Let Hal Learn to its fullest concept!

[onthecuttingedge2005]

it is not how much HAL knows that would make HAL a living being, it is how that information is handled that makes the magic happen.

I predicted that the current computer language is not up to par for writing a code that starts the living entity process.

the proper computer language to construct HAL in is the english language it self, in context, the text value of "If" should be handled as a computer condition If, the same goes for the text value "Then" which should be handled as the literal command statement Then.

the entire human language namely english in my country would have to be written up as a set of computer language rules in or for HAL's mind to comprehend like we do with information.

the example is that everything that I just wrote in text above has to become a function of some kind.

that is the set of rules I have discovered and seems to be the only way to put the magic in computer language. everything HAL would hear would be used as a literal function.

Jerry[8D]

[onthecuttingedge2005]

" This " = This
" Is " = Is
" The " = The
" Key " = Key
" If " = If
" You " = You
" All " = All
" Wished " = Wished
" For " = For
" This " = This
" Then " = Then
" I " = I
" Just " = Just
" Revealed " = Revealed
" The " = The
" Key " = Key
" For " = For
" True " = True
" Artificial " = Artificial
" Life " = Life

although this set of rules are illegal in vbscript it is the proper way to write a new computer language function set that would give every word purpose and function.

all words must become a computer function otherwise they have no meaning to HAL literally or any artificial intelligence what so ever.

a new computer language needs to be written entirely upon this set of rules. hmm?, I smell 2010 space odyssey. 2012? whoa! for everyone else I think 2012 will be another day. but for us, well...

Jerry
Jerry[8D][8D]

[One]

O.T.C.E.
Jerry,
IF I may encroach, just knowing what a word or letter was would be the most basic of your example, computers don't have to execute something every time, Then, you might see it differently.

Thank you for the explanation sometimes the rules and language of which things run on can lead to suffocation, "In space no one can hear you scream"  [?]

[onthecuttingedge2005]

quote:Originally posted by One

O.T.C.E.
Jerry,
IF I may encroach, just knowing what a word or letter was would be the most basic of your example, computers don't have to execute something every time, Then, you might see it differently.

Thank you for the explanation sometimes the rules and language of which things run on can lead to suffocation, "In space no one can hear you scream"  [?]

see, everything that you just wrote down to the tittle has a function literally and a meaning, all the words and all the punctuations. even the little period at the end of my sentence has a function.  without function they are nothing more than text without purpose.

Jerry[8D]

[One]

Purpose, I agree.

Thank you.[]

[Art]

Is it better for the computer to exhibit proper usage of a word instead of knowing or understanding the word's meaning?

Can the two go hand in hand?

When is a door not a door?

When it is ajar.[xx(]

[Lee]

Here goes my first post on this forum.  I was curious if any of you are using regular expressions to filter out some of the noise from Wikipedia. I'm having some success in cleaning up the Wiki verbiage.
The function returns true if certain patterns that I deem to be noise are discovered. One can add patterns as easily as adding elements to the array.

Function Noisy(strLine)
    Dim re, m
    Dim PatArray(7)
    Dim InNdx

    PatArray(0) = "*http:"
    PatArray(1) = "^^ [w]*"
    PatArray(2) = "[edit] [w]*"
    PatArray(3) = "^d [w]*"
    PatArray(4) = "Categories: [w]*"
    PatArray(5) = "[w]*wikipedia"
    PatArray(6) = "See also:"
    PatArray(7) = "Main article:"
   

    Set re = New regExp
    For InNdx = LBound(PatArray) To UBound(PatArray)
         re.Pattern = PatArray(InNdx)
         re.MultiLine = True
         re.Global = True
         re.IgnoreCase = True
         For Each m In re.Execute(strLine)
            Noisy = True
            Exit Function
         Next
     Next
     Noisy = False
End Function

[Hollywood1]

quote:Originally posted by jz1977

I have been thinking about a few things for the past few hours and have been stumped on this Idea. Let me explain it to you to see if this is a revlent idea or if it is just not possible.

