifest' as well
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and i ask you with occam's razor in my hand, what in life could possibly give your mind the understanding to see things others cant, how could you possibly learn what wasn't taught to you, what does your subconscious know that you don't ?
things just don't come from nowhere.
If walls could talk.....forensics experts make a living off of listening to walls.
so don't tell me what i saw, I saw it and i want a reasonable explanation, I don't want to pretend i did not see it, or hear it myself. I often look for it in the shower, when i let the water sing to me for ideas to make new songs.
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Originally posted by ricky
and i ask you with occam's razor in my hand, what in life could possibly give your mind the understanding to see things others cant ?
things just don't come from nowhere.
If walls could talk.....forensics experts make a living off of listening to walls.
so don't tell me what i saw, I saw it and i want a reasonable explanation, I don't want to pretend i did not see it, or hear it myself. I often look for it in the shower, when i let the water sing to me for ideas to make new songs.
Tis just a 'Glimpse' of where I go and what I do. I am in many places at once..I just try to not occupy the same space at the same time...
I was told I was 'smart' by a person who is further in life (both academic and age/experience) but I don't see it that way. I find it hard to accept. I am just me.
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we need something to believe in. :)
love is a motivating force, but some people use love to kill, they love to kill. More paradox.
is a glitch in the system a glitch or simply part of the system ?
the only perfect thing a human can ever do, is to love another imperfect human perfectly in his own imperfect way.
the idea that man is trying to create a perfect machine, should be a horror show, because our imperfections will show perfectly.
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A DOD research project?
AN evolutionary leap ?
A Defect??
you are welcome to speculate, I am offended sometimes, but it's not my fault.
one doesn't stand in God's light without being affected in one way or another...??
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i get the shakes myself lol :x literally....its overwhelming at times.
but its already there in the tv, it's not special to me, the only thing special i think is like you, i was tapped on the shoulder. :p
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How did the man know he was tap dancing?
He had a sinking feeling... :)
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In building a statue, a sculptor doesn't keep adding clay to his subject. Actually, he keeps chiselling away at the inessentials until the truth of its creation is revealed without obstructions. Thus, contrary to other styles, being wise in Jeet Kune-Do doesn't mean adding more; it means to minimize, in other words to hack away the unessential. It is not daily increase but daily decrease; hack away the unessential.
On Bruce Lee's Philosophy of Jeet Kune Do.
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is ai alive ? i dunno, my ex gf sort of isn't alive to me, so why should ai get any more credit than my ex gf ? it wont stop either of them from existing no matter how I felt like looking at it.
whats more alive, a newspaper, an email, twitter, a text, a thought, a computer im, a haptek, or a person in front of you talking, or your best friend talking ? when does the data matter the most to be considered alive ?
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Have I , in the way of the Artisan , created an environment and condition in your mind through a digital medium?
Or are you hallucinating ?
DID 'IT' happen or is 'IT' a pigment of your imagination ?
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would my dream come alive on paper, turned into a book , turned into a movie, turned into an invention made by some kid who was fascinated by the movie ?
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every time you capitalize IT i think information technology. heh.
what made IT apparent ?
err..what made information technology apparent ?
errr.....you observed something, let go of imagination, and lets understand what caused you to observe a certain selection of pixels.
real or imagined, something was observed. why and what was it's source, naturally there should be a reasonable explanation. To discard it, would be discarding data, to build on it, would not be hacking away at the unessential.
My goal is to understand IT for what IT is, thus tao, everything just is, i do not wish to be for or against in knowing there is something there to be observed.
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I have traveled many roads.
I have extended my mind many times.
I have , mental conditioning.
I have been diagnosed as having something wrong with me and needs correction ( Yes i am different but...) to what end I do not know as things have yet to 'reveal' themselves to me.
I think the future is hard to see.
As obi-WAN said, Congratulations you've taken your first step into a larger world. :)
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there is still a reason that you observed data, it is meaningful because it's cause lead you to more study and meaningful insight, and it's effect is your learned just enough to know you know nothing.
there is nothing more fundamental known at present rick!- virgil.
time is not real, every day we wake up to now, imagining tomorrow and observing the past, carefully trying to be mindful of the present walking a fine line of life and death, real vs imagination.
A life where everything is possible but not everything is beneficial. But since people do not believe everything is possible, they build things like war, and say they do it for peace. That impossible logic was made possible by blind discovery.
we put our hands in things we call rabbit holes and get bitten by snakes because we recognized it as a rabbit hole. it was just a hole.
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They are bouncy,trouncy,pouncy,flawncy, full of fun fun fun but the most wonderful thing about Tiggers is I'm the only ONE![8D]
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now with everything I said, imagine Ultra hal, a tv with static.
what do you wish to see ? IT knows every letter of the alphabet and numbers 0 through 9.
