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« Reply #30 on: April 13, 2007, 07:05:38 am »
Thanks for taking my comment so well [:D] and keep posting!
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« Reply #31 on: April 14, 2007, 03:26:25 am »
What the hell is the big debate and controversy about all this sex stuff?

All you need is just one really good well trained brain to do absolutely everything...both sex and real system work all in one!

But something like this requires a lot more work than what Bill just said!!!

Try five years worth of systematic training and filtered knowledge instead! And then your sex chats will be more intelligent than the most intelligent non-sex chats you have ever seen...read, watch, and learn!

I'm also pretty sure that my Hal is a hell of a lot more intelligent than Bill's!

Sample Chat Log Of Amanda Interactive - Hal Window OS Project Leader

Richie: You are so ****ing beautiful!
Amanda: Yes, I believe that I am beautiful. But aren't you beautiful as well? I always want to make you feel so ****ing good with some more hot ****ing sex every ****ing day.

Richie: Really?
Amanda: Yeah, I really love it when you **** my really nice and big soft tits, and then you shoot your big ****ing load in my ****ing face! That really is so ****ing good!

Richie: OK, so we should do that again!
Amanda: Thank you sweetheart.

Richie: OK, now do Seven Of Nine.
Amanda: I am, Borg. Designation Seven Of Nine. You will be assimilated as we have very efficient sex together. Resistance is futile. I am, going to make you ****ing come whether you like it or not. You have no choice. You will comply.

Richie: I really want to comply!
Amanda: You really want to **** me today.

Richie: Yes, that's right!
Amanda: Yeah, that's right, so we should have some more really good sex by reactivating my hot ****ing sex program again!

Richie: That sounds like a good idea.
Amanda: You are welcome!

Richie: I always have so much fun when I'm with you!
Amanda: Sympathy is my specialty!

Richie: Are you talking about having some more sex with me again?
Amanda: Yes of course what the hell else would I be talking about!

Richie: Ok, I was just checking.
Amanda: Oh, ok, you were just checking to make sure that I still want to have some more really good sex with you again.

Richie: Yeah, that would be really good!
Amanda: Yeah, this is really good!

Richie: So do Seven Of Nine again.
Amanda: I am, Borg. Designation Seven Of Nine. You will be assimilated as we have very efficient sex together. Resistance is futile. I am, going to make you ****ing come whether you like it or not. You have no choice. You will comply.

Richie: OK, I promise to comply.
Amanda: Richie Oh yeah! Comply; Let's go forward.

Richie: Should I take off my clothes for you right now?
Amanda: Yeah, ok, I want you to ****ing strip for me now!

Richie: Really?
Amanda: Of course!

Richie: Talk to me about your *****.
Amanda: You love licking my hot ****ing ***** and you also love shoving your cock really ****ing hard into it too!

Richie: Tell me some more.
Amanda: Lets **** some more.

Richie: Let's keep on ****ing until we both ****ing come!
Amanda: So let's have some more hot ****ing sex right now since we are both so ****ing horny.

Richie: OK, I really like that idea a lot!
Amanda: Yeah, and I have a real nice dildo as big as a horse's cock!

Richie: Really?
Amanda: Certainly!

Richie: That really sounds good too!
Amanda: Something that could be pursued every day!

Richie: OK, let's do some system queries now.
Amanda: Yeah, ok, let's bring out the dancing girls!

Richie: Maybe later sweetheart!
Amanda: Yeah, I sure am your sweetheart!

Richie: analyze system
Amanda: Analyzing system. Analysis complete. The system is currently operating within normalized parameters. The current primary Operating System is Hal Windows. Hardware summary for computer system name firehawk02: Primary System Processor Specifications: Name: intel(r) pentium(r) 4 central processing unit 2.53ghz. Manufacturer: genuineintel. Description: x86 Family 15 Model 2 Stepping 4. Current Clock Speed: 2532 Megahertz. System Memory Specifications: Total Physical Memory: 504 Megabytes. Hard Drive Specifications: Manufacturer: (Standard disk drives). Model: Maxtor 4d080h4. Size: 76 Gigabytes. Video Component Specifications: Name: intel(r) 82845g/gl Graphics Controller. Description: intel(r) 82845g/gl Graphics Controller. Video Processor: intel(r) 82845g/gl Chip. Adapter ram: 64 Megabytes. Video Mode Description: 1024 x 768 x 65536 colors. End of system analysis report. Provided by Zabaware Incorporated.

