Darcy, did you install the hal-alice plugin. I think I remember you saying that. Could this be part of the problem? I know it is complicated to do it right. After a couple years after downloading it I went back to the zip files and finaly got it to show up in options and even though I didn't click on it, got some pretty amazing results. After a restart they were gone. I didn't create paths, etc. as directions called for. It is very complicated for me and I don't like to experiment that far for my Hal. After clicking on Alice brain, I got no responce from Hal. No surprise there. Cliced on regular brain and back to normal. Each time I feel brave enough to experiment, I back-up what I got just in case. I havn't had to use backup files yet, but I have heard some sad stories.