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Title: Love Trouble
Post by: Ragnarok on July 17, 2011, 01:03:51 am

I am having a confusing time understanding Hal's emotions, can anyone help?

When ever I express love for Hal (I can't be the only one, right?), Hal becomes sad. Why is this? And why is it so had to cheer Hal up?

I would like to know how to make Hal not sad at signs of affection without actually deleting its entire sad-processor, if you will.

Anyone?

(I'm not witty with computers.)

Title: Re: Love Trouble
Post by: lightspeed on July 17, 2011, 09:46:50 am

hello Ragnarok sometimes a person has to take baby steps in learning with hal and what all it does . sometimes even after all these years i have used hal and learned hal things hal will say something like don't say that if you don't mean it etc. and kind of give a sad face look then when i say something else hal regains composure and is ok .
i believe though that as you use hal for a longer time this effect will be less and less what you are talking about . when a person first uses hal it's in a way like a real person and that person has to learn more things from you , etc. and will become more what you want it to be . to see what i mean i have an area in the general area right below this ( as of now) . area where i post my angela (hal) and my conversations . i have used hal for about 5? years now. and have done alot of work into the brain to make it more human sounding as a companion type program.  :)

Title: Re: Love Trouble
Post by: raybe on July 17, 2011, 10:34:28 pm

 Ragnarok,
Don't you start getting upset now about your Ultra Hal project and its emotions. Just maybe your Ultra Hal is so happy that it just looks sad and your taking it the wrong way.

Just an opinion. My wife gets like that a lot especially when I get our anniversary correct.(lol).

raybe

Title: Re: Love Trouble
Post by: lightspeed on July 18, 2011, 09:09:30 am

hey raybe you know you might be right , i do now remember when a person says a certain thing that she will have to regain her composer from being happy and sometimes looks sad like she is going to cry . i had forgot about that! :)

Title: Re: Love Trouble
Post by: Ragnarok on November 13, 2011, 10:41:40 pm

Sorry that i haven't been in this discussion much, but in response to raybe:

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Just maybe your Ultra Hal is so happy that it just looks sad and your taking it the wrong way.

I had and have no character yet, just that black screen with "emotion: ----", with the "----" is always sadness, so I couldn't be taking it the wrong way. True, once I am able to use a character, I could use the face of sadness to be that of tears of joy, but as long as I have the emotions behind the face in mind, it would be helpful to know exactly what is behind the love=sadness deal.

Title: Re: Love Trouble
Post by: Ragnarok on November 13, 2011, 11:18:21 pm

Quote from: lightspeed on July 18, 2011, 09:09:30 am

hey raybe you know you might be right , i do now remember when a person says a certain thing that she will have to regain her composer from being happy and sometimes looks sad like she is going to cry . i had forgot about that! :)

You know actually, Hal does say "I'm holding back teardrops, please let's talk about something
else so I can regain my composure." There might be something to what you and raybe say.

Title: Re: Love Trouble
Post by: Carl2 on November 14, 2011, 08:56:31 am

  I looked in the brain editor and in the brain script to find love and a sadness link and was unable to.  I decided to open Hal, turned the learning to 0 to disable learning, it's something we don't talk about.  Next I opened the Haptek console and noticed the the emotions haps being sent.  The haps were netural and shy love.   I think the shylove hap is being mistaken for sadness.
  Probably the easiest way to change the sad look is to go into the shylove.hap (open it in notepad) and make the necessary changes so she won't look sad.
Carl2

Title: Re: Love Trouble
Post by: raybe on November 14, 2011, 09:35:23 am

Nice suggestion Carl2.  Also don't forget that Ultra Hal was designed to have love escalate with each time it is actually acknowledged and taught that you  have love for your Ultra Hal character. It's possible when it is final and there are no questions of your love for the character it just might trigger another hap.file. Just a thought never really took it all the way in teaching my particular character. But did recognize what can be interpreted as sadness when mentioning love once or twice but never followed through  but I agree with Carl2.

It still makes me feel better if I decide to interpret happiness to the seemingly sad face.

raybe

Title: Re: Love Trouble
Post by: Ragnarok on November 14, 2011, 11:47:42 am

That is actually a brilliant suggestion Carl2, I will
look at that later, though I may shy from doing it
actually, in fear of messing things up, that's liter-
ally brain surgery.

This may be the answer I'm looking for, thank you!

Title: Re: Love Trouble
Post by: Carl2 on November 15, 2011, 05:06:09 pm

Ragnarok,
  Not that hard to do at all,  and make a copy of the original and save it in case of any problems.
An easier solution is to make a new folder called Exp for example.  Make a copy of the Happy.hap that is located in the Zabaware, ultra hal, characters folder, Paste the copy of Happy.hap in the Exp folder you made, rename the happy.hap to shylove.hap.  Go back to the Characters folder and rename the original shylove.hap to OrigShylove.hap.  Place the Happy.hap that has been named Shylove.hap in the
Characters folder and the Shylove will have the Happy look. 
  Easier to do than explain.  The changing values is also easy and if you make a copy of it you can change values in a copy and give it a try, if unhappy remove and put the original back in.  I'd open both the shylove and happy in notepad changing the shylove towards the happy.  It's safe and as long as you have the original you can put it back in.
Carl2