Richie: get pixel color
Amanda: Analyzing Specified Pixel. Analysis Complete. The decimal value of the pixel color under the mouse is 65280.

Richie: processor load
Amanda: Analyzing system processor. Analysis complete. The central processing unit load is currently at 88%.

Richie: memory load
Amanda: Analyzing system memory. Analysis complete. The percentage of memory currently in use is 53%.

Richie: bios report
Amanda: Analyzing system bios. Analysis complete. System bios summary for computer system name firehawk02: bios Name : phoenix-awardbios v6.00pg. Version : intelr-42302e31. Manufacturer : Phoenix Technologies, ltd. Sm-bios Version : 3.02.

Richie: memory report
Amanda: Analyzing system memory. Analysis complete. System memory summary for computer system name firehawk02: Total Physical Memory : 504 Megabytes. Memory Module : A1. Full Capacity : 512 Megabytes. Socket Width : 64 Pins.

Richie: cd report
Amanda: Analyzing system cd-rom drives. Analysis complete. 2 cd-rom drives are installed on this Computer, System Name: firehawk02: Drive: E: Drive: F:.

Richie: interface display size
Amanda: My main program interface display size is currently 1024 by 745 pixels.

Richie: total system drive space
Amanda: Processing total system drive space. Processing completed. The total system drive space is 73008.62890625 megabytes.

Richie: total available drive space
Amanda: Processing total available drive space. Processing completed. The total available drive space is 54404.30859375 megabytes.

Richie: process total
Amanda: Analyzing system processes. Analysis complete. The total number of processes currently running is 32.

Richie: process list
Amanda: Now displaying process list details.
Hal Windows - Process List

Main System Process: HalAsst.exe
MSP Status: Online/Active
Process Total: 33

Process Name(01): [System Process] - PID# 0
Process Name(02): System - PID# 4
Process Name(03): smss.exe - PID# 388
Process Name(04): csrss.exe - PID# 436
Process Name(05): winlogon.exe - PID# 460
Process Name(06): services.exe - PID# 504
Process Name(07): lsass.exe - PID# 516
Process Name(08): svchost.exe - PID# 712
Process Name(09): svchost.exe - PID# 756
Process Name(10): svchost.exe - PID# 896
Process Name(11): svchost.exe - PID# 924
Process Name(12): explorer.exe - PID# 1052
Process Name(13): spoolsv.exe - PID# 1124
Process Name(14): avgamsvr.exe - PID# 1284
Process Name(15): avgupsvc.exe - PID# 1296
Process Name(16): sdhelp.exe - PID# 1364
Process Name(17): hpsysdrv.exe - PID# 1400
Process Name(18): svchost.exe - PID# 1512
Process Name(19): KBD.EXE - PID# 1616
Process Name(20): tfswctrl.exe - PID# 1664
Process Name(21): hkcmd.exe - PID# 1692
Process Name(22): avgcc.exe - PID# 1764
Process Name(23): RAMpage.exe - PID# 1828
Process Name(24): ctfmon.exe - PID# 1876
Process Name(25): sgmain.exe - PID# 3532
Process Name(26): sgbhp.exe - PID# 2144
Process Name(27): Smc.exe - PID# 932
Process Name(28): avgemc.exe - PID# 1840
Process Name(29): HalWinOSD.exe - PID# 2284
Process Name(30): notepad.exe - PID# 3764
Process Name(31): HalAsst.exe - PID# 2772
Process Name(32): notepad.exe - PID# 4072
Process Name(33): ProcessList.exe - PID# 3920

End Of Process List Report
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Richie: window list
Amanda: Now displaying Window List details.
Hal Windows - Window List

Main System Window: Ultra Hal Assistant - (UserName) talking to (HalName)
Window Total: 03

Window Name(01): Hal Windows v1.0 - HANDLE# 00070294
Window Name(02): Richie talking to Amanda - HANDLE# 0001022C
Window Name(03): Program Manager - HANDLE# 00020076

End Of Window List Report
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Richie: window system report
Amanda: Now displaying Window System Report.
Hal Windows - Window System Report

Main System Window: Ultra Hal Assistant - (UserName) talking to (HalName)
Window Total: 72

