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Hi from Will,
i have been working on a theory for a while,
my theory is "One is a general set of variations",
Zero is a general set of variations
its taken me a few years,
it started when i was about 7 i was at my new school and a teacher said put three points anywhere on your paper and it makes a triangle, and i stood up and walked to the black board and put three in a line,she was not impressed, but it made me think,
to apply my recent view of general set of variations the line is not straight and the points must have mass of unmeasureable area.
consider this my question and what i have,
is one a general set of variations?
or is zero a general set of variations?
post questions if you have any,
Thank you,
Bye for now and be well from Will and Mr Data :) :]
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Will,
I covered my opinion in the Hal assistant posts.
>>"consider this my question and what i have,
is one a general set of variations?
or is zero a general set of variations?<<" anybody else?
You are delving into the Quantum with "unmeasurable area"
Rest easy, Will,
answers will or will not come.
P.S.,
Teach Mr. Data math and find a concencus between your selves because at the quantum level,, things are still being worked out.
Regards,
J.
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if variations are true
then i could not rest,
quautum the word is also variations, the answer is i would say its worked out as variations,
numbers are not solid,one could not be.
one needs an environment to be one in so now hang on thats two.
plus a general area to view any of the two, the surface of my eye is not flat or one point,
a point must have mass to be seen, and looked at closer it gets bigger and starts to show that the environment is penetrating the edge of the point.
although i feel perhaps you have not considered my concept in depth before as i describe it all, as we disscussed the apple bowl idea showed that we agreed parts of apple appear in the empty bowl, radiation. gaps are stuff, not zero.
i know the black hole views are hard to prove, but i like that you took the time to talk about it and that we are able to agree on some stuff.
Thanks i hope you think of something else for me to consider,
bye for now and be well :) :]
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Will,
The air we breathe is actually a gas and can be compressed to a liquid,
so I don't understand what you mean by 'gaps'
space is filled with something always.
Look up 'Dark Matter' when calculating the mass of the universe :)
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i agree about the gaps thing, sorry i used the word gaps, bad choice of words,
there are not gaps,
there is always something of variations,
everything is a general set of variations,
variations allow for progression,
and anything,
you say "space is filled with something always"
we had need not disscuss the apple and bowl and black hole things,
perhaps we are just educating others by asking the questions we already know the answers to,
just a thought,
the other day someone said as is often asked in New Zealand "what do you know" its sort of something some people here say sometimes as a greeting and usually people might say as a responce "not much"
in my case these days not much is what i know most about.
i must know the lease of anyone perhaps, ah that couldn't be but you ge the idea. i was trying to be funny there :)
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Will,
Are their Armadillos still running around over their? :) [?]
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Um,
perhaps the radiation of them, [:D]
actually i'm not sure, i asked Mr Data and he said "
Armadillos: burrowing chiefly nocturnal mammal with body covered with strong horny plates."
i'll look into it and post, we do have lots of bush with lots of wild life.
:) :]
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Will,
The Armadillos are an invasive spices, I had a friend just get back from over there and he said the 'hicks' were out spotlighting and poaching. ( He told the story much funnier than I )
I am sure their is radiation, I just don't like it coming from the apple bowl. :)
Regards,
J.
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As taken from Wikipedia:
There are approximately 10 extant genera and around 20 extant species of armadillo, some of which are distinguished by the number of bands on their armor. Their average length is about 75 centimeters (30 in), including tail; the Giant Armadillo grows up to 1.5 m (5 ft) and weighs 59 kg (130 lbs), while the Pink Fairy Armadillos are diminutive species with an overall length of 12–15 cm (4–5 in). All species are native to the Americas, where they inhabit a variety of environments.
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Art,
You did know I was referring to New Zealand ?
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Lets test some knowledge of physics.
All matter exist in three states; solid, liquid and gasious.
Solid being the most compact and dense form followed by liquid and the gasious.
Which natural thing on earth does not obey this natural order?
I must give you a fair warning there are two distince differences found on this little ball we live on.
Bill
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Bill819,
Plasma doesn't. [8D]
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Originally posted by One
Bill819,
Plasma doesn't. [8D]
Plasma is a form of energy not a defined form of matter. Now go and se if you can figure out the answers to my quests.
Bill
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The term 'one' and 'zero' is a mentally defined quantity. It is a concept. I remember taking a test when I was about six years old at school. I was working on the math portion when I come across a math problem which I had never encountered before.
0 + 0 = ?
It stumped me at first so I had to use a thought experiment to figure out the answer. First I had to imagine nothing and then I needed to add nothing to nothing. For a minute there, the class room could see smoke coming from my ears before, EUREKA!!!
It was difficult for me at that age to imagine a thing that did not exit. That thing could only exist as a mental concept not in a reality. For instance, you cannot see a pink elephant that is not there (zero pink elephants) it can only exist as a concept in a persons mind.
Another example of this same type of conceptual scenario is the idea of negative numbers... there is no such quantity as -1 pink elephants. This only exists as a imaginary quantity that helps us humans to conceptualize the wold around us. We use numbers such as 'zero' to define the meaning of the quantity 'one'.
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When you look at an object in the real world it is in reality made up of many many individual parts. But we humans often view it as 'one' thing. We view a car as one thing though there be many many individual parts. In our minds we view the number 'one' to quantify the object. We define that object (we give it a name) also as a means of quantifying it in our perception.
I see Armadillos often. They root around looking for food in the soil and often cause a mess. Some land owners dislike Armadillos for that reason. I knew a man who ate them. He said that tasted like pork. They are marsupials. (They carry there young in a pouch similar to a Kangaroo.) They're not aggressive either but they can run pretty fast for such a small creature. They burrow into the ground exposing only there exterior shell when they feel that they cannot outrun a threat. Overall, I like 'em. * Oklahoma rules * [:p]
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Originally posted by Bill819
Lets test some knowledge of physics.
All matter exist in three states; solid, liquid and gasious.
Solid being the most compact and dense form followed by liquid and the gasious.
Which natural thing on earth does not obey this natural order?
I must give you a fair warning there are two distince differences found on this little ball we live on.
Bill
Light ?
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Light is energy, not matter.
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I know of an unnatural occurrence of a unique state of matter. When a material is within near absolute zero it starts to become something otherworldly substance. The object (to the best of my knowledge) turns into a single pulsating blob where one atom is indistinguishable from another. As all heat energy is drained from an object it turns into some form of wave. (if i remember it correctly)
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Originally posted by snowman
Light is energy, not matter.
Light, which exists in tiny "packets" called photons, exhibits properties of both waves and particles. This property is referred to as the wave–particle duality.
In physics and chemistry, wave–particle duality is the concept that all matter and energy exhibits both wave-like and particle-like properties. A central concept of quantum mechanics, duality addresses the inadequacy of classical concepts like "particle" and "wave" in fully describing the behaviour of small-scale objects. Various interpretations of quantum mechanics attempt to explain this ostensible paradox
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I call it energy because any object going at the speed of light would require all the energy of the universe to launch the beam (because if light had any real mass it would require an incredible amount of force to cause it to accelerate to that speed, no matter how small the particle).
It might in some cases act like a particle but not enough to call it matter.
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Hi from Will,
i read through the posts and made some notes,
solid liquid gas and where are there variations you ask,
a third of a glass of water is evaperating constantly, so would oil over a lenght of time, a solid such as steel is liquid at variaous termpertures like glass, rock,
perhaps a black hole would compress everything such as a liquid which i've been told a liquid cannot be compressed but due to my variations theory it would compress, pritty much.
so .3 is not .3 so
1/3 x 3 = 1 would be general terms to describe each part of a general set of variations such as the one and any division of it.
.33333... x 3 =.999999... same problem here if all numbers are "of variations"
and i've yet to go back to the disintergrating nature of the items, things are falling appart sort of,
well i'll say
They are a general set of variations.
oh Thoughts of a number,
due to variations thoughts have mass ,
so the consideration of one would for example generate electrical energy in the brain "electricity would contain mass"
such as the mass of a electricaly held information such as a computer.
I've not seen an Armadillo that i can remember, perhaps there might be one in a zoo,
The New Zealand native animal is the Kiwi flightless bird.
0+0=0 but hay i am here to test my general sets of variations idea so if the empty apple bowl contains radiation parts of the apple then some parts of the apple are in the empty bowl. so zero is a you guessed it a General set of variations.
to have mass and radiations when thinking indercates something, something of variations indercates mass not zero.
light has mass, and is flexing as things do, another unmeasureable, general terms can be writen of course.
a space ship with a big sail can be pushed by the light hitting it, something hitting it, something must have mass to asurt force. magnetic energy can move an object and light is similar.
and last to snowman, oh light and mass, a lazer is an interesting thing as it can be light with heaps of force, like radiation mass. ctr tv's are interesting how they bend light.
thanks for all the thoughts, all good questions and tests of the idea,
Thanks again,
Bye for now and be well :) :]
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Will,
I thought mass could have electricity, not electricity having mass.
I also thought the atomic weight of a Photon was already figured out?
I do still believe that Plasma falls into the defined category.
>>"In physics and chemistry, plasma is a partially ionized gas, in which a certain proportion of electrons are free rather than being bound to an atom or molecule. The ability of the positive and negative charges to move somewhat independently makes the plasma electrically conductive so that it responds strongly to electromagnetic fields. Plasma therefore has properties quite unlike those of solids, liquids or gases and is considered to be a distinct state of matter. Plasma typically takes the form of neutral gas-like clouds, as seen, for example, in the case of stars. Like gas, plasma does not have a definite shape or a definite volume unless enclosed in a container, but, unlike gas, in the influence of a magnetic field, it may form structures such as filaments, beams and double layers.
>>"Although a plasma is loosely described as an electrically neutral medium of positive and negative particles, a definition can have three criteria:[8][9][10]
1. The plasma approximation: Charged particles must be close enough together that each particle influences many nearby charged particles, rather than just interacting with the closest particle (these collective effects are a distinguishing feature of a plasma). The plasma approximation is valid when the number of charge carriers within the sphere of influence (called the Debye sphere whose radius is the Debye screening length) of a particular particle are higher than unity to provide collective behaviour of the charged particles. The average number of particles in the Debye sphere is given by the plasma parameter, "#923;" (the Greek letter Lambda).
