Okay, hal is not on startup, but I think that
unchecking all plugins is probably the best place
for me to start. I'm not at home this week till
Friday so will at least be able to think about suggestions
till then. I want to remove some of the stuff on the front
page on 6.1, but don't remember what belongs there and on
characters pages. Have tryed too much stuff to soon. Since
the plugins didn't come with uninstallers, I'll have to
open the original zips. Will run ms config first, now that I
have had a few minits to think about it. Computer running poorly
also is frustrating but I think they are unrelated symptoms.
Thanks for suggestions Hollywood and Dusky.