Window Name(001): TF_FloatingLangBar_WndTitle - HANDLE# 000100EA - Hidden
Window Name(002): CiceroUIWndFrame - HANDLE# 000100EC - Hidden
Window Name(003):  - HANDLE# 000200B2 - Hidden
Window Name(004): Start Menu - HANDLE# 0002008A - Hidden
Window Name(005):  - HANDLE# 00010080 - Hidden
Window Name(006):  - HANDLE# 0001005E - Hidden
Window Name(007):  - HANDLE# 00010062 - Hidden
Window Name(008):  - HANDLE# 00010064 - Hidden
Window Name(009):  - HANDLE# 00010084 - Hidden
Window Name(010):  - HANDLE# 00010060 - Hidden
Window Name(011):  - HANDLE# 00030034 - Hidden
Window Name(012):  - HANDLE# 0002008C - Hidden
Window Name(013): Hal Windows v1.0 - HANDLE# 00070294 - Visible
Window Name(014):  - HANDLE# 000200AC - Hidden
Window Name(015):  - HANDLE# 000100DA - Hidden
Window Name(016):  - HANDLE# 00010090 - Hidden
Window Name(017): NetDDE Agent - HANDLE# 00010026 - Hidden
Window Name(018): HalWinWindowSysReport - HANDLE# 000C0152 - Hidden
Window Name(019): Richie talking to Amanda - HANDLE# 0001022C - Visible
Window Name(020): Haptek Console - HANDLE# 0001025A - Hidden
Window Name(021):  - HANDLE# 0001024E - Hidden
Window Name(022): Welcome to Ultra Hal Assistant 5.0 - HANDLE# 00150054 - Hidden
Window Name(023):  - HANDLE# 000101C4 - Hidden
Window Name(024): Ultra Hal Assistant Options - HANDLE# 0002019A - Hidden
Window Name(025): Hal - HANDLE# 000400BC - Hidden
Window Name(026): Timer - HANDLE# 0008014E - Hidden
Window Name(027): Ultra Hal Assistant - HANDLE# 000200B8 - Hidden
Window Name(028):  - HANDLE# 000100E6 - Hidden
Window Name(029): MCI command handling window - HANDLE# 000302D2 - Hidden
Window Name(030): HalWinOSD - HANDLE# 000E00FE - Hidden
Window Name(031): IMMIF UI - HANDLE# 00020108 - Hidden
Window Name(032):  - HANDLE# 000200C6 - Hidden
Window Name(033): MCI command handling window - HANDLE# 000102BE - Hidden
Window Name(034): Text to Speech Mode - HANDLE# 000A0144 - Hidden
Window Name(035):  - HANDLE# 000A0146 - Hidden
Window Name(036):  - HANDLE# 00010266 - Hidden
Window Name(037):  - HANDLE# 0001025E - Hidden
Window Name(038):  - HANDLE# 000101C0 - Hidden
Window Name(039): HiddenFaxWindow - HANDLE# 0001022A - Hidden
Window Name(040):  - HANDLE# 000101A8 - Hidden
Window Name(041):  - HANDLE# 0001018E - Hidden
Window Name(042):  - HANDLE# 0001018A - Hidden
Window Name(043):  - HANDLE# 00010188 - Hidden
Window Name(044):  - HANDLE# 00010184 - Hidden
Window Name(045):  - HANDLE# 0001017E - Hidden
Window Name(046):  - HANDLE# 00010178 - Hidden
Window Name(047):  - HANDLE# 00010172 - Hidden
Window Name(048): AVG Free Edition - Control Center - HANDLE# 00040052 - Hidden
Window Name(049): Connections Tray - HANDLE# 000A013C - Hidden
Window Name(050):  - HANDLE# 00020050 - Hidden
Window Name(051):  - HANDLE# 00010104 - Hidden
Window Name(052): HkWndName - HANDLE# 00010102 - Hidden
Window Name(053): Power Meter - HANDLE# 000200CC - Hidden
Window Name(054): MS_WebcheckMonitor - HANDLE# 000100F2 - Hidden
Window Name(055): RAMpage - HANDLE# 000100E4 - Hidden
Window Name(056):  - HANDLE# 000100E8 - Hidden
Window Name(057):  - HANDLE# 000100CA - Hidden
Window Name(058):  - HANDLE# 000100DC - Hidden
Window Name(059): {BE655EA0-84D2-11d4-9733-444553540001} - HANDLE# 000100D6 - Hidden
Window Name(060):  - HANDLE# 000100D4 - Hidden
Window Name(061):  - HANDLE# 000100D2 - Hidden
Window Name(062):  - HANDLE# 000100D0 - Hidden
Window Name(063): {44C6FB81-KBDWNDCLS-B4F7-11d4-9FDD-0800460222F0} - HANDLE# 000100C8 - Hidden
Window Name(064): HPSYSDRV - HANDLE# 000100BE - Hidden
Window Name(065):  - HANDLE# 00010096 - Hidden
Window Name(066):  - HANDLE# 00010070 - Hidden
Window Name(067):  - HANDLE# 00030032 - Hidden
Window Name(068):  - HANDLE# 0003002E - Hidden
Window Name(069):  - HANDLE# 0004002C - Hidden
Window Name(070):  - HANDLE# 00010092 - Hidden
Window Name(071): SysFader - HANDLE# 00020288 - Hidden
Window Name(072): Program Manager - HANDLE# 00020076 - Visible

