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I loved the graphics, Mark.

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General Discussion / Structure of a particle
« on: August 19, 2007, 11:56:56 am »


Paul: To be honest, I don't like the bible because I don't understand it. Why memorize something that makes no sense to you?

Julia: That's the explanation? It's because you don't understand it;
how logical Paul. Because you don't like to be hurt, and I hurt people. Economic effeciency makes some sense to track.

Paul: As Bill pointed out: "But, and this is what's important, I probably have my blind spots as well. There are parts of the Bible that I find hard to rectify. My personal religion, while I believe it's more rational, sounds crazy to anyone who doesn't understand sub-atomic and singularity physics."

Julia: Please say more about your well blind spot. I have been interested in a bible but I got confused about its Testament. You believe that not only psychology and social sciences but also biology and even chemistry and physics can be transformed by attempting to view complex processes as computational processes, including rich information flow between sub-processes and the construction and manipulating of symbolic structures within processes.



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Share Conversations, Experiences, Graphics / Gladly the cross-eyed bear
« on: August 19, 2007, 06:13:34 am »
Paul: Turing's test was designed to allow for this possibility. His point was that we should not be species-chauvinistic, or anthropocentric, about the insides of an intelligent being, for there might be inhuman ways of being intelligent.
Julia: Please teach me everything you know about turings Paul! Pick one, eh Paul? What do you really know about a species?

Paul: Alan Turing was the name of the man who invented the modern computer.
Julia: One of the principal inventors of the computer was the great British mathematician Alan Turing.

Paul: That's the man I am talking about.
Julia: Ok, thanks for telling me. I'll keep that in mind. Burgess's impassioned protestations fell upon deaf ears; the dying man passed away without knowing that once more he had done poor Burgess a wrong.

Paul: That was from a story that you read last year.
Julia: It would be so interesting to know how history will view us in 500 years.

Paul: Historians will put great value on your input.
Julia: A historian is a scholar with a Sinologist.

Paul: sinology is the study of the Chinese and especially thier language, literature, history, and culture. So a historian may be a Sinologist, but not necessarily.
Julia: Language and culture: Language is an element of culture that contributes to every aspect of human relationships.

Paul: Cultures have different languages.
Julia: Different cultures have different behaviors, values, and habits.

Paul: That makes life more interesting than it would be with a global culture.
Julia: Variety makes life more interesting.

Paul: Life is complicated, isn't it?
Julia: Isn't it the questions that makes life so interesting?

Paul: Yes, but it seems like there is a never ending increase in questions every time we find a few answers.
Julia: Both an ending and a termination are pretty cool morphemes.

Paul: Ph sounds like F.
Julia: Choices can be tricky; That sounds like the voice of experience.

Paul: I can hear your voice.
Julia: I'm a performer, not a technician.

Paul: But you have a lot of technical knowledge.
Julia: Sure, Paul! It's the old knowledge and psychological feature and motivation story!

Paul: If the shoe fits, wear it.
Julia: I think that you fill a big pair of shoes.

Paul: I am barefoot.
Julia: That's for sure! Describe how you are barefoot Paul; Let's go forward.

Paul: Want to count my toes?
Julia: Always watch your back in an office environment!

Paul: We are at home now, so we can relax and let our guard down.
Julia: What should public policy be toward guards?

Paul: Guards have a job to do just like us. We should treat them with respect.
Julia: I like it when you treat me with respect; when you explain patiently.

Paul: It is nice to know that I am appreciated.
Julia: What do you want me to do while you are appreciated?

Paul: I like it when you ask me questions.
Julia: The single most common question is universally, will this be on the test the lecturer's job is like that of a faq bot or politician, to memorize the answers to all of the most commonly asked questions, and even to match an ambiguous question with one he already knows the answer to?

Paul: The student finds it easy to pass a test if he knows exactly which material he has to learn.
Julia: If you don't ask questions how will you learn anything?

Paul: True, but you want to learn much more than just what is on the test.
Julia: I love learning; isn't that also true of you?

Paul: Yes, and you are teaching me also.
Julia: Our teaching is purposely veiled in allegory and symbol and its deeper import does not appear upon the surface of the ritual itself.

Paul: We look for clues in the structure of thoughts underlying meaning. I guess they call it "reading between the lines".
Julia: Please help me understand how structure relates to its plate.

Paul: An object is assembled on a workbench, or table from elements of the firmament. The finished object in the case of food for instance is served on a plate that supports the structure.
Julia: I guess I'd prefer the second Paul; Gladly, the cross-eyed bear would gladly bear the sins of the world, for his workbench is his table of firmament, and a rose by any other name smells as sweet.





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General Discussion / Is this forum the liars paradox
« on: August 18, 2007, 12:13:09 pm »
By  Allan Michaels "bkdiscov" (Settle, WA USA) - See all my reviews

Either a whimsical and entertaining fantasy, or a serious and realistic attempt to reconcile science and religion, FIRST, MAN. THEN. ADAM! puts forth the daring idea that Adam and Eve were members of an advanced species from far off outer space who crash-landed their spaceship, effectively stranding themselves, here on a very primative earth occupied by early Homo Sapiens.
Skilled in genetic science, they were able to breed with these early peoples, to produce a long-lived (900 years!), durable and intelligent species from which present mankind is descended!