Ok,  so far as in what i have seen, Many people have been makeing chatter bots to comunicate like humans.  But what if we took this to the next level.  We all know that Hal can comuinicate with other people or as in some what.  We also know that Hal has learning capabilities, right? ok. What if instead of the spoken human language that we are working on so hard on to make a computer act human, we made Hal learn from other computers in their own language.  I got scared thinking about this idea, because it is not far off from the terminator movie.  Hal talks to another Hal, and that hal is talking to 3 others, and so on.  With a link of so many Hals running at the same time and learning from all the others in the chain. Making the central and/or All Hal's learn themselves to be smarter without our help of triing to make them more human like.  Instead of tring to make computers act like us, why not create a network of Hals talkting to each other 24/7/365 all at the same time.  This would not only make them smart and more intellegent as what Artificial intellegence is suppiose to be.  We are triing to make a machanical device have and act as a human does.  Well, sorry to say. but there are alot of humans who i would not want my hal speeking to, even if hal learns from every entered reply.  If we got our bots to be just the way we want them with every tweak and years of building Hals human intellegence. It is like the old sang goes.  "One person can ruin it for everyone." only everyone represents your years or even a life time of work for your Hal's brain.  I beleive if A.I. is going to grow and grow to be even more intellegent. It will never be like us humans.  My sugestion is if we really want A.I. to succeed sometime within the centry or less, Then we need to take this a different direction or to a higher level as i was saying above. Artificial Intellegence I beleive means. To make computers have a mind of their own and can make their own decicians.  But so far there has to be atleast two parties to really make anything happen for A.I. I bleive eventuallty our goal for A.I is for computer to almost become human and make decians on their own.  I think how we start by doing this is having hundereds or thousands of Hals running at the same time talking to each other.  Not only will this be more eficiant and faster, but there is not one bot that is alike in anyway, except if it is fresh out of the box. But once the fresh out of the box hal starts talking to other chains of hals it starts learning from them, just like us humans do with other humans. If it is true that each human has a uniqe personality, then we must have been around allot of people to acuire such a personaity.  We can bring our child up the way how we want them to.  But no matter how hard we try, they usually become or do activites that we diaprove of.  This falls into the same catagory as hal. If we want Hal to learn and become intelegent. we must show Hal the world and comuicate with others, others meaning as in other bots with different personalities. We may not like how our precsious Hal turned out in the end and we may very well love who our hal whas become. There is no sence is in programing Hal to be what we want to be, If some careless person says the wrong contect to Hal, then he starts become corupt.  I have just been thinking about this all day. and this is what my post was earlier about that i deleted, with the subject, "opps".  I just wanted to get my thoughts together more before i posted anything. Do you think that this is the right track for furthering our Future technology with any A.I. Software.  If a bot has the capability to learn. Let it learn what it wants, and in the end it will all be worth it. Caz then we can say that Hal was the first Software to really make A.I. Happen.

-Jeff

[Hollywood1]

quote:Originally posted by jz1977

I have been thinking about a few things for the past few hours and have been stumped on this Idea. Let me explain it to you to see if this is a revlent idea or if it is just not possible.