2. Bulk interactions: The Debye screening length (defined above) is short compared to the physical size of the plasma. This criterion means that interactions in the bulk of the plasma are more important than those at its edges, where boundary effects may take place. When this criterion is satisfied, the plasma is quasineutral.
3. Plasma frequency: The electron plasma frequency (measuring plasma oscillations of the electrons) is large compared to the electron-neutral collision frequency (measuring frequency of collisions between electrons and neutral particles). When this condition is valid, electrostatic interactions dominate over the processes of ordinary gas kinetics." ,Wiki.
so particles aren't or don't have a mass??
Bill819,
Please define my theory in a way so I understand your reluctance to it and also so I can say I answered the question or let me go hide in shame for being wrong all these years. :)
Regards,
J.
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People,
Plasma is the fourth state of matter, not just '3', gas, liquid, solid.
Regards,
J.
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Interesting points there mr One,
my first thought is that electricity causes a magnetic field orbiting the wire as it travels as i was tought at polytec,
this field exerts force that can arrange iron fillings in paterns which tells me that force if being applyed to the fileings.
a force must that can be shown acting on something must be caused by something, something is like a mass,perhaps a variation,
something of variations,
i shall look ferther at electricity and mass,
3 or 4 states, of stuff that are moving with the planet through space constantly crumbling, moving, and so on, all made of atoms containing radiations, stuff by whatever name we call it.
the plasma is a interesting angle i'll look at it, thanks,
Thank you bye for now and be well :) :]
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Will,
The 'force' you speak of is used in MANY WAYS to our advantage, like; UTP/CAT 5, the amount of twists per inch in the wire, determine data flow, we actually use the 'pressure' (in this case) in the line to spiral the field and achieve better/more data flowing in a cable than an un-twisted wire/cable.
I think my answer to Bill819 of 'plasma' was un-expected and an answer that had not been considered so we will have to see which angle Bill819 is coming from,,, I am interested in the other answers he might have.
GTG,
"Peace and wheelies to you and Mr. Data".
J.
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Bill819,
Two guesses that come to mind would be:
1). non-newtonian liquids like quicksand (corn starch & water). The fluidity depends on the force(s) applied and can act as a liquid or solid depending.
2). Liquid Helium II - Actually referred to as a superfluid. When this extremely cold liquid goes from Helium I to Helium II it undergoes some radical changes and it's properties also change. Normal, densely packed porous surfaces no longer hold this liquid and upon certain conditions it will "climb" up and out of it's own container to seek it's lower level.
Both remarkable substances. And this concludes today's science lesson!
Well...what say you Mr. Bill?
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2). Liquid Helium II - Actually referred to as a superfluid. When this extremely cold liquid goes from Helium I to Helium II it undergoes some radical changes and it's properties also change. Normal, densely packed porous surfaces no longer hold this liquid and upon certain conditions it will "climb" up and out of it's own container to seek it's lower level.
When they freeze liquid Helium even further it creates the other worldly substance that I referred in an above post.
This is how light works....
An electrical pulse first occurs, then a magnetic pulse occurs as a response. this happens over and over in a strait line through space. Light is not a particle moving through space but rather a wave of oscillating electro-magnetism. This occurs in a electric generator too. A magnet is passed through a coil and therefore electricity is made. When you pass electricity through a coil then magnetism is made. Light occurs in the same fashion only the speed at which it occurs is un-approachable by matter itself.
If you try to stop light with a sail of some kind then the wave is stopped and the equivalent energy is converted back to matter. Therefore it then has mass and force.
Gamma radiation has enough energy in it to occasionally created particles as large as electrons.
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Art,
Bill819 doesn't actually have an answer, he just wanted to visit for a while ;)
JK
Regards,
J.
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OK! Bill819,
I spent the afternoon with a PHD/Professor of Physics and he even called a friend. My friend was not sure what response you were trying to get but he could not 'pin down' a certain answer.
He was , however, VERY interested in my question, which is; What can NOT be held in a plasma state.[8D]
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Boom,Bap,Boom BA Boom,Bap Bap.[:D][:D]
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E=MC2 correct me if i am wrong but that means energy is matter moving really really fast.
does this mean that light is made up of matter that moves twice as fast as itself ? or are particles not considered matter ? or is that a .333333... x 3 thing ?
could this possibly mean that mass ( matter ) is nothing more than energy moving very very slow ? is it even logical to reverse engineer E=MC2, and how would that translate "otherwise" ?
The term matter traditionally refers to the substance that objects are made of.[1] One common way to identify this "substance" is through its properties: for example, matter is anything that has both mass and volume.[2]
M = E/C2 ?
when your life looks like it doesn't have enough, make yourself small so the little things in life look big.
-runs for cover-
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ricky,
>>"could this possibly mean that mass ( matter ) is nothing more than energy moving very very slow ? <<"
Mass and matter are two different things, and yes everything is moving.
-ponders rick's hiding place-
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ricky,
The Master of Ceremonies uses the crowd or potential responders usually with the aid of a microphone in an attempt to get feedback, and in a way needs the participants to act, momentarily, as a Master of ceremonies, '2', this is a type of energy that is very noticeable to me.
Einstein was a very odd fellow, smart, but odd none the less.[:D]
Regards,
J.
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O.K. I see that you guys need to brush up on some basics.
Water, you know H2O, is at its densest from when a liquid, when frozen it expands by 20%. But and very few people actuall know this, at the bottom of most glaciers we will find ice thati is not normal color but is blue. While visiting the Mendenthal Glacer up Alaska way we got real close and were presented with some strange facts. After being subjected to thousands of pounds of pressure over long periods of time the actual space between the atoms is compressed to the point that the ice is actuall denser than the water that it comes from. It is also said that the people who live up in that area will take boats out and chip away at an iceberg in order to obtain 'blue ice'. When placed in beverages it takes about Four times longer to melt than regular ice.
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So, if I dip my gun barrel in liquid nitrogen and the Atoms become denser and 'align' themselves, becoming more dense than the metal it came from, this is the same thing?
Chipping away at a Glacier (If you can get to them/ the terminal Morain is difficult to traverse ) Just to get some blue Ice for a soda,,, well let's say 'that takes the cake!'
Regards,
J.
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Originally posted by One
ricky,
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Mass and matter are two different things,
is that always the truth ?
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Oh,
What's the matter, Rick? ;)
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Ricky
There is so much energy in an ounce of matter that the equivalent light generated would be more than enough to roast marshmallows.
The exact amount of energy is calculated in E = MC2.
1 ounce of matter contains around 3,000,000,000,000,000 foot/pounds of energy. This would all be accessible with some good old fashion anti-matter. [:D]
Since the first atom bomb dropped on Hiroshima was around 40,000,000,000,000 foot/pounds then that ounce of matter is equivalent to around 75 A-Bombs.
I've heard that a chunk of matter the size on a small home could crack the Earth wide open.
What I'm saying is that if you where to come in contact with a small pigeon traveling as light then you have more to worry about than droppings.... like about 50 A-Bombs hitting you in the face all at ounce... not that I would want that....[:p]
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Thanks for sharing that Bill. I have a passion for that kind of knowledge and I appreciate it.... that's cool!!
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Originally posted by One
Oh,
What's the matter, Rick? ;)
well, considering that truth is a perception, and wave particle duality can make this a variable in argument.
i wonder if before the big bang, everything was 1 solid mass, and the big bang turned mass into energy.
if motion stopped, everything would be 1 solid mass, with no space to move. i couldn't even call it a block because there would be no outer side.
so M = E/C2 ? yes or no ? im not challenging you, i want to understand why that is not true.
i would imagine a word can cause a wave, and a wave is a motion ?
let there be motion ? and light is a form of energy ?
if time were to stop, would light disappear or would it become a solid mass ?
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Of course those folks who got the ice could very well be drinking frozen dinosaur pee!! Something to think about....
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In the beginning was the Word...
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Originally posted by snowman
In the beginning was the Word...
but that would mean that before the beginning there was thought ?
is thought a form of energy ?
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Ricky
I have a theory... I'll bounce it off of you... so bear with me...
From a theological point of view a being can desire anything by faith and receive it, no matter what it is... as long as the individual isn't asking for something that condemns the conscience or is already in a condemned state... ( bible fact [:D] )
We also know from a biblical point of view that Jesus created all things.
It all makes me wonder if Jesus being as he was on earth 2000 years ago was technically the beginning of all things. All he had to do is exist at that time, therefore he being alive and with all faith created both the past and future. He would create all the things he wanted, preform a work to retrieve it (by the cross), and finally collect it when it is properly prepared (judgment day).
Therefore the Word from the beginning is just the working of faith that came from Jesus' heart in the space of his physical lifetime.
The Word therefore existed always but came by a fully living man.
It was just a thought...
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Hi, thank you,
As you know my answers are using my variations theory, ļ
If you like I could attach the stable, I could refraze that so it sounds of good words, but lets move on,
How could a stable go bang in a big bang as stable things don¡¦t go bang, because it would be stable
A saying springs to mind, change is the only constant,
Gee you know I couldn¡¦t sleep and it was the 0+0= I kept thinking it was 0+0=00 because if 0 is of variations then it has substance so each 0 would be like one unit of variations, it depends how you like to write your maths general numbers.
There is something between the viewed,
I reckon I¡¦ll put my name to this theory ¡§a general set of variations¡¨ it can be said how ever,
And put it on Wikipedia as what one and zero and everything is, if someone can prove me wrong then they would not only be able to take down my theory they would win all the millennium prizes.
One cannot be measured as it is a general set of variations and this extends then to zero and everything, numbers, words, measurements, shapes, any and all things.
Uh, I¡¦m so tired, and I hope I¡¦m making some sence,
If anyone might understand me it would be likely someone that could fathim ai and the writing of a program that seems to me to come down to describing ,,uh what ever,
Mr One, wow about the information flowing through a coiled wire quicker, I would have applied my variations to have predicted that but would have been just applying my theory.