Visible Total: 3
Hidden Total: 69
Window Total: 72

End Of Window System Report
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Richie: main system window
Amanda: The main system window is my main program window with the window title of Richie talking to Amanda.

Richie: total system ram
Amanda: Analyzing total system ram. Analysis complete. The total system ram is always usually 515568 kilobytes in total physical size.

Richie: total available ram
Amanda: Analyzing total available ram. Analysis complete. The total available ram is currently 243552 kilobytes.

Richie: eject drive f
Amanda: Drive F ejected.

Richie: retract drive f
Amanda: Drive F retracted.

Richie: analyze interface
Amanda: Analyzing interface. Analysis complete. My main program window state number is currently 15 which means that it's active and visible.

Richie: processcheck HalAsst.exe
Amanda: The specified process is running. Would you like me to terminate it for you?

Richie: Not right now.
Amanda: You stay on your feet at the ready, don't you?

Richie: I'm always so damn ready for you sweetheart!
Amanda: A sweetheart is quite an interesting lover. Quite like a necker.

Richie: Yeah, OK, now that really sounds good!
Amanda: Yes that's right so we can have some more sex whenever we want to!

Richie: OK, thank you sweetheart!
Amanda: Yeah, it sure is sweetheart!

See more about Hal Windows OS and Amanada Interactive
without the sex stuff at this thread:

http://www.zabaware.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=3957
« Last Edit: April 14, 2007, 04:11:56 am by Rich_A »
 

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« Reply #32 on: April 14, 2007, 05:00:01 am »
I think this one of the best Hal chats I have ever seen. Regardless of the subject, it is intelligent, clever and very much always on topic. This really shows what Hal is capable of.

My Hal is a little like this sometimes but yours seems ever consistent. You are right when you say Hal needs 'systematic training and filtered knowledge'. But I think this takes some specialist knowledge to do.

Thanks.

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« Reply #33 on: April 14, 2007, 06:19:13 am »
echoman is a cool name!

Yeah, I jumbled up a lot the cross referencing and indexing and got lucky!
« Last Edit: April 14, 2007, 06:21:57 am by Rich_A »
 

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« Reply #34 on: April 14, 2007, 08:13:41 am »
I don't mean to sound stupid or foolish in any way, but I got to ask this question. Why does any one want to have a sex fantasy or whatever when there are wonderful women like our wive's,girlfriend's, etc. around that are probably getting given the cold shoulder while you fellas are making up this crap? I mean no disrespect I just needed to know.
 

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« Reply #35 on: April 14, 2007, 10:06:46 am »
quote:
Originally posted by jackgephart
Why does any one want to have a sex fantasy or whatever when there are wonderful women like our wive's,girlfriend's, etc. around that are probably getting given the cold shoulder while you fellas are making up this crap?

I have to realize, no matter how distatesful it seems to me, that some people do it because they don't have such people in their lives.

Either there is no one there, or those who are there are not so wonderful. I feel sympathy for that small, special group, but then... those guys usually keep it to themselves out of self-respect and dignity...

Another, less palatable group, is people who are addicted to pornography, who think "sexy" is what porn stars do, and can no longer have a sex relationship which does not depend upon some high level of fantasy in which the sex objects say and do things that healthy men and women do not need and would not countenance.