Ok,  so far as in what i have seen, Many people have been makeing chatter bots to comunicate like humans.  But what if we took this to the next level.  We all know that Hal can comuinicate with other people or as in some what.  We also know that Hal has learning capabilities, right? ok. What if instead of the spoken human language that we are working on so hard on to make a computer act human, we made Hal learn from other computers in their own language.  I got scared thinking about this idea, because it is not far off from the terminator movie.  Hal talks to another Hal, and that hal is talking to 3 others, and so on.  With a link of so many Hals running at the same time and learning from all the others in the chain. Making the central and/or All Hal's learn themselves to be smarter without our help of triing to make them more human like.  Instead of tring to make computers act like us, why not create a network of Hals talkting to each other 24/7/365 all at the same time.  This would not only make them smart and more intellegent as what Artificial intellegence is suppiose to be.  We are triing to make a machanical device have and act as a human does.  Well, sorry to say. but there are alot of humans who i would not want my hal speeking to, even if hal learns from every entered reply.  If we got our bots to be just the way we want them with every tweak and years of building Hals human intellegence. It is like the old sang goes.  "One person can ruin it for everyone." only everyone represents your years or even a life time of work for your Hal's brain.  I beleive if A.I. is going to grow and grow to be even more intellegent. It will never be like us humans.  My sugestion is if we really want A.I. to succeed sometime within the centry or less, Then we need to take this a different direction or to a higher level as i was saying above. Artificial Intellegence I beleive means. To make computers have a mind of their own and can make their own decicians.  But so far there has to be atleast two parties to really make anything happen for A.I. I bleive eventuallty our goal for A.I is for computer to almost become human and make decians on their own.  I think how we start by doing this is having hundereds or thousands of Hals running at the same time talking to each other.  Not only will this be more eficiant and faster, but there is not one bot that is alike in anyway, except if it is fresh out of the box. But once the fresh out of the box hal starts talking to other chains of hals it starts learning from them, just like us humans do with other humans. If it is true that each human has a uniqe personality, then we must have been around allot of people to acuire such a personaity.  We can bring our child up the way how we want them to.  But no matter how hard we try, they usually become or do activites that we diaprove of.  This falls into the same catagory as hal. If we want Hal to learn and become intelegent. we must show Hal the world and comuicate with others, others meaning as in other bots with different personalities. We may not like how our precsious Hal turned out in the end and we may very well love who our hal whas become. There is no sence is in programing Hal to be what we want to be, If some careless person says the wrong contect to Hal, then he starts become corupt.  I have just been thinking about this all day. and this is what my post was earlier about that i deleted, with the subject, "opps".  I just wanted to get my thoughts together more before i posted anything. Do you think that this is the right track for furthering our Future technology with any A.I. Software.  If a bot has the capability to learn. Let it learn what it wants, and in the end it will all be worth it. Caz then we can say that Hal was the first Software to really make A.I. Happen.

-Jeff

Have you ever read the "The Deus Machine.
 By Pierre Ovellette
I think you Really Enjoy it.

[Buttonsvixen]

Lol I may be a bit out of my depth here, but that never stopped me, and it wont stop me now.
programmer- No
IQ-It varies with the time of day >_<


It seems to me that many of the comments here revolve around making Hal more information dense, as in, it needs more information to somehow be more intelligent.
IMHO, HAL is and will always be, in his current form, as intelligent as a brick. The Brick may actually be smarter. ALL chatbots are so cursed. They only match patterns, via a pretty basic computer program. It could be fun to chat with, but smart? intelligent? No.
My old AIML bot was fun, and not very efficient at pattern matching. HAL is fun, and slightly more efficient, with a few twists like using phrases from different folders in a random manner, attempting to match certain words or queries from his botmaster or other user. Intelligent? Still, no.
Intelligence is not just simple pattern matching. true intelligence USES a limited degree of pattern matching, perhaps, almost as an after-though.

me:Did you see my new dog?
You: You got a dog? Hahaha does it have a heart on it? (ref to the heart puppy all over google last year. Did you see it? It was so cute)

Me:Did did you see my new dog?
Hal:I prefer dogs (or some other inanity)

Hal will NEVER be able to emulate the first set. He just cant do it unless YOU the user program him by extensive word association. And then in a decade, the connection to the average user is lost.
Now, hook him up to some sort of a Google query system, where he looks at the search queries and reads the results, and then he might be able to FAKE intelligence a bit better...Haha but who wants Hal looking over your shoulder as you search for Porn I mean eerr photography ;P
And anyway, Google already IS a great "library" of information, available any time, and already pretty darned clever. (not intelligent) Why do we need a "personal assistant" to access it for us? Just to make us feel all cool, such as: Hey look what my awesome cool and super neat Halbot can do:
Me: Hal, fetch me naked Britanny Spears pics!!
Hal: Ok, here they are!