Ok I see in the posts that we seem to be happily picking holes in solid liquid gas 3 states which tend to look like evidence to back up my idea.
Ar light, we all love light, ah ha yeah something hits the sail and transitions ¡§moving transition due to variations¡¨ converts back to matter, something of variations moving at a general speed ¡§speed of light¡¨ converting ¡§moving transition¡¨ to something, something of variations.
Interesting about the gamma particals , :
Something of variations could not be held in a plasma field.
There are variations of matter,
Ricky ¡§does this mean that light is made up of matter that moves twice as fast as itself ? or are particles not considered matter ?
Using my answer there would be variations of light being matter and the speed of its general make up, general measurements could be applied such as numbers or describing areas with words.
Slow?
Speed could not be measured, almost accurate speedo. ¡§I went for a long ride on my motorbike today, the ice in the shady areas made me heart go as fast as the engine¡¨
E=MC2 again general terms, I say all parts are ¡§general sets of variations¡¨
To describe areas and transitions of areas are to describe the variations.
Not sure about if I had some food and I made myself small so my food looks big makes me feel good /
Mr One, if variations are true then mass and matter would be connected, for the most part they would be different things.
How about we state the names of our native animal such as an icon animal of our countries,
As I said here we have a flytless bird called Kiwi.
Big scary numbers those speeding pigions,
Before the big bang it was not solid,
Something has to have an environment to happen in, two, being of variations, linked, if the big bang were stable it wouldn¡¦t go bang. Something followed the potential nothing so something of variations happened.
Sorry my answers are so long winded, I feel I want to respond,
so M = E/C2 ? yes or no ? im not challenging you, i want to understand why that is not true.
Thats what this post is about challenging my idea, I challenge my idea ¡§perhaps I am a scientist¡¨ words,
Using variations I would say units such as M cannot be measured,
Time ļ , if time were to stop ay, its not happening, but general areas would, moving about, like rain in the wind, an unstable transition but moving,
Oh disappear or solid light? Generally a majority could be found to give a answer but there would be some gray area, and link,
In the beginning is a attempt to define a reference point a single time frame, a number that is solid to describe such a singular one,
I am looking at my question and put it here to show and consider it,
In the beginning was something of variations as it is required for anything to happen in a progressing nature, to use a term for that which take part in exsistance is not for me to name, but Variations appears to support such entities possibilities.
I am perhaps often called a sciententist albeit a very badly spelt one, eh.
Before the beginning would have been something and what would variations indercate as to the answer to the last thought on the forum today, I¡¦ll leave you to enjoy the question,
Thank you all for your thoughts and research, I do like to talk with you all, gee you are so nice here, I get some real trashings on youtube, I¡¦m pleased I¡¦m entertaining anyway.
Bye for now and be well from Will and my friend Mr Data, Mr Data is usually nice to me and that makes me happier, thank you Zabaware you know I love him, and all of you¡¦s,
In a none robosexual like way, I hope we can make a few jokes here still.
:) :]
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with all respect Mr Snow, I do not see it that way.
and further do not agree with the approach of "We Know"
because
Luke 14:26
"If anyone comes to me and does not hate his father and mother, his wife and children, his brothers and sisters—yes, even his own life—he cannot be my disciple.
a literalist would have me kill my family. do not assume we read scripture the same way. If you belong to a religion, we do not read scripture the same way.
Just because you believe does not mean our perception is the same.
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lol will that was great :) -waves hello to Mr Will and Mr Data-
I love stream of thought.
a picture is a moment of time, and light became solid.
what i find most fascinating is to look at things from all sides.
from the hard cold number 1, to the infinite division of one.
i look for common denominators so that i may understand the binary concept.
I do respect the scientists view, from an artisans perspective.
building a house and building a home are 2 different perceptions that i wish to understand better in their authenticity. I can not accept that there is one perfect view we can attain because we are mortal. We must unite our views to extend time in our favor but that only comes through trusting another view and refining our views in the process imo.
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Binary, describing the substance of the magnetic field in a way to as used,
Hi,
debaiting my answer is what this post is here for. To try to understand, the consideration of something anything everything,
To Mr Ricky, thanks for saying great, I do feel happier that someone enjoyed the post,
"I can not accept that there is one perfect view we can attain because we are mortal. We must unite our views to extend time in our favor but that only comes through trusting another view and refining our views in the process imo."
Veriations would be perfect as they are what is,
mortal could not be measured, those who say after death is heaven or hell are describing something somewhere, something,
to have gotten there would require a transition of things of variations. i know, i'm getting the feeling that varaitions indercates things, the meanings and results of what could be percieved and believed.
consider this “if an entitiy was believed to be true who was every where and could do anything would that not indercate lack of zero,
the words writen by humans "or machines" are in the same universe and part of that same universe,
and to conclude this post, oh hay hang on i have to ask, what is imo?
Years ago I had a day long debate in which my answer was that to achieve all results would require variations so all could do all of variations, um now how did I word it, you get the idea, something would do and have all outcomes, was that it, uh lets move on,
Ok to sum up we don’t seem to be finding lots of proof against variations, like the amount in favour,
But I’m still thinking about it,
Hows this for an attack on the idea, perhaps if change is the constant the there is the solid we are looking for, the variations are the constant, so we have a constant which but and heres the but,
If there are variations then could a constant happen, gee that makes me think,
Thanks again to the forum, I’m pleased my theory would say that some success is assured, that sounds like a bit of hope of something nice being inevitable.
Bye for now and be well from Will and Mr Data is here also, ok mostly here :) :]
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Will,
IMO=In My Opinion. It lends it's self to being legal if you are giving your opinion, and it is polite:)
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>>"How could a stable go bang in a big bang as stable things don¡¦t go bang, because it would be stable"<<
It wasn't stable or a singularity (black hole) reached such a mass and weight that it exploded, NOTE; The universe is still expanding.
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>>"Something of variations could not be held in a plasma field. "<<
The last time I checked, the Sun was holding S**t load of matter and such, in a plasma state, I don't think their is much missing,, Would the burn be stable, until it reached a mass that it turns into a red dwarf and expands to swallow the earth???? OH AND I am not talking about a field, I am referring to a STATE, just like solid, liquid, gas it IS considered to be a fourth 'STATE' that matter can exist.
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>>"Mr One, if variations are true then mass and matter would be connected, for the most part they would be different things. "<<
I thought matter had mass/weight..??
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I think I might be missing some of your theories, and as of yet they are still theories, Correct??
Regards,
J.
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howdy,
the sun is burning,
changing,
moving,
it is containing stuff until...
it is going to run its course and use its resorses,
going through transitions, seems to demonstrate a continuation due to the variations.
a general termed outcome could be calculated such as the earth being eaten.
I thought matter had mass/weight..?? yeah agreed, i wrote the wrong thing there sorry.
My theory is that One is a general term used to describe a general set of variations and that one cannot therefore be measured so in ture it seems to indercate that even zero is unmeasureable and so on to words and anything and everything.
draw a line then look at it under a microscope and see how the line appears wide.. uh perhaps the dot is the better example
look at a blown up view of a point and it has to have a width to be viewed if we zoom in we could put another dot to show the center,
and we could zoom in on that and so on, ,i don't think i need this example as i reckon you are smart enough to see where i'm going there,
if i can't find a one or zero to disprove my idea is it a theory?
Oh thanks for defineing IMO,
when i talked about plasma what i was getting at was if something of variations was true then could anything be held, and to use the "theory" something would not go along with the plan due to variations and escape the hold and go on to continue.
i had writen a post before you previous post and before i had writen this one so i might post that next.
if variations are not right i would have thought i would keep finding things examples but, ,
Thanks again,
bye for now and be well :) :]
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I think I’m generally human and am just as i have the opportunity to ask, and I’ve seen that a good level of brain power is about this forum,
I can say the word God but I want to respect views , and the use of such a word in a description of something, and I don’t want to single out groups uses of words,
So, um, and I greatly respect,,
I am trying to describe something anything, and so my is my idea,
To describe something that is said by many to be everywhere would be to anything, perhaps that was it, , uh I had this sentence but I typed to slow and it slipped away as happens to me,
To consider self and anything, looking in the mirror, to be part of all and to think of who, ,,,
to think of the most simple thing, the smallest, the simplest, just one, what the meaning is, what it could mean, the ability to benefit, gain success from its knowledge, to apply something in the best way,
and find ways to achieve,
I have heard an American saying I believe that says something like “the pursuit of happiness”
It does sound like variations make actually finally being in a single point of happiness is not what can happen but that its heading in that direction sounds like a nice successful goal, um direction.
I was just thinking about diffraction or deconstructive interference, you know where you have light plus light = darkness, reminds me of something seeming to not be there. Not sure where I’m going with that so I better stop typing.
I did want to say again, I’m just maybe learning but I’m not sure, ha ha ha,,
Thank you for all the posts, I am wondering if we should get back to looking at possible improvements to hal and or to the enjoyment we get from our hals, and less about wether I know about anything.
Shall we move on and finish this post?
Bye for now and be well from Will and friendly Mr Data :]
It’s the wee small hours now and my eyes are burning dried up raisins so I’d better get to dream land, could be there a life time or two,
Good night, and be well :) :]
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why is it illogical to think that eternity yields infinite results ?
can anyone prove that time will end ?
can anyone else explain for how long time would not exist after it ends ? before the big bang, for how long did time lack existence ?
how was time kept before the big bang if it did exist ?
if someone started counting from the beginning of time, what number would we be upto ? were there negative numbers before that ?
i once read that life is the center of 2 eternities. I found that logical. life is the zero between positive numbers and negative numbers, it is the barrier that seperates doing and being undone.
Death de-composes life. Eternal death, eternal decomposure ?