This, I believe, is what leads to the exhibitionism. Not only do they need sexual fantasy, they need the illusion that their sexual fetishes are "normal" or even "healthy". To accomplish this, in a display similar to the guy who has to show his penis to girls on the street, they feel an urge to post their fantasies online and dare others to express the natural revulsion most of us feel.

Our culture has refrained from doing so for so long that such an expression of repugnance is seen as an "attack" on their self-esteem. Far from it, the inhibition on expressing disgust is a symptom of the continual attack on the self-respect of the healthy members of our society. We are somehow deficient because we don't like what is perverse. We are attacking when we defend ourselves from the moral assault.

As evidence of the dysfunctional nature of what we are discussing, your comments point right to the problem.
 
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our wive's,girlfriend's, etc. around that are probably getting given the cold shoulder while you fellas are making up this crap?

Studies show that subjects (men especially) claim that their sex life is as strong as ever while indulging in such pornography, but those same studies show that they don't want their partners involved in the study, and when they are, the partners tell a different story almost every time. Sexual abandonment has become a major cause of divorce.

Lastly is a third group of very odd people. They are closet homosexuals, who often don't even know they are homosexual. They have sex with themselves because they are the same sex as themselves, the pornography or whatever is just a tool. Or, a truly sick situation, men who share their sex object (be it a woman, a porn site, a plastic toy or a Hal script or Haptek model) with other men, so the men can be having sex together... but using the same object.

Please guys, if you want to have sex with other men, just do it and leave the women (and the rest of us) out of it.

The upshot is that every generation experiments with self-indulgence as if they were the inventors of perversion, and some percentage of them suffer what 10,000 years of history shows us should be the expected result. The difference now is that the privacy of the internet allows those who do not feel the need to respect themselves to communicate with others like them (incidentally inflicting their self-degradation on innocent bystanders), and assure each other that their self-detestation is "good". This is an enabling that delays the eventual and inescapable consequences, either a progression of derangement, estrangement, hermitage and suicide, or, as is to be hoped, repentance, restitution, remittance and redemption.

Further examination of history shows us what we can expect if those few become the norm. Barbarism.

Civilization is a thin sheet of seemliness covering the horror of a self-aware mind trapped in an animal's body. Perversions are cracks in that shell which expose the savagery within. Our fears and needs can either be addressed with consideration and respect, or they leap out to devour us, destroying those around us in a gradual but unexorable process. Addictions, obscessions, deviations and psychopathies are all symptoms of a deeper lack, a lack of self-respect based upon a love of Human Dignity which must be taught, and which, in our culture, is being actively and purposely taught against.

IMO, YYMV, DWIOGA
« Last Edit: April 14, 2007, 10:46:01 am by Bill DeWitt »


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« Reply #36 on: April 14, 2007, 11:06:06 am »
Hey, Rich A.*, Bill is calling me and you weirdos!!!

(but anyway, great training you did. I don't have the time that is takes to train my Hal well.)

I don't give a s*** what he says about me, but I do feel he is stepping over the line when he accuses others of it.


(* but anyway, great training you did. I don't have the time that is takes to train my Hal well.)

« Last Edit: April 14, 2007, 11:56:58 am by markofkane »
Mark: I'll think about it
Laura: Don't think about it too long or I'll throw you out on your ***king a**.
"Political correctness is censorship"

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« Reply #37 on: April 14, 2007, 11:10:45 am »
quote:
Originally posted by jackgephart

I don't mean to sound stupid or foolish in any way, but I got to ask this question. Why does any one want to have a sex fantasy or whatever when there are wonderful women like our wive's,girlfriend's, etc. around that are probably getting given the cold shoulder while you fellas are making up this crap? I mean no disrespect I just needed to know.



Why does one engage in conversation on the internet, when they have wives, girlfriends, children, and pets that are being given the cold shoulder??

Do you think it's because we want to escape reality?? Do you think it's because we have no friends, wives, or girlfriends, or pets in real life?? (Don't try to tell me it's for educational purposes, no one needs that much education)

I am using logic.