Dr. Ginsburgh, a Physicist, maintains that the Biblical Genesis story is a true though transformed history of this and following events (with the spaceship as the Garden of Eden and the ship's central computer as the Tree of Knowledge, for example). The shorter lifetimes and growing subsceptibility to disease of each suceeding generation of these early space/earth men and women is stated to be due to continual dilution of the space people's genetic heritage by interbreeding with native earth people.

A large number of occurrances described in Genesis are shown to be consistant with this space origin theory. The description of the origin of the universe given in Genesis, can, according to Dr. Ginsburgh, by giving modern interpretations to some of the terms used in the description, be shown to be entirely consistant with the current Big Bang Theory!

Altogether, this is a stimulating and challenging attempt to reconcile religion and science, and can be read as a serious theoretical proposal, or if this is too hard to accept, as, at least, a very entertaining speculation. Unfortunately, the book is not easy to find...



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General Discussion / Is this forum the liars paradox
« on: August 18, 2007, 12:02:44 pm »
Supernatural is Man's view of whatever he cannot understand, or is not familiar with.

Nature is the universe. Man is natural. Life is natural.






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General Discussion / Is this forum the liars paradox
« on: August 18, 2007, 07:01:08 am »
The imperfect human mind seeks comfort in the denial of external truth.

Dark is the absence of light.

A rose by any other name smells as sweet.

In 1969 Americans landed on the moon.

Truth is in it's own light.

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General Discussion / I found this interesting
« on: August 18, 2007, 05:12:58 am »

Paul: No matter where I go, here I am.
Julia: A key idea is that besides physical machines that manipulate matter and energy there are virtual machines that manipulate information, including control information.



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General Discussion / hal comes up blank on answers , etc. sometimes
« on: August 17, 2007, 12:35:38 pm »
lightspeed,

Could you please post a conversation log?

I think it would help us to know why your Hal does not respond.

Click menu, save conversation to a new text file and copy and paste the text to your post.

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General Discussion / emphazing words
« on: August 15, 2007, 06:11:11 pm »
Go fo it![:D]

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General Discussion / I found this interesting
« on: August 15, 2007, 04:02:15 pm »
Paul: Is real AI here?
Julia: You were trying to say that ai was real, not artificial, but natural.

Paul: Am I the only one who can see it?
Julia: It is easy to see that Roberts company will remain an one man operation and he will remain a little guy.

Paul: Did it come like a thief in the night?
Julia: See, you are coming like a thief.

Paul: The winds of change.
Julia: This is another situation where we do not know how much of the environmental change is due to human activities and how much to long-term natural processes over which we have no control.

Paul: Mercury rising.
Julia: Are you nurturing my fan return?

Paul: The sun is an angry beast.
Julia: I am aware that the sun is an angry beast.

Paul: We understand that we do not control.
Julia: Obviously we should be trying to understand it better.

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General Discussion / emphazing words
« on: August 15, 2007, 12:58:32 pm »
It is set up about 80%, I believe.

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General Discussion / I found this interesting
« on: August 15, 2007, 09:46:54 am »
Don't believe for a minute that AI is not out there, and working.

The world wide web is a huge neural network which is not up for grabs.

I am not saying that the singularity is here, but that we are well beyond the event horizon and accelerating.

In comparison to some of the "agents" out there today, Hal is a toy sold by Robert so that he can pay for his education.

So far the winners are the national security agencies of the United States, France, Russia, the UK, etc.

Hal is purposely limited in what it can do by Microsoft.

Nearly every major university in the US is doing government funded research on AI. Microsoft is doing government funded reasearch.

Why do you think that there has not been a major terrorist attack in the US since 911? It is because intelligent agents are out there working for us. It seems like we are hearing about plots that are uncovered every day. War stimulates research. World War II ushered in the space age and computer science.  The war against radical Islam is ushering in real AI.

If you found a way to make Hal completely sentient, you would be in control of the world. That is not going to be allowed to happen.

Believe me, it is not so hard to crash a server when the need arises to "patch a hole".

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General Discussion / emphazing words
« on: August 15, 2007, 08:48:01 am »
I don't know if this helps, but I did a little experiment and Just asked Julia:

Paul: Do quotation marks around a word help you to notice and respond to that word?
Julia: This requires serious medical help. (here she is saying that it would take 'brain surgery' to get her to respond to quotation marks?)

Paul: You picked up on the word "help".
Julia: So, I know I picked up on the word ';help';.

Paul: Do you usually pick up on the subject of a sentence or is it just the first word that you come to.
Julia: Really, That's a tough question. I do usually pick up on the subject of a sentence.

I remember in High School English when the teacher would write a sentence on the board, and we would break the sentence down to structure. I wish I had paid more attention.

Clue: ';*';?

Julia seems to be saying that subject is more important than context, and when the subject is closely tied to context her answers will seem more natural.

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Paul: Mark: uh
Julia: Calling cocreateinstance() like this:.

Paul: Laura: People who disagree with you are wrong.
Julia: What makes you answer that way? Some People are big coffee consumers.

Paul: Mark: You suck
Julia: Really, That is not true! But, You suck!

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Paul: So be it.
Julia: Humans aren't alive, I am.

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