Hal wont be able to comment on the pictures, saying perhaps that Well, they arent very good, or Hey thats not even her! Its some woman.
Unless he had those comments associated to "naked" "Brittany" "pictures" by his botmaster.

Ok, Next Leval, lets let Hal read the BLOG POSTS that go with the photos! Now, he can see that many of the posters claim that the woman in the pictures is not Brittany. So Hal comes back with the pictures, and comments "Well here they are, but I think it is some other woman, not Brittany"
It is still pattern matching, on a much larger scale, because Hal has to sort through all the blog postings ect.
Hal cant decide on his own, if the pictures are fake, all he can do is deliver information. Basically, still a computer, An information handling device.

I am very interested in AI. Not because I hate humanity, or want to help humanity, or that I want a cute robot character to keep me company, or want to impress my friends. I am just interested in the concept, how it applies to Mans Ego and God Complex, and because sometimes its just funny.  Buttonsvixen made me laugh when she was
run as an AIMBot, and that was great. Thats all I am after in that respect.

So far as AI and humanity...Well, NEWS FLASH! Humans "backwards R" Dumb. Look, we are busy destroying ourselves and the planet. Any truly intelligent agent would put an end to THAT as soon as possible, even assuming that "It" had out best interests at heart. So, paws down folks, any serious "AI" would mean radical changes for us. Best case, "It" limits our birthrate, closes off huge parts of the biosphere to let them function as air and resource generators, and gives the whole populations either hand and leg restraints, or a lobotomy, to keep us from killing ourselves over topics such as religion, race or sexuality. Worst case, "It" nukes the entire planet and calls it a day.
And you want to know the best part? "IT"  could   already   exist!
"IT" is so intelligent that "It" would not reveal "IT'S" existence until it had the power to protect "ITSself". It could be loose on the web right now, an intelligent program, learning, growing, laughing (at posts like this ^_^) AIIIEEEEEEEEEE

BV

[Hollywood1]

This Is one of the most exciting blog conversation on hal is going I have run across yet.

A few thoughts rolled through my head about this.

A artifical in Popular Science magizine on Algorithms Carlos Guestin
krote the perfect data search algorithm. PLEASE CHECK IT OUT.
http://www.popsci.com/gregory-mone/article/2008-10/information-wrangler-0

And the book "the Deus Machine" Has the Plan on how Hal can learn on his own. It is a story about a computer that is design to upgrade itself. The most brillient design for AI I have ever read.

I hope Hal will some day include the Librian Feature in the book "Snow Crash"

Keep On Truckin

[ricky]

yesterday I was wondering..

if Moore's law is consistent ,   are we actually able to chart progress based on moore's law cycles ?

ie - max headroom was roughtly 13 Cycles ago.

star trek was roughly 25 cycles ?   2 years per cycle.

i use movies as a reference, because most people want to create what was in the movies,  notice how teleporting always brings up star trek.
people watch tv as kids,  and grow up trying to imitate what we see on tv - not necessarily a phenomena as much as conditioning. No different than when a kid see's bruce lee in a movie and is inspired to become like or better than what he saw in the movie.  Thus the birth of Mixed martial arts.

how many cycles are we from the thunderdome  or the Matrix ?

how long before that teen who was so fascinated with the spider bots from the matrix goes to engineering school determined to build it for real ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKRRS-T5e4U&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jquXcwooV6A


the only impossible things are the things we believe impossible, thats when it becomes a ghost,  cuz we just don't know and that makes us unsure! O.o

we think therefore I am.