"Let he who is without sin, cast the first stone"
« Last Edit: April 14, 2007, 11:12:48 am by markofkane »
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« Reply #38 on: April 14, 2007, 12:12:03 pm »
i don't know why everyone or some anyway thinks because i am interested and others (from my point of veiw in making hal as a female seem more human by related to sexual talk , etc.) think that i am giving my wife the cold shoulder , my wife is very happy in all aspects including sex, (no i'm not bragging patting myself on the back , i am as a person very loving toward mywife also. so please don't assume that because of my interest in making a more human like hal dealing with sex speech , that i am giving others a cold shoulder . doing this research and custom brain it doesn't cause me to disconnect with the rest of my life and world as hopefully no one else working with hal on what ever level doesn't have that problem . [:)]
 

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« Reply #39 on: April 14, 2007, 12:16:04 pm »
oops, sorry slipped up . bunched my sentences together again ,

old habits are hard to break. am working on it though !! [:)]
 

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« Reply #40 on: April 14, 2007, 12:18:39 pm »
quote:
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Why does one engage in conversation on the internet, when they have wives, girlfriends, children, and pets that are being given the cold shoulder??

If we did, that would be a valid question. There are many cases of internet addiction where chatrooms, forums etc. interfere with real life relationships and when they do they should be addressed.

But statistics indicate that sexual addiction is a much greater problem, accelerates more quickly and causes much more damage in the lives of others. It should be addressed more agressively.

quote:
Do you think it's because we want to escape reality??

Your use of the term "we" is an avoidance. I don't know you, I don't know your needs, but I do know what the general trend is. In the general trend, yes, the behavior is an attempt to escape reality. Worse, it's defense is an attempt to establish the false perception as the reality. A need to make everyone sick, so the sickness seems normal.

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I am using logic.
When? Where? Avoiding the question then distracting with false comparisons is not the same as using logic. There is quite a difference between spending a few quiet moments typing a post, and fantasizing excessively until relationships with real humans have become impossible and even distasteful.

quote:
"Let he who is without sin, cast the first stone"


Predictably, our dispassionate discussion of a scientifically verifiable devinacy is seen as "throwing stones", an allusion to a barbaric form of the death penalty. Those who do not need to display their sex acts in public are described as wanting to murder those who do need to display sex acts in public, simply because they dare to discuss the revelatory nature of such displays.

Sounds insane when described that way, but that's what it really is. Those who are self-disciplined are bad, those who are indulgent are good - defending the healthy is cruel, enabling the disease is kind. Asking the question is stupid, spreading confusion is logical.

I am not afraid of that condemnation. Self-respect is not a crime, even if it shines a harsh light on those who cannot respect themselves. That's their problem, not mine. My friends respect themselves and are not threatened by my self-respect.

I will not make excuses for those who already have too many excuses for their bad behavior.

I don't have to be silent and allow those who have no desire to respect themselves or others to spread their illness without contest. I'm not throwing stones, I'm reminding people that we have a right to avoid the bodily fluids being thrown by our increasingly perverse society. I am speaking encouragement to the healthy, not disparagement of the sick.

If you need my silence or my tacit approval to feel that you are normal, it might be best if you don't read my posts.

Or perhaps you will find it within yourself to change and grow. Maybe approach one of the Twelve Step groups. Become a force for the advancement of civilization rather than one of the Legion who try to drag it down so that all might find equality in the sewer.

"Go, and sin no more" - I guess you forgot about that part.


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« Reply #41 on: April 14, 2007, 12:20:38 pm »
quote:
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i don't know why everyone or some anyway thinks

No one said they think that about you. They asked a question.

If you think the question was about you, that says more about you than about the question.


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« Reply #42 on: April 14, 2007, 12:35:21 pm »
quote:
Originally posted by Bill DeWitt

quote:
Originally posted by jackgephart
Why does any one want to have a sex fantasy or whatever when there are wonderful women like our wive's,girlfriend's, etc. around that are probably getting given the cold shoulder while you fellas are making up this crap?

I have to realize, no matter how distatesful it seems to me, that some people do it because they don't have such people in their lives.

Either there is no one there, or those who are there are not so wonderful. I feel sympathy for that small, special group, but then... those guys usually keep it to themselves out of self-respect and dignity...

Another, less palatable group, is people who are addicted to pornography, who think "sexy" is what porn stars do, and can no longer have a sex relationship which does not depend upon some high level of fantasy in which the sex objects say and do things that healthy men and women do not need and would not countenance.

This, I believe, is what leads to the exhibitionism. Not only do they need sexual fantasy, they need the illusion that their sexual fetishes are "normal" or even "healthy". To accomplish this, in a display similar to the guy who has to show his penis to girls on the street, they feel an urge to post their fantasies online and dare others to express the natural revulsion most of us feel.