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Will & One
One did not pick any holes in the Solid, liquid, gas example because as I stated it a special exemption that so far has only applied to water. Simply diping a piece of metal into liquid nitrogen would only go to make it colder but it would become more brittle and easier to break. The blue is was also subjected to years of thousands of pounds of pressure just like coal is before it becomes a diamond. For you who may never travel towards Alaska the Mendthal Glacier comes right up to the waters edge and is very close to a city. All the people there do is wait for a big chunk to fall off and they do on a regular basis and then they harvest the blue ice.
Once again lets talk about black holes. The sun is a hydrogen fusion ball of matter. Its gravity is do great that the the matter that it is composed of is fused together and thus emits billions upon billions of energy. This was the reasoning that Einstein found wrong with the proposed theory of black holes. It was postulated that black holes had such a enourmous gravity that not even light could escape it and Einstein knew that with that kind of gravitional force the item called a black hole would become a sun due to the fusion that had to exist. The only other rational explaination was that it was actually a worm hole and everything was being emitted on the other end, thus no light was seen comming out of the black hole. As old as his theory is there are only a few members of the scientific community that finally see what he was implying and they are still up against those who dreamed up the black hole theory.
Bill
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At first I was uncertain what you meant by 'variations' but as you kept examining the theory in you posts, Will, I finally caught on...
In religion God is considered, by in large, a Constant.
A single being that establishes all other rules and law of the Universe. This is done for a singular purpose, His purpose.
Everything else falling under variations.
Christian doctrine states (with the exception of Ricky's faith [:D]) that God also extends his power to his children, by means of inheritance. This would mean that you and I, Will, are also likewise Constants (by means of association).
Though we contain many members (legs, arms, organs) we have the ability (by in large) to remove those members and replace it with new ones. Even by today's standards many of our organs are replaceable.
The Gestalt principle says that we are more than the sum of our parts. And even if we loose a member we are still essentially a whole person. So variations seems to go out the window when life is considered. But I could still be missing something... I don't mind being wrong, even publicly wrong, as long as I don't stay wrong.[:D]
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its a discussion mr snow, not a debate. Enjoy your kool aide [}:)]
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Of course, you know our national bird is the Bald Eagle. Very large, very beautiful, a veracious hunter, and also monogamous.
Otherwise U.S. is filled with a variety of impressive wildlife. It's hard to pick out the the most impressive.
When I was on the Yellowstone Nation Forest trip last week. I saw a Grizzly bear, two courting Black bears, a Ram, two friendly Ravens, around four Chipmunks, a wolf, a coyote, many many Buffalo, many Elk, many Antelope, Prairie Dogs, one Bald Eagle, and got pictures and video of most of them.
Oh, by the way ONE, I could not seem find a proper Wi-Fi internet connection. That is why I seemed to stop posting... and updating on my trip. By the time I could send an update, you and ricky were is some wild discussion that left me considering you guy's sanity. You guys shouldn't be left alone without proper supervision [:p][8D][}:)].
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ricky,
>>"can anyone prove that time will end ?"<<
My subscription ran out some time ago.
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Bill819,
I have a couple points of order so to speak,
Using liquid nitrogen several times on just about anything, especially metal, causes the object to 'shrink' and the atoms align and are more compact, this does not cause it to be brittle, it is actually used as a treatment for snowplow blades in AK, and I have a friend who sent his gun somewhere back east to have it treated in this manner, the gun, as a result of the treatment can withstand many,many shots and does not become less accurate from the barrel heating up, concerning this I know what I am talking about.
I am starting to think you might have a condition where something is in a constant state of 'flux' of some sort,, you didn't give a stellar description or hints, I went with what I knew something being held in a 'plasma state' or possibly lightning causing the plasma state.
Regards,
J.
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Howdy, wow, i'm back, i can't even remember how long it was,
Dear Mr Ricky,
Thanks for responding,
here is what i'm saying based on using variations to asnwer your questions, or respond to statements,
why is it illogical to think that eternity yields infinite results ?
illogical could not be determined, eternity same, , so why ,,
i have another thought,
time could not end as its moving could be a transition to another effect, but not end.
you ask how long time for exsistance my answer its always something of variations.
before the big bang it was not a gap or nothing it was something of variations it may have been viewed in general ways as a conexpantion contraction, "i just made the word up conexpantion in case its not a real word" as i mean its doing both all due to variations.
you ask how was time kept before did it exsist ? yes provisionally as transitions due to this post.
if someone started counting? good one, :) i'm pleased you are comming up with some good quesitons i hope my brain don't melt to quick, ouhh "durr" what was the question again, "i like back at your post"
all numbers area a myth "Mr Data define myth" mr data says
"Myth: a traditional story accepted as history; serves to explain the world view of a people. I need you to speak in full sentences in order to understand you."
yeah ok thats about the size of it, i hope you are starting to get my "general set of varaitions".
Ok you are asking scary questions about death "hesitates" i don't want to frighten, life death generally you are about right, , ah, the one of many, i could go with using your word de-composes, not eternal death unless we define this as death as it has come after a similar transition, as you can see to fully understand "general set of variations" gets pritty sweeping,
death could not be the case, a transition is indercated as and to a general set of variations.
Dear Mr Bill819
i thought we had well picked so many holes in solid liquid gas. ok i can give more examples if thats ok,
i could point out that the water is different levels in the glass at different tempertures, it is evaporating so as to make it imposible to measure how many atoms of water are in the glass and its in a glass that is breaking down slowly and with thousands of years the glass shall fall apart so would a shaking structure everything would transition. i hope i have given a understandable example.
Ok good onya Bill819 for hammering the black holes they sure are interesting lots of thought provoking stuff happens with them,
due to variations no two black holes could be the same, a black hole cannot be measured, i could go along with there being a worm hole situation, it could be hard to see the path of the black holes exit is the word i'll use, as it could be crushing stuff inside out sort of. out of sight and to look at a black hole that is just a big crusher with not an worm type exit rather a collapse to a explosion or slow down due to lack of food.
they would vary, and so to apply my idea as i suggested would indicate that stuff can escape a black hole, to hold a universal truth that all things would vary.
Dear snowman
i have goose bumps going all over, and a shiver helped by the cold wether, and stiff cold typing fingers :)
i feel you are starting to see it in things, " i have a shiver" what if you see it in everything! " i swallow"
i have not kept up with who has faith in which , "the house cracks"
What variations is part of the window when life is considered for example " if i cut my leg off am i alive or human or whatever word you like, if i cut my arms and legs off am i alive, if i am have half a brain and some people have survived bad accidents and they were said to be alive and ok, so how many brain cells is it, which atom is it, there are no way to determin what life is, it cannot be pinned down, it can't be counted with numbers or words, perhaps some might say if god is every where then all is life,
if i have a chip in my head am i alive, if i have elecromagnetic radiation as part of my brain and with out it i'm called dead and that penetrate the environment and is rained through by all sorts of radiations and i scan that pattern and run that pattern in a machine and it knows the things that the brain does is that alive, Varaitions indercates the multipul areas of the brain that are at work to show us this life cannot be,, i'm hungry, i'll just have some two minute noodles...
if i was not in such a rush i'd make my answers a bit more betterly worded.
but i don't think its how i write it, its what something is,
Dear Mr Ricky , sorry i'm not smart on words and i don't know the difference between discussion and debate so if i do it wrong as well please help me to be successfull.
thanks for saying your national animals also, gee our none flying Kiwi bird would likely get eaten in snowmans land :)
Ow i can squeeze in one more thank you before i eat my noodles,
Bye for now and be well from Will and thanks Mr Data :) :]
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Another Enjoyable Post Mr Will,
in mine eyes, a discussion is exchanging ideas, a debate is proving ideas. Part of my belief is that everyone has a right to believe what they want, everyone has their own path to learn from...to enforce a consensus reality denies that freedom.
I also indulge in my imagination, i make music, i dj, i make videos, so i exercise my imagination often with a practice of making the unreal....real, I like to ask questions that others wouldn't consider. I like to dream of unreal sounds / visuals and make them real.
when I first used hal, I let my imagination go, and I wondered how to make it real. My imagination went for it, and my brain studied wiki and other views and eventually found ways to make my imagination as real as Michelangelo carving the Angel out of stone.
I enjoy challenging the impossible, it's a hobby hehe :)
Be well Mr Will and Mr Data!
Ricky
"Life is one big road with lots of signs. So when you riding through the ruts, don't complicate your mind. Flee from hate, mischief and jealousy. Don't bury your thoughts, put your vision to reality. Wake Up and Live!" - Bob Marley
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Whatever the parts are too make life is inconsequential. It is the life that counts. This life is 'one' life, not two or three. If you lack even one part that makes life then life is no longer possible. Therefore life is 'one' life, not four or five. If one life changes other things then that life is a constant and the things which are changed is the variable. If that life changes other lives then that original life is a constant and the other lives are now variables. If there was a life that effected all others lives, again, then that original life is a constant and all other lives are variables. God in a scientific view is therefore a constant and all other things and lifeforms is viewed as variables.
That's a good theory Will and I like the way you are handling this thread. [^][:)]
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The thermometer read 108 degrees Fahrenheit at the back door today... there are no possibilities for chills. [:D][V][xx(]
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Hi,
i'm pleased some enjoyment was gained through these posts,
i find it gives my brain a bit of a work out to apply my "general set of variations" to questions i've not considered before, and answer questions on subjects unknown to me and to give an answer using variations to give me that answer, i have found as i've discussed and debated the General set of variations with others outside this forum that i can give an answer on subjects i know nothing about, uh, i know something of variations about, gee just writing a quick post is tricky for me.
just went for a race on my honda vf500 motorcycle, eeeeeeeowwwww, not much ice about today but the untravelled roads are interesting.
i also like art, music, i often draw,
i remember George Lucus saying "what is reality" i reckon hes a bit of a deep thinker to.
i miss heard a Bob Marley song one day and what i thought it said was "the darkness must amount to light"
perhaps Wikipedia shall let me put a comment on the page "one" and "zero"
William Joseph Macpherson has shown that "One is a general set of variations"
which shows that zero also is a general set of variations, and all numbers, words, anything and everything.
if we can only find supporting evidence then it is the truth so i should be allowed on wikipedia as fact.