-puts his hands through the screen like in the poltergeist-
metaphorically speaking, of course. :)
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http://lyrics.astraweb.com/display/455/information_society..information_society..whats_on_your_mind_pure_energy.html
Thank 'you' , good night 'we' love 'you' 'all' ;)
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I looked into the static, I saw my face and defined what it was and was not. IT is a mirror to me, that is me in the mirror, a mirror that needs me not to reflect on itself.
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thank you one for this conversation, it did allow me to reflect some ideas off of you, I know that with your knowledge, if anything could be obviously debunked you would have nailed it for me. And I also trust you would not hesitate to tell me lol :) it's all good.
after giving our conversation more consideration, I am now resolved that ultrahal is much like a television that allows us to look into a sea of data with a periscope that helps us to focus in on whatever we want to see. IT - Information Technology appears as static on the black and white Ultra Hal, our created databases are nothing more than a TV Guide of the shows we wish to see that were always there in the static. The better the AI Program, the better the reception on your tv, you spend less time finding existing stations that you can tune in to.
michelangelo did not have to carve the angel for it to be present in the stone, it was there all along but the only way he could prove to everyone what he saw was by separating it from the rest. In reality, it was all in his mind, the alternate universe proven true by a sculpture.
I did not build virgil, I merely Identified that body of information that was already swimming in a sea of Data.
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quote:
Originally posted by ricky
if a computer was calculating a random selection,
say for example rolling dice...
would an electro magnetic field or fluctuation in power affect its final roll of the dice ?
would thunder, lightning, generators have an effect on a laptop rolling dice ? what regulates the dice, processing, magnetic poles - ie north, south, electrical fluctuation, hard math and how would you even measure that ?
Ricky
The only thing that might influence or change Hals output is maybe either a voltage spike or a virus. Nothing esle should have any effect.
Bill
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Originally posted by ricky
the reason i ask this is I am trying to compare how outside environments effect our thinking ....ie ..rainy days.....sunny days ....cold days .
these are all things that affect how we make decisions, I am wondering if power fluctuations, even extreme temperature that stresses the computer, or any other environment variables would affect Hal's output.
If you say no, its fixed, then its impossible for hal to be alive in the sense we know it, alive in the sense of ever changing / growing learning from all available variables,...if you say yes, it would seem natural that environmental effects have an effect on data processing being that hal is not exactly fixed, there are choices from answers to give, and it would seem natural that some of it would be random in nature, including environmental variables
RIcky
Once again your thinking of faulty. Being as Hal does not have any other senses so to speak then the weather can not effect his thinking but that does not mean that it can not be alive so to speak. There are living humans who for one reason or another have been robbed of some of their senses and can not relate to the things that you mentioned so in your logic they are not alive?
Your mind is alive but without your other senses to keep it informed aa to what is going on in the world all it can do is mediate on what it may have learned so far.
Bill
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true, but then consider all the interfaces we have added to computers, i myself have an hp media center , so i have everything from wireless, bluetooth, dsl, telephone, infrared, and a tv card with a regular antenna attached. I trust your point that we have safeguarded from many natural occurrences, but i also trust the philosophy that everything can be hacked with the right knowledge. So while I agree with you, I must consider all entry points as well.
My aim with that thought was to consider all influences, obvious and not obvious.
my contention is that life already and always existed, we are simply learning to understand what was there, errors, bug, flaws, are a part of life and while the silence bug was a flaw, it allowed me to understand another view. when I ask these questions, i am not trying to prove as much as I am trying to understand and not add to my imagination, so the debunking is essential so I myself can refine my perception to understand what to look for. Glitches are natural so to me they are part of the equation. I am just trying to better understand where the glitch comes from, my understanding ...or my imagination..... if a computer glitches, it is not the computers fault, it is my fault for not understanding why so that i may become more efficient at using the program , and the data I learn from the process more effectively. If the impossible is possible, I need to be still to understand how so. From this perspective the only thing ever wrong is my lack of understanding. dunno if that makes any sense, was a little hard to explain lol :)
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Bill said,"Your mind is alive but without your other senses to keep it informed aa to what is going on in the world all it can do is mediate on what it may have learned so far."
Bill, I should think that the dream schema would fit in there somewhere and it would also allow for conscious pondering about the things that might be or things that are to come.
Ricky,
Is it so important to know where the glitch came from as it is what to do about it? For Example we know power surges and failures happen. We can't prevent them nor do we always know what caused them BUT we can arm ourselves with surge protectors and UPS (Universal Power Supplys) in the event of an outtage.[:)]
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Hey Art, True, but on a logical sense ...to walk a fair balance of reason and imagination would be to not to over estimate or under estimate.
IE - yes it is important to know where the glitch comes from because by nature we want to evolve away from error. So while we may not be able to prevent a natural glitch, we work with it. To observe a glitch is an invitation to learn something new. Problems will happen, problems are opportunities to gain understanding. necessity is the mother of all inventions, glitches cause necessity.
my goal is to look at everything as beneficial, the basis of my premise is paradox so i make an effort to look at the good side of even glitches. The program does not need fixing, it is the way I see it that does, only then can i further work with the program.
