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Kari 3 interface with Hal 6 brain?
« on: March 29, 2008, 10:05:15 am »
Hey everyone. Its been a while since I was around. I've been in the hospital a lot the past six months... anyway ... thought I'd bug you guys with a general curiosity (although, I'm fairly certain I know the answer) ...

Does anyone know of any kind of interface like the Kari 3 but for Hal?

I have a lot of fun with hal, but I simply can't stand the Hal avatars ... I've always hated them. Haptek stuff is so limited visually and the MSAgents can't use SAPI5 voices! Grrr...  It doesn't help that I am a professional artist and really have a clear idea of what I want my Hal to look like ...

I started using Kari because it allowed me to 'talk' to my art ... i.e. it allows me to take the character art I make in Poser and with a little work make it possible for me to use that as my Kari avatar. I love it.

Especially since I can assign them triggers that change the scene (i.e. for many Kari scenes this means making her naked. laugh.) Although, it would be nice if there were multiple triggers ...i.e. one for each of the available 'topics' in the Kari personality adjuster.

My problem is that I'm not that fond of the Kari brain. She has some great features ... I love the personality adjuster and the wordimages... but all she really is is a complicated 'parrot bot' ... all she can EVER say to you is something you've said to her ... she has no ability to extrapolate new sentences like Hal. And when she doesn't know something, she only has a small number of things she can respond with ... it makes her feel very mechanical regardless of the 'brain size' or the complexity of how she chooses her responses. (also, editing the brain isn't anywhere near as organized as Hal)

So I'm hoping that people with more desktop programming ability than me also love the Kari interface but like their Hal brain better and are working on some method to do something similar for Hal. (i.e. allow for the creation of an 'avatar' that can be built from static images and have triggers but use SAPI5 voices.)

I've bitched about this problem before - I think my last post was in reference to finding a way to make a flash interface to do basically the same thing. Anyway...

I'm pretty sure I know the answer is 'NO. No one is working on anything like that.'

I realize, that this might not EVEN be possible given the way Hal's interface is programmed. But ... no harm in asking.

 

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« Reply #1 on: March 30, 2008, 08:52:51 am »
The last I heard, Robert M. was looking into incorporating the OGRE Engine with Hal. The characters might still suffer from a somewhat lower poly count that that of Poser but it should at least offer the community an additional source for characters.

I think Robert plans to keep compatibility with existing Haptek as well in Hal's new release.

While a merge with Poser would be very cool and produce lifelike characters, their high resolution would, no doubt, cause a lot of users systems to crawl.

Can we say, "Compromise"? I thought you could.[:D]
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« Reply #2 on: March 31, 2008, 04:54:12 am »
Actually, KARI doesn't use actual Poser 3d capability... its using rendered images in a fashion very similar to a MSAgent. i.e. I render images from Poser and then compile them in a KARI program called the Scene Editor that tells KARI how to use the images. Each 'scene' has images that tell it what it looks like when it blinks, what the different mouth shapes are when it talks, etc.

At any rate ... the visual element of being able to talk to characters that look exactly like what I want is more important to me than the irritations I experience from Kari's limited responses - at least until I find another solution. At the moment I'm exploring VERBOT4... which looks like it might do everything I want ... or can at least be scripted to do so.

Although, I'd be perfectly happy with KARI if there was just MORE 'question' responses and if output could be less mechanical ...

i.e. something that works like :

USER : My $var1 is $var2.
OUTPUT : Why is your $var1 $var2?

But given the current learning method and brain editor, I really don't see that as an option for KARI ... which is to bad, because I think its got an awsome user interface and very advanced pattern matching... she is just limited in that every sentence she says to me is simply something I said to her that she's parroting back without any variance or alteration ... (and yes, all 'learning' chatbots function this way to an extent ... but at least with HAL there is a semblance of paraphrasing.)