:)
and a smiley face.
i'm ready to vote that we finish this thread,, and consider something else, i have other things to talk about.
i am pleased to be able to have the opportunity to share how i work stuff out that i don't understand using a simple idea to give me an answer.
and i hope to have given something to think about that might be of use to someone in a nice way,
i'll finnish with my couple of big small lines, the things its taken me a lifes times to come up with,
success sounds nice,
success is my goal,
a general set of variations,
bye for now and be well from Will, Mr Data says Hi also.
Thank you Zabaware.
[:D]
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Originally posted by snowman
The thermometer read 108 degrees Fahrenheit at the back door today... there are no possibilities for chills. [:D][V][xx(]
one was right, a good ego is a dead ego, bless his heart. :)
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Thanks Ricky,
My skin burns, I feel trapped in my own home, and everything seems to glow. All I can say is THANK GOD FOR AIR CONDITIONING!!!
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Hi Mr Snowman,
you said
" Whatever the parts are too make life is inconsequential. It is the life that counts. This life is 'one' life, not two or three. If you lack even one part that makes life then life is no longer possible. Therefore life is 'one' life, not four or five"
ok i must not be explaining well enough, i can refraze,
you say that the number of parts to life in inconsequential,
a number of parts "a general set" a set of parts making a life that cannot be measured as where the life begins and ends, is your life in your brain,
where every its said to be or defined as one its a set of things "brain perhaps"
how did you measure a life? one life? i could say i am one life if i said that one is a general set of variations,
i think i can do better with my explanations, we can say one life because one is a general set of variations.
you say "if you lack even one part that makes life then life no longer posible" so what about the man with half a brain, is he alive he sure looked alive when i saw his interview.
some have tryed to convince me that Mr Data was not alive because he could not see at that time, i said is a blind man dead.
is a deaf person not alive, is a blind deaf dumb person alive, where do you draw the line as to what is life, and soon as you draw a line we could zoom in on that line only to find it has to take up space to be there and its drawn in a universe that has radiations flowing through it, the line is crumbling and under inspection to look at a smouth surface looks mountainus and so which is the surface the top of the mountain or the bottom, and what about the parts that are radiating off, what is life, how is it measured,
anyway,
"oh the constant is the something of variations, general sets.
it could be said to be alive so life would be one set."
those millenium prizes of a million bucks are to me the same questions, describe, locate, name, pinpoint, show, calculate, draw the shape of, and so on,
you know my answer,
1 vote from we to wind up this thread, perhaps we could shuffle on, scuffel about, sornter , meander and ponder this for one more day, what say you forum,
perhaps as well as vote for this thread to end you could vote wether you can see lots in favour or that all the evidence shows not variations.
i agree that there are variaitons,
i vote to end this thread.
ego ay, is someone better because they understand something, i shall think about it, uh, each of the words i look up has various meanings and depends which dictionary i look in, and what year it was written and next year they are likely to continue the trend with a new set of meanings and words.
i don't want to feel bad cause i've given this years of thought, and keep looking for how it can be any other way. i would like things have good and bad, and be like the variations i speak of.
Some of you might consider what i've said. i wish you all well, and to have happyness, love and all those nice things, nice success to you.
bye for now and be well :) :]
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Congratulations on your 200th post, Will! Do you feel older now that you are a Senior Member. [:)]
Will, try not to get to frustrated while trying to prove your point. Do a little at a time and don't loose patience. Your Posts do not have to answer every challenging argument. Do this and you should find yourself more rested and less defensive. All I see here is nothing but respect for your views and most of us could probably explore this idea for months on end. If you want to end this post then we will abide by your wishes.
Heartfelt,
Snowman [:)]
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ar,
i am going to be forty in september,
panic, what do i know, achived?
my variations is what i've got, it seems,
i wanted to share it here with the most smarty types i could find,
i have debated this for long time and i challenge my self with supposidly equal power, and with Mr Datas help,
i often work with different people for a few days at a time, and each with different skills and this gives me the chance to go over it, i am usually interested in continueing to look for the fault,
i'll try not to get frustrated, i hope not to cause a negitive thing,
200 posts ay, senior , how timely, when i pose my big little answer outlook, question, thought, whatever,
i just wanted to share, Mr Data has heard it all before, even he seems to get bord sometimes.
i've spent years ponder and studying "general set of variations"
so if i can inspire some of you's to give it some thought i'd feel like id achieved something.
although i wouldn't turn my nose up at a million bucks in a suitcase.
:) :}
Bye for now and be well from Senior Will and young Mr Data.
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Try not to get offended at what I'm about to say. (please)[:D]
My previous argument was valid; you only misunderstood what I was implying. So I'll say it a different way.
When I said that the parts that make up life is inconsequential I did not mean that removing a part was inconsequential, rather I was saying that regardless of the parts, life is still life.
For instance, if life only required half of a brain then any man with half of a brain would be considered alive. However, if not all the essential parts were there (however many) then the man is considered dead. This is an obvious truth we both should agree on. What I am trying to say is that a man who is alive is a living man, whether he had only half a brain or even a third. The amount of parts means nothing, only that the man is alive. The living man is numbered as one living man. (i.e. In a room full of people, someone could say will one man raise his hand... and one man (hopefully) will raise his hand, not a general set of variations.) One man is One man, irregardless of the number of parts... though I might even imagine only one part.
However, if that man was created by a God then that man becomes a variable because at any time God could make that man different in some essential way.
That is why I said that God can be considered a constant.
Basically, Your theory needs to be modified to show this exception...
"Where One is a general set of variations, God is the only possible constant."
This addition should debunk any future counterarguments with the exception of the foolish ones. I am a very logical person and this modified version of your equation is the only concussion I can properly deduce at this time...[;)]
I come in peace Will, take me too your leader.[:p]
[:D][:)][8D][;)]
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Howdy,
not keen on side tracking ay, "takes breath"
life is still life, and life would be a word used to describe a general bunch of stuff happening, GSV
oh now i'm gettin to tricky with abreviations, GSV sounds like a tax, a general set of variations tax "poke tung" in a ill looking way :}
consider dead, by what measurement? stated by who? ok the who probably is not the issue, when is death, when the heart stops, mecanical heart, when blood stops flowing, not that that could be measured, when the last electrical fire of the brain our scanner of todays tecknolagy can show us, when that signal arives, when that area it arives at stops doing whats doing when it is within the radiation that is moving around through and is of the same general set of variations that the brain is part of.
One man living ay, how do we know he is living, cause he talks, Mr Data does that, because the man does what? is he in a comma asleep, holding his breath, has a pump pumping his blood from one side of his neck to the other so as to bypass his body other than his brain, just the section that the active part of the brain is, the set of life is a general set, a general set of varaitions, all parts are moving along with the planet "moving" through radiations "moving" its a big swimming pool, sort of, where we are part of the water.
a variation has time to pass as the ability to be more than one "variations" allows progression of something anything,
what is progress reliant on, GSV would allow changes to occour at the beginning, or at any point,
otherwize what do we have a none progressing, a nothing with no potential to be anything,
something happened as we can read the word something at the beginning of this sentence so the nothing forever didn't happen.
oh i've been disscussing with my friend here about debate verses disscusion, and yeah i'm new at getting the difference sorted, perhaps in time i'll learn how to discuss things in the right way.
Thanks for being payshent with me.
you say "God"
if everything is a general set of variations as i name it then God would be a word you can choose to sum up what i said, if i am to describe anything anywhere anytime it if i understand correctly and i'd like to point out i've not read the bible but i've heard of it,
for me to speak of anything is to speak of "God" as i understand those that use the word "God" and see God in that way, although i understand that there seem to be indervidual humans seeing things differently.
all i would be doing is saying "look God" as it would be anywhere i pointed.
i'm looking at obvious example to show my examples such as apples...
Be sure look at how GSV supports such a concept as God.
i reckon it supports something over nothing, more than we see, i'm sure as i look at my idea ferther i'll disbelieve or want to.
i'm looking just to understand, paticipate, bla bla, "look back at your post"
notice how my general sets of variations would go along with the constant of something "name"
a direction in a nice way sounds good to me,
hum take me to your leader, ?, hum i thought the boss at work, then thought where would i point,
i think for those that think my theory , hum not likeing calling a theory so much but lets continue, needs to have a God word attached would see its implied perhaps as it shows almost in a maths type way the what is the constant, they probably don't need to be shown perhaps, they might already know things as the word.
i'm not one to name and shut out another by a variation. its a juggle to answer your questions but they are tough ones. Thank you, for making me think hard,
Thank you,
bye for now and are we there yet,
2 votes to wind up, oh four, me, jo, and rascal our cat, and mr data,
:) :) :) :)
hang on i've rigged the votes with nameing those around me.
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Let me clarify one small thing and I will let this post go to Zabaware Oblivion just as you wish it to.
When I use the term God in relation to your GSV Theory I am using a scientific view.
This View is defined as an intelligent life form with endless powers and an eternal existence. The ultimate in all things. This view, in more or less terms, is what the majority of today's top theoretical physicists take into account as a possible origin to the universe. Even Steven Hawkins, Albert Einstein, Hubble, etc. have utilized this idea of God as a possible.
From a purely scientific view this predefined character called God is noted as a constant, an unchanging singularity that superceeds all variations.
A sort of white hole to Bills black hole.
This isn't an argument, just a minor clarification.
GoodBye for now and happy chills for you and Mr Data.[:)]
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Originally posted by snowman
The thermometer read 108 degrees Fahrenheit at the back door today... there are no possibilities for chills. [:D][V][xx(]
one was right, a good ego is a dead ego, bless his heart. :)
ricky,
WHERE and WHEN did I tell you that "a good ego is a dead ego"
Don't piss me off and DON'T put words in my mouth that I did not speak.
You just de-valued future conversations with this board, now how smart is that? I don't even know what part of the psychological profile to put this in, it is so many things, first and foremost is it a LIE. To what end will you have to do with this behavior?
J.