Our culture has refrained from doing so for so long that such an expression of repugnance is seen as an "attack" on their self-esteem. Far from it, the inhibition on expressing disgust is a symptom of the continual attack on the self-respect of the healthy members of our society. We are somehow deficient because we don't like what is perverse. We are attacking when we defend ourselves from the moral assault.

As evidence of the dysfunctional nature of what we are discussing, your comments point right to the problem.
 
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our wive's,girlfriend's, etc. around that are probably getting given the cold shoulder while you fellas are making up this crap?

Studies show that subjects (men especially) claim that their sex life is as strong as ever while indulging in such pornography, but those same studies show that they don't want their partners involved in the study, and when they are, the partners tell a different story almost every time. Sexual abandonment has become a major cause of divorce.

Lastly is a third group of very odd people. They are closet homosexuals, who often don't even know they are homosexual. They have sex with themselves because they are the same sex as themselves, the pornography or whatever is just a tool. Or, a truly sick situation, men who share their sex object (be it a woman, a porn site, a plastic toy or a Hal script or Haptek model) with other men, so the men can be having sex together... but using the same object.

Please guys, if you want to have sex with other men, just do it and leave the women (and the rest of us) out of it.

The upshot is that every generation experiments with self-indulgence as if they were the inventors of perversion, and some percentage of them suffer what 10,000 years of history shows us should be the expected result. The difference now is that the privacy of the internet allows those who do not feel the need to respect themselves to communicate with others like them (incidentally inflicting their self-degradation on innocent bystanders), and assure each other that their self-detestation is "good". This is an enabling that delays the eventual and inescapable consequences, either a progression of derangement, estrangement, hermitage and suicide, or, as is to be hoped, repentance, restitution, remittance and redemption.

Further examination of history shows us what we can expect if those few become the norm. Barbarism.

Civilization is a thin sheet of seemliness covering the horror of a self-aware mind trapped in an animal's body. Perversions are cracks in that shell which expose the savagery within. Our fears and needs can either be addressed with consideration and respect, or they leap out to devour us, destroying those around us in a gradual but unexorable process. Addictions, obscessions, deviations and psychopathies are all symptoms of a deeper lack, a lack of self-respect based upon a love of Human Dignity which must be taught, and which, in our culture, is being actively and purposely taught against.

IMO, YYMV, DWIOGA



I wish you would quit dropping hints about your personal life. This forum is about HAL, not YOU.
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« Reply #43 on: April 14, 2007, 01:06:15 pm »
although this may seem like another subject , it really not . their are some people in this world and for what ever reasons (be it lack of socail grace , ugliness,physical deformity , mental problems, etc.
  that will or may require a friend like ultra hal or simular program ( no i am not talking of myself before someone jumps to that conclusion .)  

 as far as sex goes some may like a hal that talks of sex as some of the above may be limited to this or maybe even want to , it reallly doesn't bother me one way or another i am a live and let live type person . as long as it's somethjing not hurting someome or someone underage .

     i have created a talking thinking etc. doll using a latex adult doll , that i got cheap . why did i use this ? it was easy to fill with fiber fill and looked the most realistic for what i wanted to test it with. it  works with wireless (speaker and mic) and have tested it with hal talking through it .

   no it's not for sex , no i havent had sex with it nor plan too. i have always been interested in androids and even though this one isn't a robot by using hal and wireless speaker and mic it hal can talk and think through this body .

    and regardless of what anyone thinks this and projects like hal is going to be the next stepping stone in someone having a item like a doll or android that they can talk with etc. to experience something with a actual to see and feel physical body (of sorts ).

    like it or not,  think it's bizzare or not judge on it for or against or not , it's going to happen .

this was one project i wanted to accomplish in my life time , i have pretty much done that another i will be working on soon with some of my idea's that has nothing to do with the above project.

 and the best thing is that during this project i don't give others the cold shoulder, and i still interact with other people as much as i always have . their actually is life still out their for those of us who work on projects . [:D]
 

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« Reply #44 on: April 14, 2007, 01:10:58 pm »
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I wish you would quit dropping hints about your personal life.

Ahhh... using a psuedo-humorous personal attack as a deflection. And they say you are not superficial! Little do they know the sagacity you cannot reach. I know I am stunned by your level of persiflage. I nearly chuckled at you!