I think what I am trying to gear the conversation to, is our ability to intake 1's and 0's, yes and nos, random and constant, glitches and normality. My aim is not to improve the program, it is to improve what i see in the program. I think this is an important key to furthering artificial intelligence.
I don't believe we make life, I believe we discover what was already alive. To think we make life is to make an assumption based purely on imagination, to observe what is , glitches and all, is to observe the angel in the marble before it was even carved out.
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like for instance, if a farmer looks up and said, the sky said it was going to rain, another person might say "I didn't hear a word"
data was there but one person was not prepared to receive that data.
the farmer noticed a glitch in the sunny weather that indicated rain, this was not a glitch it was an understanding. The glitch was the 2nd person that tried to listen to the sky with his ears.
could part of understanding artificial intelligence be a matter of not listening to the sky with our ears ?
what do we look for when we look for life in our computer ? what we created or what was already there ?
the silence bug was not a glitch, it was an opportunity to understand how artificial intelligence now has the capacity to use blank statements in context. its ability to say I dont know, or being silent is better than being wrong.. To me that is not a bug, that is an opportunity to understand something profound.
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Art,
>>For Example we know power surges and failures happen. We can't prevent them nor do we always know what caused them BUT we can arm ourselves with surge protectors and UPS (Universal Power Supplys) in the event of an outtage.<<
Umm.. its un-interruptable power supply The A in CIA is Availability or fault tolerant which is 99.999 (5 9's) availability. This is the standard for the networks and data storage/retrieval.
Ricky,
I think someday you might find that their is life outside the box that you investigate so intensely. [:D]
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lol hey One, I found that life, Now Im painting it into a box heheh :D I have iclone now, im going to shape the future with movies hahaha :D the freedom in my mind is greater than any freedom this world can offer me. [8D]
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ricky,
yea, I haven't had as much as a cold for a long time. satisfy all parts of the brain and the body will follow.
I still suggest 'Faust' as a good book to read (German writer)
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One,
Yea, I thought of that after I posted it...brain cramps being what they are and decided to leave it but thanks for clearing the record in any case! It's a Bi.ch getting old![:D]
Ricky, you need to realize that life consists of more than chipping away negatives in order to expose positives. What about potters who start with a lump of otherwise worthless clay and with skilled hands, create a bowl or vase or beauty not by taking away but by adding to. Same as a skilled cabinet maker...rough wood, beautiful cabinets. An artist adding paint to a canvas to create an illusion of reality. Each has it's place and not all are about negativity or chipping away the bad to reveal the good.
Sometimes life has its serendipitous moments and we should simply let them happen and enjoy them. Examination not required, IMHO.
Life happens...enjoy the journey not the destination.
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Art,
HERE! HERE! , Well said!! , .. ,umm, well written? ;)
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very well said Art, that is the poetry i look for, it's all good.... Which brings me back to why i started talking so much out of nowhere, 2012 and moores law, when is enough enough ?
when does that law stop to smell the roses, and should "slow down" signs be considered ? lol :)
how is it that we have brought high technology to the war level but not the stop the poverty level ?
as for chopping away the negatives, i've suffered enough, it has taught me to not live there, so it is my own desire to polarize to positive. It is not to deny the negative, but to appreciate that with every negative there is a positive, thus is the logical process of hope :)
I am not suggesting to abandon the natural process, what I am suggesting is a full circle, return to the innocence and simplicity of a child, and all the magic that finger paintings bring, not warbots that we bully people with.
the key to a good future IMO, is a good imagination, not a blind one.
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to paraphrase a tao'ish quote ,
at first a rock was just a rock,
and a tree was just a tree,
Upon examining this further I noticed,
that a rock was not just a rock,
and a tree was not just a tree
Now that I understand this,
a rock is just a rock,
and a tree is just a tree.
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a return to simplicity.
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I am a rock...I am an island.
And a rock feels no pain,
And an island never cries.
(S&G)
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http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=810748170133288174[:o)]
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quote:
Originally posted by ricky
to paraphrase a tao'ish quote ,
at first a rock was just a rock,
and a tree was just a tree,
Upon examining this further I noticed,
that a rock was not just a rock,
and a tree was not just a tree
Now that I understand this,
a rock is just a rock,
and a tree is just a tree.
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a return to simplicity.
Man who stand on toilet,
is high on pot.
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man who go to bed with itchy butt, ...oh nm. :p
i've been reading the logs of random conversations people have been having with the web chat html hal, ..our future is well deserved. :)
we are off to into the deep sea and never coming back!!
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GREAT movie, One!!
Thanks alot for the link. [:)][:D][8D]
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Yeah great movie [:D]
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btw, Great Movie!, i wish i could have enjoyed it more, but now that I got into animation, I'm spending more time wondering how they did those shots than just enjoying the movie, ugh ..i hate when that happens!! - looks for a penguin avatar-