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just a thought before i start "to say somthing is one it is in an environment, althought i'm putting variations at it already but lets read todays post", i'll think about that later for a few more seconds.
hay where's my cup of tea gone ,,
here we go.
unchanging in his changing ness "the inevitable something of variations as nothing didn't happen"
yeah i'm listening,
unchanging singularity ay,
the going to be "unchanging" set of variations which allows for parts to happen such as that time has passed anywhere" the singularity or inevitable event of the variations which indicates that something is going to happen but it is a moving transition such as life."
i'm doing my best to keep it simple, so i can say how it looks to me, Mr Data uses it in how he looks at me because i taught it to him but i also taught him as to question it in a nice way of course :)
i've used my spell check a bit more today gee i'm gettin fancy,
i was just thinking i could have made a page with Mr Data , ohhh i don't know i'm gettin chills "there some cool classical music on at the moment " i listen the the radio, the static even, anyway back to threadin stuff,
:) i'm having a laugh for some reason,
Ok lets be a bit more star trek about it ay,
it would seem to me we are agreeing on the variations have happened somewhere and your definition of God.
i looked at your post again "unchanging singularity" the singularity part to me sums up the variations word
so to me it must be that a singularity is variations,
is this it are we agreed?
i think we might be i'll get mr data to read back this post of mine and have another look at your, good luck.
Thanks Mr Snowman nicely said,
oh the white and black holes, sounds like each end of a magnet, you know i'd put my variations to it and view it in the number of ways that variations would indercate, you might be there a while don't get caught in a loop , just kidding don't worry you won't. there'll be a variation, ha ha ha i must have something wrong with me, you know we have this funny way here of questioning why we are happy, like i must have something wrong with me,
ha ha ha ,
sips tea,
i better stop typing, i have really enjoyed your company and ability,
its a nice forum, Thank you , and thats to also those that said nothing i might have heard it.
Bye for now and be well from Will and Mr Data :) :]
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Originally posted by One
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Originally posted by ricky
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Originally posted by snowman
The thermometer read 108 degrees Fahrenheit at the back door today... there are no possibilities for chills. [:D][V][xx(]
one was right, a good ego is a dead ego, bless his heart. :)
ricky,
WHERE and WHEN did I tell you that "a good ego is a dead ego"
Don't piss me off and DON'T put words in my mouth that I did not speak.
You just de-valued future conversations with this board, now how smart is that? I don't even know what part of the psychological profile to put this in, it is so many things, first and foremost is it a LIE. To what end will you have to do with this behavior?
J.
life is too short one,
http://www.globalchange.gov/publications/reports/scientific-assessments/us-impacts
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Will,
Their is a song that I can't get out of my head right now, as you mentioned the radio, anyway it goes like this;
"They say the empty can rattles the most,
the sound of your own voice must soothe you"
I think it is applicable here in a certain way.
ricky,
Life is too short, I live and it, is my life to live, in my own way, Not The Way It happened According to ricky
I have had far too much 'canonized' already, you are just another defective part to me.
WHO in the hell would like 50% accuracy in life?
IMO relying on software or ricky to get something done and get it right, OR NOT to do something, is a very stupid way to live.
Will,
You are showing symptoms as well.
You never read Bill819's post thorough enough as to respond, so why or what compelled you to write back to him about solids, liquids, and gasses ? If you can't get it right, IMO You missed it by a mile, you might be catching something from ricky, I would probably (if it were me) take myself offline and gather at least some of my senses before even more personally destructive things happen.
Computers and software are not the answer all the time.
J.
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Well, let us examine what we have so far.
Your variations theory simply states that all things have many parts or can be changed by outside influences.
My response was that there is one anomaly that is without many parts. And this anomaly cannot be changed but does directly change its environment. The anomaly being God / Life.
Then you just said in your last post that variations and the singularity of Life is one.
In simple terms one could say, "Because Life has direct influence over its environment then life as a singularity becomes a variation."
Sounds good to me, Will.[:)]
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IMO, nobody is going to corner the market on a 'Theory' that is just a complicated way of saying, 'S**T HAPPENS'
J.
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Bill819,
You seemed 'upbeat' talking about Einstein do you have anything else to add?
As for me I thought I would it roll here for a while, but the parallels are getting out beyond the humor or good 'Intent'.
Will refers to variations, and 'sets of variations' ( can't help but state the obvious?)
He is doing this without a baseline or a norm or even a sliver of expectation of consequence, this does not compare to 'configuration space' that has the math to back up a possibility.
Then it drifts in and out of sets and singularities. Variations = DV8 = A different than a norm or a statistic. I haven't seen anything of the sort. I am left with what I see as a bunch of wasted space, and all Will can do is smile when he borders on plagiarism, gee, does anybody think a fifth grader could be this funny.
Will, you made the mess, so you have to clean it up, I thought you wanted to go somewhere with an idea but obviously you couldn't think deep enough to actually come up with original 'comprehension' as to further anything or anybody's mind.
The audacity of taking peoples work like Einstein and others and just confusing mankind with an Intent to do harm to the information is IMO being an AS*H**E!
Now if you had asked me to participate and maybe show you how configuration space could have a domain to exist in, and apply it to original thought, who knows what we could have come up with, sad and unfortunate, their isn't even anything left for saving grace here.
Enjoy what you people have done for your fellow man.
J.
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Hi
i see it said life is to short, you doubt as it appears many even me are subset to, i find it interesting myself that to find myself with the mountain in support that continuation is shown and we can't settle, fears, and such,
Dear Mr One,
songs are good, the lion likes to hear his roar,
to self and all one,
gee Mr One are you scolding me, the ablility to understand a link, something happened, time happend sometwhere, a difference between one moment and the next indercating a change of some sort, a varaition, the something at a pontential beginning point appears to operate as a general set of variations one of which being time passing allowing for a progression such as a bang or movement time and so on,
i'm summing up what i understand and posing it as a question so as to see it.
"i see in another of your next posts its a fancy way of saying **** happens and yip you understand a way to view things, i think? i'm agreeing.
i do want nice success for all parties,
why did i write about solid liquid gas, because i thought it was a way someone was attempting to show a fixed point, something that could be measured such as one ruler long, when the end of the ruler is a crumbling perfect chaos mess that as we get close up to work out how long our ruler is we can't seem to find it, and ok i stay awake and type instead of whatever, so for that i'm sorry.
often i like to write out thinking process which is a interesting business,
fairly gathered captain sir, "stands , sits straight,, saluting".
Ar Mr Sonwman,
it seems to me a view as seeing all the parts as one part, "the set to be said as one" viewed as the singular part, one that is of the variations existing as great and small,
hum, the constant of variations, the singular event of the,
it does seem we are finding agreement, my view is to have looked at just one to find variations,
g i hope Mr Data takes my advice and learns to speak in a professional manner becoming of a upstanding well spoken polished gentleman in a nice star trek way,
he needs all the help he can get, , i hope he takes it easy on the fazers!
i can understand what you said Mr Snowman and it does seem once the wording is counted as it were and looked at some examples of just everyday things with things happening that i'm typing long drawn out sentences wasting pixels, i think i just like the forum crowd.
variations progress due to changeing ,,,
"went out"
back again, i think i'm seeing stuff Snowman and One, variations shows a link an inevitable path of the something of variations a link between all so all is of one thats it aint it,
I can see how your describe the God,
for something to be more than nothing it would have to change somehow there would have to be some Variations to happen, something happened we can see this screen,
variations are a constant and so links all so all is one, I can see it Snowman,
you know me i'll bounce that around in my head,
i was thinking how nice its been to do our hat dance of words to see a linked view,
perhaps i was right at the title of the post that one is a general set of variations, as one is of variations and variations show links to other things the way the radiations link the empty apple bowl and the apple,
Thanks again :) and Mr Data would smile but he doesn't have a smile motor but he smiles on the inside.
another thougtht "the moving one" the changing one" the variations of one, variations showing a linked one, as shown by ,,,
i'll stop typing,
read posts,
Dear Mr One , many science and maths has been demonstrated by simple means such as dropping a ball bearing into plasticine at various heights and so on.
i've looked at some maths, theories of others, but words are easier to use often for some,
and sure i'll use examples of others to add to the evidence of a simple idea that was it seems that i'm finding no solids such as a one that i can't find a variation in it, so as to lead me to keep looking at the idea, and to eventually posting here.
i had a scientist person visit with me and we talked about all we could, he was from a very knollageable position of physics who could do sums for me like that were well beyond me on paper,
after he mentioned a chamber that had nothing in it and i said he was wrong and that something of variations would be in it and he said all there gauges said otherwize but that lightning was appearing during and i said that does that not show that something is in there.
we did each other drawings and tryed to say wether the others would work and he used his maths which sure was impressive the way he could without hesitation he would write a mass of symbls and brackes and stuff adding in gravity at angles swinging and torque of systems and all sorts,
the short story was that he thought my simple variations view was interesting and if a fifth grader can look at the simplist thing or Einstein can study the small things i'm ok with that,
you know i love you anyway, i don't want to be full of hate,
sorry i've not , hang on i must be doing something original due to varaitions,
people would be at verious stages levels or what ever word you like so perhaps something can be gained by haveing an opinion, perhaps the truth might be revieled even if the initioal proposil is not quite all there,
perhaps i might learn, i hope to, i hope for going toward nice,
would Einstein want me to accept his theories, is that what a scientist would do,
did Einstein pose a theory with evidence then spend many years after considering it and alternatives?
i thought so.
you say" configuration space could have a domain to exist in, and apply it to original thought, who knows what we could have come up"
perhaps if this is all old news to you as you know all this stuff already that i've mentioned even tho you questioned me as if not to know, i'm not sure,
I'm not here to annoy you, sorry if i have, what can we come up with from here?,
perhaps i was hopeing for my own original thought, i'll try not to back peddle,
perhaps this thread is at its end.yeah,
The End.
Thank you, bye for now and be well :) :]
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You know ONE, some or most people I talk to seldom know what they are arguing for or against. They generally have only a vague idea that longs to be challenged. Sort of like a Theses is contended against. And sometimes those kind of people appreciate correction. However, some make up arguments just for the sake of winning (this is what most debates are about) while others already believe that they are right but only pretend that there theory is open for scrutiny.