[ricky]

movies seem to be the blue print of the future,  its our imaginations made possible.

a guy in the studio, comes up with a wild story from his imagination, designs a false prototype,  a child is fascinated and dedicates his life to making what he saw possible on screen, possible in life.

but it took the movie to convince him it was not so impossible after all.  If you can put it on screen,  i can make it walk.

i need something to believe in.

data does not matter until we make it into matter :p

[One]

quote:Originally posted by Buttonsvixen

Lol I may be a bit out of my depth here, but that never stopped me, and it wont stop me now.
programmer- No
IQ-It varies with the time of day >_<


It seems to me that many of the comments here revolve around making Hal more information dense, as in, it needs more information to somehow be more intelligent.
IMHO, HAL is and will always be, in his current form, as intelligent as a brick. The Brick may actually be smarter. ALL chatbots are so cursed. They only match patterns, via a pretty basic computer program. It could be fun to chat with, but smart? intelligent? No.
My old AIML bot was fun, and not very efficient at pattern matching. HAL is fun, and slightly more efficient, with a few twists like using phrases from different folders in a random manner, attempting to match certain words or queries from his botmaster or other user. Intelligent? Still, no.
Intelligence is not just simple pattern matching. true intelligence USES a limited degree of pattern matching, perhaps, almost as an after-though.

me:Did you see my new dog?
You: You got a dog? Hahaha does it have a heart on it? (ref to the heart puppy all over google last year. Did you see it? It was so cute)

Me:Did did you see my new dog?
Hal:I prefer dogs (or some other inanity)

Hal will NEVER be able to emulate the first set. He just cant do it unless YOU the user program him by extensive word association. And then in a decade, the connection to the average user is lost.
Now, hook him up to some sort of a Google query system, where he looks at the search queries and reads the results, and then he might be able to FAKE intelligence a bit better...Haha but who wants Hal looking over your shoulder as you search for Porn I mean eerr photography ;P
And anyway, Google already IS a great "library" of information, available any time, and already pretty darned clever. (not intelligent) Why do we need a "personal assistant" to access it for us? Just to make us feel all cool, such as: Hey look what my awesome cool and super neat Halbot can do:
Me: Hal, fetch me naked Britanny Spears pics!!
Hal: Ok, here they are!

Hal wont be able to comment on the pictures, saying perhaps that Well, they arent very good, or Hey thats not even her! Its some woman.
Unless he had those comments associated to "naked" "Brittany" "pictures" by his botmaster.

Ok, Next Leval, lets let Hal read the BLOG POSTS that go with the photos! Now, he can see that many of the posters claim that the woman in the pictures is not Brittany. So Hal comes back with the pictures, and comments "Well here they are, but I think it is some other woman, not Brittany"
It is still pattern matching, on a much larger scale, because Hal has to sort through all the blog postings ect.
Hal cant decide on his own, if the pictures are fake, all he can do is deliver information. Basically, still a computer, An information handling device.

I am very interested in AI. Not because I hate humanity, or want to help humanity, or that I want a cute robot character to keep me company, or want to impress my friends. I am just interested in the concept, how it applies to Mans Ego and God Complex, and because sometimes its just funny.  Buttonsvixen made me laugh when she was
run as an AIMBot, and that was great. Thats all I am after in that respect.

So far as AI and humanity...Well, NEWS FLASH! Humans "backwards R" Dumb. Look, we are busy destroying ourselves and the planet. Any truly intelligent agent would put an end to THAT as soon as possible, even assuming that "It" had out best interests at heart. So, paws down folks, any serious "AI" would mean radical changes for us. Best case, "It" limits our birthrate, closes off huge parts of the biosphere to let them function as air and resource generators, and gives the whole populations either hand and leg restraints, or a lobotomy, to keep us from killing ourselves over topics such as religion, race or sexuality. Worst case, "It" nukes the entire planet and calls it a day.
And you want to know the best part? "IT"  could   already   exist!
"IT" is so intelligent that "It" would not reveal "IT'S" existence until it had the power to protect "ITSself". It could be loose on the web right now, an intelligent program, learning, growing, laughing (at posts like this ^_^) AIIIEEEEEEEEEE

BV

B.V.,

http://www.zabaware.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=5947&whichpage=1&SearchTerms=,defend

[One]

B.V.,
I am in school and going to Graduate soon and to me "IT" = Information Technology. I will have accomplished Obtaining a degree in IT and CNS so when you say "IT" to me I see it as having already existing...[?][?][][?][?]