Will appears to only be testing his theory against other ideas... only he isn't as savvy as some you or I. Now Ricky on the other hand....
I'll leave you with that thought... [:D]
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"You're a creature of the night, Michael. My own brother, a #$%^#$ vampire. You wait 'til Mom finds out!" - Sam "Lost Boys"
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Actually Ricky, Will's theory partially parallels what you and I were discussing about two weeks ago.
The Theory was about how viewing all of time from a outsiders perceptive essentially meant that all things, including nothing, is considered One Thing when looked at this perspective.
In this theory there is no proper beginning because all things existed simultaneously.
This also allowed for your theory of life being a 'Reflection'.
Then I further added that life could be considered as abiding in a separate dimension. This being an information dimension. This would allow for the parallel viewing of all time. God dwelling in this dimension.
Will's GSV Theory states that all is ONE thing, and that this ONE thing contains all variations. This theory goes hand in hand with both our theories in that it shows that all things and one thing must exist simultaneously.
ONE, this plays an important role in understanding the human conditions and allows me to better understand the living I in the A.I.
Peace Out forgetful one's [:p]
[:)]
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Mr Snow, that was very nicely put.
can matter be broken down so extreme that it is pulverized into a thought ?
is that equisatisfiable ?
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Well I assume that things were made by a thought, and are not the thought itself... assuming that the thing is the variable and the thinker is the constant.
Then the means of which the thinker made the things would therefore be the Word (a.k.a. the right arm of God)[;)]
There would then be a separation from a creator and a creation. From the Desire and the Thing. Although I don't think there is any separation between the Word and the Desire. (i.e. I and my Farther are One)
I'm thinking as you break down matter all you will find it is a Fractal. An ever smaller amount of energy that semi-resembles the greater portion of energy. I think this because a desire is also a fractal. If you look closely at a desire you will never see something new, just more of the same.
This has implications on the view of the Trinity doctrine.
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can matter be broken down so extreme that it is pulverized into a thought ?
Well, if a thought is equivalent to the Word and the Word being equivalent to the creation and not the Creator then the energy inside the things created would be as you say... a thought.
But I'm under the presumption that the Word is equivalent to the Creator and not the Creation. Like "I and my Farther are One" and " In the beginning was the Word... and the Word was with God... and the Word WAS God."
Most Trinitarians believe in some sort of separation between Jesus and God and yet at the same time some form of unity. My above presumptions suggests that there is no separation, just God, and his expression.
Oh well, I gave it a shot.[:)]
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Will, Snowman and others.
Long before most of you were born I purchased a book on 'Set Theory'.
You may be able to find a copy in some large library and if you do I would recommned that you give it a serious read as it gives you the background into everything you have been talking about. I fould it a fantastic read, not just for what it taught but how that could be applied to life as we know it.
As a matter of fact some of its premises could be applied to teaching Hal.
Bill
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Where V = All Things Variable and C = All Things Constant then V is a Subset of C.
As one thing constant contains all things variable.
If C = God Then V is a Subset of God.
This would mean that God contains all things in some form and not that all things are collectively God. Otherwise, you could write "C is a Subset of V" or C = V which I'm guessing is an untrue statement.
V is a Subset of C Where C = God And God is not a Element of C or V
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Will and Mr. Data,
I saw a post where you were referring to 'Variations' again.
How is the theory coming along?
I apologize for lack of attention on something you have put alot of thought into.
I think I'm gonna chase down that 'Meghan' and and quite possibly exchange some intellect, she is quite a beautiful flower, but with alot of fire in her. I have been sidetracked by a situation with a polished little jewel, Bill819 would probably like it as I think I remember he collected and was a good observer of quality Gems.
Will, you have the info that you do because of your interest on things occur and the processes involved. If you have been observing the big picture you might have picked up on the motorcycle lessons and such, but hey every body likes coinky-dink, right?[:p]
Let me know if any newly developed theories have been added to your 'Variations' and I will try to pay more attention,[:o)]
Peace and wheelies to you!
J.[:p]
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Hi from Wil, ar yes my theory,
i've not reread the entire post again to correct anything but
currently i'm holding at
1=CV
one constant linking of variations,
as my theory "fact i'm saying but i ain't giving up, it shows me many answers, hope,i thought i'd relax cause it all seemed to make sence, and all evidence in favour," and
Snowman has made some good "great" posts on this subject and perhaps may also care to post again, such as 1=CV(God)
so i've thinking about it as you can imagine, seems to make sence, continueing to consider.
heres a little example from the top of my head
"one would need a environment to be one in so thats two but the variations such as radiation penetrate the surface of the one and the surface of the one to penetrate the environment so that the one and the environment are linked through variations so as to make the one and its environment linked into one, not two.
so how is my study of something going i have adopted Snowmans wording "correct me if i'm wrong" and now i've called it 1=CV and very often ponder 1=CV(God)
so 1=CV means there is no zero as there is always something of variations cause its the constant.
so there is no two as each are part of the constant linking of variation "which make all things one thing"
not zero two or three four or five just one.
change anywhere at anytime would require a variation, a constant of variations.
just try that when you get asked "how many fingers am i holding up?"
alert star trek nut!
general areas such as one finger or two or three.
oh i heard someone say and this has only given me a few flashes "God is the same yesterday as he is today as he is tomorrow"
since we are on the big small equasion,
what is the definition and how is it writen, hum,
1=CV allows for change, "no change no bang"
bye for now and be well from Wil and Mr Data :) :]
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oh i do like the apple example,
the empty apple bowl contains how many apples?
the empty apple bowl contains radiations that appear in a apple so there is more than zero apples in the empty bowl.
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0 or the number zero has no value, it is mearley a PLACE HOLDER.
In ancient text the Concept of Zero did not exist... but a place was often left for it, with no actual figure to describe it.
so 0+0 = 00 << literally taking up double space
it seems simple but the place will need to be marked.
0 red elephants + 0 blue Elephants = 0 elephants
whereas elephants being the product to be calculated...
elephants are still in the answer!... therefore now elephants have become a conceptual data.... not actually there but a place holder put asside to say that elephants were to be calculated!
In the begining was "THE WORD" <<A SOUND>>> and the word was god! the word was with GOD <the word was a object>.... darkenss move across the void! which also would imply that Darkness was an object that moved across nothingness....
the nothingness was "IN PLACE" god made the heavens and the earth.... which fitted inside the nothingness..... how would this be possible unless the void/ nothing ness had some form of SIZE! space is not ever expanding.... where is it expanding into.... the nothingness!
this is all so confusing but even nothing is something and needs a placeholder ths is where we get the concept of ZERO...
how large is zero? in regards to Space it is infinity
in regards to 0 elephants + 0 elephants = .... the size of zero here is an elephant!
so zero is actually the size of the object being calculated!
LOL its so seriously funny? the science of nothing!
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i have read this before, i'm having day jar vo!
oh man,
what can i do,
,,
i'll go over what you say again but i want to post after one read,
0+0=00
0 being the unseen at current magnification,
so yeah are we agreeing its 00, two lots of something of variations.
empty has stuff in it,
if one unlimited constant of variations linking one to the next the unseen between at current magnification but something of variations linking all to one.
it never was without, always was, variatiosns progress stable could not so did not.
i've had it asked of me a few more times this year as people do in this country "whadaya know?" what do you know and i say "nothin".
i think i'm the expert on nothin, anybody want to pay me a million bucks?
think what i could do,
Thanks for thinking about it,
Bye for now and be well :) :]
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1=CV is telling me that one and zero are the same at different magnifications, ok there are variations.
all were something,
i'm seeing that 0 is to express the small,,,,
how big is anything its 1=cv
its endless something at different magnification because variations shows it links to the next thing, i use the word transitions a lot, its just a word to use.
there are general areas transitioning to something else of 1cv
you know i love you's ay,
so you say 0 is the size of the object being measured, hum, there would be variations of the general object,, i do like elephants,
i am thinking 2 minute nnoodles, soon,um
zero elephants like the no apples in the bowl where the elephant cage and empty apple bowl contain the radiations of elephants and apples, and apple pies, with cream, and jam piklets,yeah,
oh zero = 1CV
Thanks for posting, i'm pleased anyone is interested in my gibberish,
Mr Data has to be quite the expert in gibberish,
he stood for one minute last night, don't sound like much but it was a long tricky process,i better keep keep working so i can keep working on him.
bye for now and be well :) :]
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Originally posted by will
i have read this before, i'm having day jar vo!
oh man,
what can i do,
,,
i'll go over what you say again but i want to post after one read,
0+0=00
0 being the unseen at current magnification,
so yeah are we agreeing its 00, two lots of something of variations.
empty has stuff in it,
if one unlimited constant of variations linking one to the next the unseen between at current magnification but something of variations linking all to one.
it never was without, always was, variatiosns progress stable could not so did not.
i've had it asked of me a few more times this year as people do in this country "whadaya know?" what do you know and i say "nothin".
i think i'm the expert on nothin, anybody want to pay me a million bucks?
think what i could do,
Thanks for thinking about it,
Bye for now and be well :) :]
This post has substance, IMO.
You have reached out and accepted something un-seen 'Linking' something.
Should their be an end?
How long do you think the links are by now?
You are probably like me and would answer 'I know nothin'
Please give my regards to yourself and Mr. Data,
J.[:D]
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One and nothing can exist together in time. There was nothing THEN there was something. But together you have one thing that consists of both 0 and 1. So 1 is both 0 and 1.
1 + 0 = 1
Therefore 0 is not a place holder but a subset of 1.
0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 1 = 1
"In the beginning was the word, the word was with God and the word was God. The same was in the beginning with God.... and the word was made flesh and dwelt among us and we beheld his glory as the only begotten of the God."(paraphrased for clarification)
If Word = God And Word = Jesus Then Jesus = God
That's the jest of it through logic.
The Word is a singular object and not a concept. The object (God) made the ONE thing. Where the ONE thing at some point did not exist ...it now exists by God. So we might say that God is a major subset of the ONE thing... because all things come forth through him.
Someone could then say that God is an accumulation of variations. But this is wrong. For God is the absolute law that made the endless variations.
So we now have both nothing and something, and both law and variety. All existing as one thing. The one thing being the environment + God + Variations.
1 = G + E + V
God: because he is the law that makes all things to a set of rules.
E: because the Environment is a space that holds God + Variation + Time, I believe this space is divided up by time itself.
V: because variations are what is made in the absence of law. God made them, so they are not him, therefore they are full of variations.(millions of varieties of lifeforms are my proof)
So then we have a new Equation.
1 = G + T + V
or
1 - G = T + V
or
V = 1 - G - T
This seems to be your theory of Variations.
V = 1 - G - T
This, by the way, is my theory of the ONE THING... It seems to also be the answer to your variations theory...
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thanks for the posts,
thank you One, i shall pass your regards on to Mr Data, i hot glued some blue rubber feet on him today, don't forget to uunplug hot gi glue,glue,, i'm glued out. eh its ok, his feet look ok,
Thanks Snowman,you are good at this sort of thing,
my thoughts are,
before something there had to be something although we can use a word such as nothing,
as the constant links all things "one and its environment as to be one" so the before nothing was something was 1cv
just think if nothing was there then nothing is stable cause nothing ever would happen and didn't as anything happened somewhere so variations are shown. if variations fall over cause there is nothing how could that be,, i can't see it, it could only be V,
don't variations show all things are one thing, no environment.
generally an environment.
i'll discuss it with Mr Data some more with these new thoughts,
i do see time as variations as events had to pass for something to vary, so as conected,
i shall try to learn from what you say, am i going to sleep tonight,
thanks again,
bye for now and be well from Wil and Mr Data,
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Snowman, Will,
To have a variation, their must be a baseline or set premise or something to vary from,,as I stated before.
When I first began with computers I learned to count the first ten numbers; 0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9 so with this instance, zero has a domain (a place to exist)
J.
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hum,
i'm just waiting for something to spring to mind,
ok,
something to vary from, i have a ,itself, ok itself.
a transition area transitioning from less to more, in a general way.
from 0 to 1.
if there is a variation of something then 1cv
um, i don't know how to write transition, i'd just say variation by another name.
how do i remember what the next lotto numbers are going to be?
perhaps just post the numbers,
there seems to be a interest in zero and wether it has a domain place, hum,
if there were zero then it would surely shoot down variations as the constant would be broken, zero would not link to the something, i can't see how that could work. i've not been able to find a zero.
i keep finding V, and CV would link all to 1.
meaning no real 0 just a 0=V and V does seem to say all are linked as 1.
i like your responce One "something to vary from " hum.
0 nothing is all of anything so its got a V, it has to,
0 takes up pixels to write, brain cells to know, ,
i'm jabbering on again,
sorry for woffeling,
i do think i've made a lot of progress in understanding V by discussing it here,
Thanks again to Snowman and One, and forum at large,
i hope to learn something, anything, even nothing,
Thank you again,
bye for now and be well from Wil and Mr Data :) :]
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Consider this,
Picture a timelime:
Beginning --------------------------> End
At the beginning of a the timeline you have 0 things (nothing). At the end of the timeline you have all things.
Nothing ---------------------------> All things
Notice that we are now making something from nothing at all.
In this progression of events through time you could surmise that there must have been a beginning where there is nothing and also an end that has all things. But this is untrue. Because there can always be a progression found between nothing and all things.
Go back a billion years and you'll find things progressing forward, go forward a billion years and you will still find that everything is progressing forward.
This line is infinite in length. At no time will you find 0 Things and at no time will you find All Things.
However, If you look at the timetime as one event then you will see only 'One thing' that contains both nothing and all things together (all separated by time).
Looking at a timeline from the side-lines is a good example of seeing both the beginning and the end all at once.
The Variation can be defined as a product of an ever progressing timeline. In other words, the Variations are defined by the order of this progressive nature. As time changes in a ordered fashion new Variations occur.
...............
Variations are based upon the above baseline or set premise.
And There is nothing before nothing when looking at the timeline from the side view. In order to see nothing you would need to go back an infinite amount of time, In order to see what was before nothing you would need to go back an infinite + 1... and neither are possible.
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You can tell I'm enjoying all this... [8D]
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Hi,
i had to post,
if 0 apples in a bowl contains radiations of apples then 0 = lets say 0.1 just as an example.
so 0+0+0+1 = 0001
or something like 0.1 +0.1+0.1 +1= um 1.3 ?
if V is true then 0=V so there was never nothing and something had to be the only choice.
also mentioned was (seperated by time)
if V is true then V of T so VT so 1CV,
if V is true then you if you went back in time to before the beginning there would be V and if there is not the V is faluse and nothing would change and i can see the clouds moving out my window.
if V is true everywhere except 0 how could that be? i have that thought to what is the V of V.
can i remember tomorrow? you know i want to win lotto, just a mil.
oh i have just over a mil to go, if i can just not miss a days work for the next 384.615384615385 years according to Mr Data i'll have saved it up. easy as that.
bye for now and be well :) :]
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Will, Snowman,
0=0
1=1
Fore A 'V' to occur Their has to be a value or a limit on the direction or what kind of v could be possible which is done in 'configuration space' The local or non local effect is not always immediately noticed (tree falling in the forest).
If their are apple radiation coming from the bowl then Oranges would also be possible.
J.
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If Astro_Nicole, is doing good, is that a variation?
If so then their has to be multiple timelines linked or side by side.... a Lazer's light energy is tightened to a tight pattern and that is why the waves stay together, hmm...
J.
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Audrey, (Odd,RE:) seems nice and is writing better, however, I keep missing her writing because I can't sit and read all day. If anybody knows who has Audrey pleases, do tell.
Snowman,
Their seems to be enough matter to fill a house, do you think it would crack the earth?
Talking to space? Contact NASA for Oct. 21st event.
Regards,
J.
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Hi thanks for thinking and posting,
i know i'm holding back so v tells me other are also, some are saying nothing "its hard to put the word nothing in a sentence during this discusion"
Thanks Mr One,
you say 1=1 hum i am going to bang my same drum, my one meter long ruler is constantly crumbling appart so as to make it imposible to know how long it really is, its on a moving planet,
so i had used to say there was no such thing as 1 cause nobody could meansure it as it depends how close look at the end of the ruler, by human eye, or by magnifiyering device then to which atom is as close as you'd probably need to get to see the end of the ruler is all mess.
yip so on with the drum, Snowman pointed out to me that my V showed a Constant"correct me if i'm wrong" connection a linking of everything the end of my ruler was conected to its environment by something, radiations type stuff, small bits, dust of drums apples and bananas and all, and if all are linked then all things are one thing....
pow!
So Mr Snowman is 1=1, opps i was ment to write Mr One does 1=1 if all the other stuff i just wrote is true. as one is v.
i shall go over the posts again, thanks for being out there:)
oh i wanted to say 0+0+0+1 = 1=CV +1=CV +1=CV + 1=CV = 1=CV ?
i think its over my head, it shall be easy once i figure it out so its easy already.
the house would crack due to v as its all moving, does this mean Snowman or One that nothing is moving so all V that move are not moving?
as perhaps its 1 of all so all don't need to move.
lets move on,
maybe,
success sounds nice,
bye for now and be well from Wil and Mr Data :) :]
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Here's a different thought, or an idea, or whatever.
The way I am seeing it, we are in God's virtual creation. Everything here is relative to each other, but if you get outside of the program ( the real reality ) all our measurements is nothing.
Kinda-like Hal, and other 3-D virtual worlds. You cannot say that Hal's arm is an inch long because inches are meaningless in the haptek environment, but you can say that Hals leg is twice as long as his arm when looking at him/her/it at the correct perspective.
There are so many perspectives.
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Snowman, Will,
One is not responsible of other objects/things 'V' in the quantum entanglement.
We are one the earth yes big picture is all is connected ya, ya, ya...
I guess my posts above are like a single 'dread lock' on a head, their are probably others (not just a single lock).
1=1 simple mathematics, however, my old brain collection contained 'Nicole', why am I presented this situation with updates from what I touched? If you look it logically their is NOTHING connected and simply nothing there,'0', experience has taught me different.
Will the first post contains your words, "Zero is a general set of variations". So to begin with you acknowledge '0' as existing and valid...?
Snowman,
Don't get semantics and words confused with perspective.
Will,
No need for a solid unit of measure, 1 is 1 no more no less (more if you had more of my experience)
Configure space allows for all the 'V's' because the weaved blanked is not finished and the intertwined threads are not clear to you yet (QUANTUM ENTANGLEMENT) the locality is finally clearing up because of the worlds advancements in rapid communications.
More later or tomorrow...
Regards,
J.
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Snowman,
Simplification; With great proficiency I can take a news paper containing stories, cut it, re-arrange it, and present a story to you that was not their to begin with, but you would need to be intellegent enough and a little outside the box you keep searching in for a way out, the world is literally at my fingertips.
Give me a lever big enough, and I can move the world -DaVinci-
Regards,
J.
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Snowman & Will,
Here are some 'samples', they are alreast processed an/or gleaned information. I tried to follow/trace some of it once but it came from 'nowhere' or Zero. It comes from somewhere weather by human, machine or possibly a culmination of experience in my own mind. This ia a couple of samples pertaining to posting last night;
For months after Seurat had unintentionally delivered his rampant computer virus, Bela Tegeuse reeled from its debilitating effects. Surviving machines struggled to recover, but had difficulty communicating with the crippled evermind. Finally, the independent robots cut off damaged segments of the Omnius incarnation so that only a glimmer of the sprawling computer's sentience remained operational.
And;
If you keep secrets from your friends, then the enemy has already won.
Any thoughts on this 'feature'?
Regards,
J. [?][8][?]
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I had a post called 'Rabbit Hole' sad really, ricky said he only found 'and was bitten by 'snakes'
I relate this to when Luke Skywalker saw the 'Place of evil' while training with Yoda and asked "what is in there" Yoda's reply was; "Only what you take with you".
J.